Is it fair to blame the CCP for the destruction of religion in China?

[awaken]

8 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

@awaken I downloaded that paper with great excitement because one of my interests is Ancient Egypt but as it is written in Chinese the argument is lost to me - except the section which seems to attempt to show Chinese characters deriving from hieroglyphs.  Can you summarise the theory or link to something in English which explains it?

 

Thanks.

 

It’s not easy, because he wrote more than 400,000 words, which is too much content
I read the previous part carefully, but I just flipped through the latter part
I think his evidence is very strong, and I fully accept his statement at present
That is, the Xia Dynasty is ancient Egypt

 

https://baike.baidu.hk/item/發現夏朝：從文字演變和文獻記載實證華夏文明起源/22415437

 

There is a Chinese catalog here, you can use Google to translate it

 

https://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1783503983

 

This is his blog.

 

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/jHubWd79ZRqIhMQHJ12Hng

 

You can use Chrome to translate.

Edited December 30, 2022 by awaken

[Chang dao ling]

4 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

You know what？The size of this group is so big and anti-CCP.

You basically supporting human rights violation! Think just doing something they like but government don't like than you go to Jail. In Jail they get brainwashed tortured no matter how you see this complete violations of human rights 

[ChiDragon]

3 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

You basically supporting human rights violation! Think just doing something they like but government don't like than you go to Jail. In Jail they get brainwashed tortured no matter how you see this complete violations of human rights 

Actually, there are lot more stories behind this. One must know how the thing started from the begin to the end. What happened was that a practitioner of Falun gong when to a park(北海公園) in Beijing; and saw a big space. He thought that was a good place to practice for  Falun gong. Therefore, he made one phone call and about 10,000 or more people showed up. The group has such assembly power, immediately brought the attention of the government. They were ask to disperse and ran into conflict with the government. A few arrest was made. Later, the Falun gong group protested to ask the government to release those who were arrested.

Selling human organs is another story. It was done by a corrupted official behind the CCP. Later the group was arrested and convicted.薄熙来, Bo Xilai, is the guy who was behind all this. He even tried to over throw the government but failed. This news was never exposed to the world.

Edited December 30, 2022 by ChiDragon

[Cobie]

Then there are the Uyghurs Muslims. I only know what I read online, so may not be true.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights 
 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Cobie

[ChiDragon]

31 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Then there are the Uyghurs Muslims. I only know what I read online, so may not be true.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights 
 

 

I believe those camps were used to detain a group of rebellions.  There were disturbing the peace in that region. Even the peaceful citizen were disgusted with them. After that group was eliminated, Xinjiang becomes a prosperous region. The population have increased and farm lands are put into good use to grow crops. Especially, people have good incomes from growing cotton.  

[Wilhelm]

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

I believe those camps were used to detain a group of rebellions.  There were disturbing the peace in that region. Even the peaceful citizen were disgusted with them. After that group was eliminated, Xinjiang becomes a prosperous region. The population have increased and farm lands are put into good use to grow crops. Especially, people have good incomes from growing cotton.  

I'm going to guess that this particular point of view can only be found on Chinese internet/pro-CCP media

[Wu Ming Jen]

Wow What a crazy thread, After Moa Zedong died china started to repair what was destroyed with traditional culture, martial arts and religion. Currently the government supports and lays down money on the infrastructure of temples, entertainment with movies, tv shows all celebrating their heritage.

 

Falun gong gets into the mix, they made the worst mistake of all times by being political and suffers their fate. Westerners are the first to rally for Falun gong making it out to be government suppression when in fact it is anti social, tearing families apart, going against the Tao.

 

The cultural revolution was a horrible thing for the Chinese people, Families  lost everything to that kind of communist government. The country suffered, dropped out of the stock market and became very poor. After Mao died for the country to get around economic loss they set up regions in China that could legally trade and profit with the rest of the world.

 

The economic, social growth and conditions of current China is staggering,  It is projected that China will over take America as the leading financial force on the planet. Look at the charts comparing countries on a time line

 

Nationalist government is a much different system then Mao's communism. The proof is incredible obvious to the entire world.

 

[awaken]

I have also taught Xinjiang people
She told me that the gates of the small courtyards in her community are usually locked, because there are a lot of violence outside, and she rarely goes out
Because I wanted her to go out to practice spontaneous exercises, she told me that the security there is not good, and it is not convenient to go out, so she can only practice in the small courtyard of the community.
I taught her about a few years after 2015

 

我也曾經教過新疆人
她跟我說她們社區的小院大門平常都是上鎖的，因為外面有很多暴力行為，平常很少出門
因為我要她出門練自發功，她才告訴我她那裡治安不好，不方便出門，只能在社區小院子裡面練
我教她的時間大約是2015年之後的幾年

 

[ChiDragon]

8 hours ago, Wilhelm said:

I'm going to guess that this particular point of view can only be found on Chinese internet/pro-CCP media

Let's say I am having the advantage of being bilingual which allow me to go into both sides of the story. It gives me the opportunity to come up with a non-bias conclusion. FYI Once I was against the CCP by the western propaganda. Since China have being developed and got out of poverty, I have a different point of view about China. I see the badness is gone the goodness is surfacing.

Right now, the CCP have no time to screw around with internal politics, they are too busy making China a better country for the people. Their motto is "為人民服務(serving the people.)"
 

I am just telling it like it is. Please don't prejudge me. Thank you very much!

Edited December 31, 2022 by ChiDragon

[doc benway]

8 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

Let's say I am having the advantage of being bilingual which allow me to go into both sides of the story. It gives me the opportunity to come up with a non-bias conclusion.

 

While being bilingual can be a big advantage, it does not mean your conclusions are unbiased. Everyone is biased.

 

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FYI Once I was against the CCP by the western propaganda. Since China have being developed and got out of poverty, I have a different point of view about China. I see the badness is gone the goodness is surfacing.

 

It’s wonderful that your point of view has shifted. Flexibility is valuable, both physically and mentally.

 

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Right now, the CCP have no time to screw around with internal politics, they are too busy making China a better country for the people. Their motto is "為人民服務(serving the people.)"
 

 

In my experience, politicians always have time for politics - internal and external, it’s what they do. Mottos are cheap and rarely more than propaganda. What counts is whether or not actions reflect those noble words. I hope you are correct and the CCP is becoming more and more caring towards the people. Certainly that is not the case in the US where I live. It seems we are going the opposite direction here.

 

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I am just telling it like it is. Please don't prejudge me. Thank you very much!

 

You are telling it as you see it, not as it is. Different people will see it differently and each perspective is unique and valid, IMO. I am not judging you but hopefully pointing out that your perspective is not the only one that has validity.

[forestofclarity]

10 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

Right now, the CCP have no time to screw around with internal politics, they are too busy making China a better country for the people. Their motto is "為人民服務(serving the people.)"

 

Try talking to a Tibetan, Or an Uyghar. 

[Wilhelm]

10 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

I am just telling it like it is. Please don't prejudge me. Thank you very much!

Ok.  I appreciate that I phrased my statement in a way that many implications could be drawn, but as I don't have firm knowledge of the matter (though I will say I have the opposite opinion of yours) my point was that the point of view you're sharing seems to only exist through pro-CCP media.  If you've taken the requisite steps to weigh this against alternative sources of information as well as your own bias then at least your opinion is informed.  Considering the sensitivity of the topic I don't think I have anything else to say about it.

[ChiDragon]

59 minutes ago, forestofemptiness said:

 

Try talking to a Tibetan, Or an Uyghar. 

People do have their own feelings. As long no one tries to detach oneself from the mother land, everything is going to be fine. Otherwise, one is asking for trouble.

Edited December 31, 2022 by ChiDragon

[ChiDragon]

22 hours ago, Cobie said:

Then there are the Uyghurs Muslims. I only know what I read online, so may not be true.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights 
 

 

So, it may not be true. However, if people have read it will believe it is true. That is the power of propaganda.

P.S.
Like they said, people are bias!

Edited December 31, 2022 by ChiDragon

[awaken]

 

This is a handsome Tibetan young man who sang the New Year's Eve party last night

 

 

 

 

 

透過這個年輕藏族人可以看到不少藏族人的生活

 

Through this young Tibetan, we can see the lives of many Tibetans

Edited January 1, 2023 by awaken

[Sahaja]

This dialogue has made me curious whether Dao Bums can be accessed online in China (without an VPN). 

Edited January 2, 2023 by Sahaja
Corrected wrong term

[awaken]

2 hours ago, Sahaja said:

This dialogue has made me curious whether Dao Bums can be accessed online in China (without an VPN). 

 

They can.

[Gerard]

On 31/12/2022 at 6:40 PM, ChiDragon said:

Right now, the CCP have no time to screw around with internal politics, they are too busy making China a better country for the people. Their motto is "為人民服務(serving the people.)"
 

I am just telling it like it is. Please don't prejudge me. Thank you very much!

 

Sure. I still respect deeply China but the legacy left by rye ancient world which is a true legacy to the whole of humanity not only the Chinese. BUT I have my reservations based on:

 

1. My teacher's experience of living and studying in China (period 1998-2002). He wasn't impressed. He also came across fake monks paid by the Gov. in order to make money out of the temples they were in charge of.

2. A Westerner who lives the ancient Way and has got a great deal of knowledge about the country. He is well known here and elsewhere online and he's also an author. He is not Bruce Kumar Frantzis btw.

 

He told me you'll find better teachers in countries like Taiwan and the West than in the mainland. Excessive commercialism and lack of depth is what is commonly found in mainland China especially in known mountains like Wudang.

 

3. After watching the film Ascension (2021), I realised that the Chinese dream of becoming an economic superpower will forever undermine the growth of spirit. This will be felt in generations to come. 

 

"Keep America Great" is a motto seen throughout the film but applied to the Chinese experience. Greatness at the cost of everything else? Is this path worth it?

 

BALANCE IS THE KEY, CHINA. Remember this before you turn into the next super 'civilised' and highly technological and materialistic giant with NO SOUL.
 

 

[awaken]

Fake monks in China are indeed common

When I was traveling in China, I visited Buddhist monasteries
I was very surprised to see that the monks in Chinese Buddhist temples were fanning the wind while chanting scriptures, and they were still moving around
Taiwanese monks don’t move when they chant sutras
So when I saw monks in mainland China chant sutras, they couldn't even stand still, I was very surprised

中國的假和尚確實很常見

我在中國旅行時，參觀佛教寺院
我很訝異地看到中國佛寺的出家人竟然在念經的時候，拿著扇子在搧風，而且還動來動去
台灣的和尚在念經的時候，動都不動的
所以當我看到大陸的出家人竟然念經的時候，連站著不動都做不到，我是很訝異的
 

Edited January 3, 2023 by awaken

[awaken]

 

 

There are also very different monks in Taiwan who hold concerts in Hong Kong

[Master Logray]

3 hours ago, awaken said:

Fake monks in China are indeed common

When I was traveling in China, I visited Buddhist monasteries
I was very surprised to see that the monks in Chinese Buddhist temples were fanning the wind while chanting scriptures, and they were still moving around
Taiwanese monks don’t move when they chant sutras
So when I saw monks in mainland China chant sutras, they couldn't even stand still, I was very surprised

中國的假和尚確實很常見

我在中國旅行時，參觀佛教寺院
我很訝異地看到中國佛寺的出家人竟然在念經的時候，拿著扇子在搧風，而且還動來動去
台灣的和尚在念經的時候，動都不動的
所以當我看到大陸的出家人竟然念經的時候，連站著不動都做不到，我是很訝異的
 

 

Even real monks can be troublesome.   An elder of the most prominent Buddhist temple, also the head of Buddhist association in the next city , was found to be with another senior nun in Hawaii.  Both stay in the house which is property of the temple there.  And the nun even wear a bikini and had dinner in luxury hotel.  

[awaken]

On 2023/1/4 at 12:18 AM, Master Logray said:

 

Even real monks can be troublesome.   An elder of the most prominent Buddhist temple, also the head of Buddhist association in the next city , was found to be with another senior nun in Hawaii.  Both stay in the house which is property of the temple there.  And the nun even wear a bikini and had dinner in luxury hotel.  

 

Everyone knows about this man, so he probably won't be able to become a monk anymore.