Right technique to lower the heart rate

[Infolad1]

On 4/3/2023 at 2:28 AM, Chang dao ling said:

What about Wet dreams and involuntary emissions?

Hi, Chang dao ling,

 

Once you get to a certain stage of your work, those won't happen anymore.

 

In the meantime, don't obsess about it. Folks get really neurotic about leaking.

Don't do that. It actually makes it worse, and puts you in a negative loop of action-regret-guilt-relapse.

 

Just be consistent in your practice, and cultivate ignoring negative thoughts. How do you do that?

By putting your mind on something else. Lustful thoughts show up? Go exercise, do your Qigong, or work on a project. Meditate.

Stay away from porn. After a while, wet dreams will no longer be an issue.

 

Cheers!

 

[Lairg]

20 minutes ago, Infolad1 said:

This is all virtual. All of it.

 

Is the human virtual?

 

Perhaps the spiritual human occurs before Existence.   If so, the human has leverage on the virtual game we call Existence.  That is my experience

 

 

 

 

[Infolad1]

1 hour ago, Lairg said:

 

Is the human virtual?

 

Perhaps the spiritual human occurs before Existence.   If so, the human has leverage on the virtual game we call Existence.  That is my experience

 

 

 

 

Hi, Lairg,

All of It is virtual, Including the human.

 

The etymology of the word human.

Adam 
masc. proper name, the biblical name of the first man, progenitor of the human race, from Hebrew adam "man," literally "(the one formed from the) ground" (Hebrew adamah "ground"); compare Latin homo "man," humanus "human," humus "earth, ground, soil." Compare homunculus.

 

human (adj.)
mid-15c., humain, humaigne, "human," from Old French humain, umain (adj.) "of or belonging to man" (12c.), from Latin humanus "of man, human," also "humane, philanthropic, kind, gentle, polite; learned, refined, civilized." This is in part from PIE *(dh)ghomon-, literally "earthling, earthly being," as opposed to the gods (from root *dhghem- "earth"), but there is no settled explanation of the sound changes involved. Compare Hebrew adam "man," from adamah "ground." Cognate with Old Lithuanian žmuo (accusative žmuni) "man, male person."

Human = Earth Man.

 

Adam Kadmon, our original, mental aspect (God-Man), is not the same as the physical Adam Ha-Rishon (Earthman/Human). The gross physical human shell is broken down after use ("ashes to ashes, dust to dust").

 

The spirit doesn't occur before existence. The spirit is a database. No need for a database in No Thing.

 

There is No Thing before existence. Just consciousness aware of Its consciousness. Consciousness is immaterial. Just infinite potentiality and eternal possibility.  This is how It creates Itself and everything else.

 

We are all mental constructs. The personality is a mask. 

 

Who leverages? Who is experiencing this? 

 

Who is this human you keep talking about? Just an amalgamation of virtual thoughts, Images, and conditioned responses to virtual stimuli.

 

It's real enough for the game and Is to be taken seriously, but not literally. Cheers!

Edited April 5, 2023 by Infolad1

[Infolad1]

We have to be very precise In our use of language. Language is segregative, by its very nature.

 

So It begins to fail us as we discuss the higher aspects of reality.

 

This is why it's essential to develop a consistent practice so that we can directly experience these things.

 

Intellectual exercises are fine at the beginning but don't actually lead to anything but endless debate.

 

We can't talk about Tai Chi Quan forever, we have to eventually do It and Master It.

 

And this is the same for all cultivation work. Once you're clear on what you're cultivating. Cheers!

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, Infolad1 said:

Who is this human you keep talking about?

 

I was shown in a dream various human spirits (that I know well in this life) that are from before Existence (universes).    Not all humans were formed within Beingness so it is worth testing whether they belong only in the Sphere of Existence.

 

 

 

 

[Chang dao ling]

3 hours ago, Infolad1 said:

Hi, Chang dao ling,

 

Once you get to a certain stage of your work, those won't happen anymore.

 

In the meantime, don't obsess about it. Folks get really neurotic about leaking.

Don't do that. It actually makes it worse, and puts you in a negative loop of action-regret-guilt-relapse.

 

Just be consistent in your practice, and cultivate ignoring negative thoughts. How do you do that?

By putting your mind on something else. Lustful thoughts show up? Go exercise, do your Qigong, or work on a project. Meditate.

Stay away from porn. After a while, wet dreams will no longer be an issue.

 

Cheers!

 

Thanks. My doubt is if i have a involuntary emissions or Wet dreams should i stop practice for 1 or 2 days ?

[Nahfets]

From my experience it would be best to wait at least three Days, as I once had issues with nightly emmisions and what felt like a haunting energy as I tried to stay celibate, and I forgot about the emission in the morning and practiced. I felt a pain in my stomach area when ever I usually felt warmth or vibration. I think mild Qigong exercises are fine but, horsestands, MCO, quick fire and reverse breathing should at least have a three if not more Days recuperation time. The reason why 8 brocades are prohibited is due to horsestands is closing your glutes like a energy lock (bandha) which increases the filling of the dantien. This is why older Taoist manuals describes using a wooden block for sitting as it will force you to tighten your anal sphincter more closely. 

I heard it has to do with an energetic membrane that shuts between your LDT and your testicles after orgasm to heal for a while, but if you fill your LDT after this the membrane might rupture as the flow is obstructed. 

I felt the pain for a few Days but it went away and no crazy gas also so I hope it wasn't damaged but I for sure protect myself at Night now and it seems to work as it stopped. 

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by Nahfets

[Infolad1]

4 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

I was shown in a dream various human spirits (that I know well in this life) that are from before Existence (universes).    Not all humans were formed within Beingness so it is worth testing whether they belong only in the Sphere of Existence.

 

 

 

 

 

Hi, Lairg,

 

It's all a dream. You're using incorrect terminology to describe what happened.

 

We're virtual characters in a virtual game. So those spirits (they may have previously incarnated as humans in current reality)

can't be before existence. That's before the game boots up. There is No Thing before the game.

 

Could they be from previous Universes before this one? Of course. But that's a previous version of the game.

If you said that they were from a previous universe, that would be accurate. The game boots up, and the game shuts down.

This cycle happens forever. A circle.

 

We already know everyone because there is only ONE. The appearance of many is just that, an appearance.

There is only one being that individuates Itself into many.

 

So yes, you had a dream, but your terminology used in Interpreting the dream wasn't accurate. Yes, you know those people currently.

 

We all have dreams like that. Cheers!

 

 

 

[WujitoTao]

It seems to me the subject of this thread have slipped a little and I would like that you people focuss back on the main theme.

I don't mean to be rude, but you people deals with energy , mco and such advanced esoteric things and when it comes to simple question as to how succeeding in slowing down the heart rate, the answer is not so clear.

 

To summarize, the main answer is ; getting relaxed, not to focuss on the heart but on deep breathing insteadn and the LDT and such.

 

The fact is that when we do a quick search on the internet we can find specific techniques on how to achieve it, like the one with the longer exhales.  In fact, it is what everyone is advising on the web regarding lowering the heartrate, to have longer exhales than inhales.

 

I would like to know what you guys think about it: if it actually works for you or not? Personnaly i haven't noticed a clear success by doing it, but maybe i need to do it longer or to practice more.

Apneists tends to focuss and longer exhales for an another reason;  it is in order not to hyperventilate.

 

Also, having longer exhales mean that one needs to get his airflow more narrow while exhaling.  I noticed a quite easy thing that i haven't see anyone to adress in my whole "carreer" an that i think is of utmost importance, is the following:  breathing can be done using the face breathing orifice or not.  I mean you can force the breathing using your mouth or your nose (in that case the mouth and the nose are making a sound) or otherwise you can breath more internally (like the air is sucked from the belly) and the mouth and the nose are not making any sound at all , but you can hear the sound coming from the belly instead.  I think you know what i mean.  

In order to make your breath longer, it seems that you should choose the second option.  So maybe, while inhaling, you use the first option and while exhaling you choose the second, in order to achieve the objective.

 

What would be the best option in order to inhale the more oxygen possible ?  i would think the first option.  When you see apnesit taking air with their mouth, they do it forcing the air in , which looks like the first breathing option.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by WujitoTao

[Taoist Texts]

3 minutes ago, WujitoTao said:

when it comes to simple question as to how succeeding in slowing down the heart rate, the answer is not so clear.

there is no way to slow down the heart rate below that which is a normal resting rate for the normal individual

[WujitoTao]

1 minute ago, Taoist Texts said:

there is no way to slow down the heart rate below that which is a normal resting rate for the normal individual

 

 

 

 

[WujitoTao]

39 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said:

there is no way to slow down the heart rate below that which is a normal resting rate for the normal individual

 

Not true..

 

Apneist are droping their heart rate to very very low levels...  umberto pelizzari,..  Guillaume Nery, etc etc...

 

Umberto pelizzari said that is heart rate like one beat every five or ten seconds, while being 100 meters down..

 

even buddhsit monk and such are doing it..  what about turtle/ hybernation breathing ?

Edited April 5, 2023 by WujitoTao

[Taoist Texts]

10 minutes ago, WujitoTao said:

Not true..

well good luck. please let us know when you make it true.

[WujitoTao]

21 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said:

well good luck. please let us know when you make it true.

 

 i already made it true before (like 5 or 7years ago) when i was doing breathing and breath holding exercises with deep relaxation, ..

 

why being so ironic?  i don't understand,  it's not so extraordinary !...   you are dealing with mco, kundalini, energy circulation and such  and slowing heartbeat is like an impossible challenge...       there's something i don't get here...

Edited April 5, 2023 by WujitoTao

[Infolad1]

8 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

Thanks. My doubt is if i have a involuntary emissions or Wet dreams should i stop practice for 1 or 2 days ?

 

Hi, Chang dao ling,

 

Give yourself 1 to 2 days. Everyone's constitution is different, but most folks are good after 1 to 2 days.

 

You can still do basic breathing practice, Tai Chi Quan, light exercise, and standing practice with a high stance. In other words, 

nothing where you could over-exert yourself. Also, eat nutritious meals with good fats (coconut oil, Udo's oil blend, etc.) daily.

Get your electrolytes and minerals. A good Multi-Vitamin/Multi-Mineral will do the trick.

 

These things will actually help you "refuel" quicker. You're basically building your neurotransmitters back up to optimum levels.

Don't forget the gut/brain connection.

 

Cheers!

 

 

[Infolad1]

7 hours ago, Nahfets said:

From my experience it would be best to wait at least three Days, as I once had issues with nightly emmisions and what felt like a haunting energy as I tried to stay celibate, and I forgot about the emission in the morning and practiced. I felt a pain in my stomach area when ever I usually felt warmth or vibration. I think mild Qigong exercises are fine but, horsestands, MCO, quick fire and reverse breathing should at least have a three if not more Days recuperation time. The reason why 8 brocades are prohibited is due to horsestands is closing your glutes like a energy lock (bandha) which increases the filling of the dantien. This is why older Taoist manuals describes using a wooden block for sitting as it will force you to tighten your anal sphincter more closely. 

I heard it has to do with an energetic membrane that shuts between your LDT and your testicles after orgasm to heal for a while, but if you fill your LDT after this the membrane might rupture as the flow is obstructed. 

I felt the pain for a few Days but it went away and no crazy gas also so I hope it wasn't damaged but I for sure protect myself at Night now and it seems to work as it stopped. 

 

 

Hi, Nahfets,

 

I don't subscribe to the whole "rupturing" theory, but when the energy/Information begins to flow strongly, you can definitely run into some painful effects if you don't have all of your ducks in a row.

 

I understand the reasoning about the wooden block in some Taoist manuals, but I don't subscribe to that, also. These practices should be able to be done without implements, other than a chair and/or meditation cushion and mat (aka Zafu and Zabuton).

 

Your mileage may vary.  Cheers!

[Infolad1]

1 hour ago, WujitoTao said:

 

 i already made it true before (like 5 or 7years ago) when i was doing breathing and breath holding exercises with deep relaxation, ..

 

why being so ironic?  i don't understand,  it's not so extraordinary !...   you are dealing with mco, kundalini, energy circulation and such  and slowing heartbeat is like an impossible challenge...       there's something i don't get here...

 

Hi, WujitoTao,

 

Your question was already answered on the first page. But you're the OP so if you want to stay on topic, then we'll stay on topic.

So this will be my final response to this thread.

 

What I, Taoist Texts, and others are trying to tell you, both implicitly and explicitly, is that messing with your heart rate is VERY dangerous. ESPECIALLY with you already saying that you're dealing with hyperthyroidism. That is nothing to play around with.

 

One of the gentlemen that you mentioned, Guillaume Néry, has been freediving for 26 years. His friend  Loïc Leferme died during a training dive in 2007.

 

According to the Divers Alert Network (DAN) which analyzed freediving death rate data between 2006 and 2011, about 59 freedivers die each year.

 

Another interesting finding from DAN is that of the 447 cases of freediving accidents recorded in this time; 308 were fatal.

This means that if you have a freediving accident; there is a 75% chance that it is lethal.

 

The Shocking Reality Of Freediving Death Rates

https://freedivingfreedom.com/risks-of-freediving/freediving-death-rates-the-shocking-reality/

 

So the people that you're referencing are involved in a VERY dangerous, extreme sport.

 

With that said freedivers have a lot of valuable information for cultivators. But you have to be smart about how you utilize it.

 

I'm currently reading James Nestor's "Deep" and Stig Severinsen's "Breathology" book. I'll eventually also take his course.

 

Deep: Freediving, Renegade Science, and What the Ocean Tells Us About Ourselves

https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Freediving-Renegade-Science-Ourselves-ebook/dp/B00E78ICX8/ref=sr_1_1?crid=C5RV5RMXBVUO&keywords=deep&qid=1680720430&s=books&sprefix=deep%2Cstripbooks%2C139&sr=1-1

 

Breathology Site

https://www.breatheology.com/

 

I'm getting Instruction in the Buteyko Method from certified Instructors. As with most things, there are a LOT of charlatans out here.

 

Do you have at least 10 years of professional Instruction and monitoring in slowing your breathing?

If the answer is no, then you may want to slow your roll.

 

Everything I do I've been trained and certified in by very competent people with decades of experience under their belt.

 

Breath holds and slowing your heart rate is not something to learn from YouTube videos and It's not "easy". It takes a bit

of hard work. 

 

So you did it 7 years ago? Did you keep doing it? Can you do it now? I used to run 5 miles a day every day 15 years ago. Do I do it now? No. I'd have to work my way back up to that. The same principle applies.

 

Taoist Texts made a very good point years ago that people seem to be under the false impression that these practices aren't potentially dangerous.

 

They are. So they should be approached with a corresponding level of respect.

 

Recklessness can get you killed.

 

But you seem to be very set on doing this, danger be damned. Again, get training from an actual professional.

 

Buteyko Breathing Step-by-Step Video Course

https://buteykobreathingcenter.com/collections/video

 

Free Preliminary Consultation for Buteyko Training

 

Private Session with Breathing Center Owner Sasha Yakovleva ($125 USD)

https://buteykobreathingcenter.com/collections/main-programs

 

But you do you. I'm out. Cheers!

[Nahfets]

Doesn't matter if you subscribe or not this is an issue and there's even threads on it in here documenting peoples issues with this and most liniages in the East warns about it for a reason because they too have witnessed these things. New people who might get hurt should know this in my opinion. 

 

Most today also don't believe in succubusses although many old texts refer to them and if you practice enough to astral project go take a look and see for yourself. 

 

Also you should be able to meditate while staying grounded where ever you are, but now people live in houses and wear shoes, so things aren't always that simple as that. 

 

There's deep wisdom in the old Taoist manuals they knew the ups and downs of it. 

Edited April 5, 2023 by Nahfets

[WujitoTao]

1 hour ago, Infolad1 said:

 

Hi, WujitoTao,

 

Your question was already answered on the first page. But you're the OP so if you want to stay on topic, then we'll stay on topic.

So this will be my final response to this thread.

 

What I, Taoist Texts, and others are trying to tell you, both implicitly and explicitly, is that messing with your heart rate is VERY dangerous. ESPECIALLY with you already saying that you're dealing with hyperthyroidism. That is nothing to play around with.

Hi Infolad, 

 

You can see it as dangerous , i don't..    You 're all dealing with microcosmic orbit , kundalini awakening and stuff here  and all these are not dangerous ?   Why am i forbidden to talk about this subject ?  that's crazy...

 

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One of the gentlemen that you mentioned, Guillaume Néry, has been freediving for 26 years. His friend  Loïc Leferme died during a training dive in 2007.

 

I know that..  they are going down deep also and push their limit...

 

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According to the Divers Alert Network (DAN) which analyzed freediving death rate data between 2006 and 2011, about 59 freedivers die each year.

 

Another interesting finding from DAN is that of the 447 cases of freediving accidents recorded in this time; 308 were fatal.

This means that if you have a freediving accident; there is a 75% chance that it is lethal.

 

What 's the goal here?  bringing fear ?

 

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The Shocking Reality Of Freediving Death Rates

https://freedivingfreedom.com/risks-of-freediving/freediving-death-rates-the-shocking-reality/

 

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So the people that you're referencing are involved in a VERY dangerous, extreme sport.

 

it's dangerous yes,...

 

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With that said freedivers have a lot of valuable information for cultivators. But you have to be smart about how you utilize it.

 

At last

I'm not smart yes..

 

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I'm currently reading James Nestor's "Deep" and Stig Severinsen's "Breathology" book. I'll eventually also take his course.

 

Deep: Freediving, Renegade Science, and What the Ocean Tells Us About Ourselves

https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Freediving-Renegade-Science-Ourselves-ebook/dp/B00E78ICX8/ref=sr_1_1?crid=C5RV5RMXBVUO&keywords=deep&qid=1680720430&s=books&sprefix=deep%2Cstripbooks%2C139&sr=1-1

 

Breathology Site

https://www.breatheology.com/

 

I'm getting Instruction in the Buteyko Method from certified Instructors. As with most things, there are a LOT of charlatans out here.

 

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Do you have at least 10 years of professional Instruction and monitoring in slowing your breathing?

If the answer is no, then you may want to slow your roll.

I know QI-gong more than 10 years,  i freedive more than 6.

 

SO we need to be 10 years experienced in something to start doing it ?  ah ok..  i didn't know...

 

PLease why you talk to me like a child,  i'm 38 years old grown up...

 

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Everything I do I've been trained and certified in by very competent people with decades of experience under their belt.

 

Breath holds and slowing your heart rate is not something to learn from YouTube videos and It's not "easy". It takes a bit

of hard work. 

 

For sure

 

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So you did it 7 years ago? Did you keep doing it? Can you do it now? I used to run 5 miles a day every day 15 years ago. Do I do it now? No. I'd have to work my way back up to that. The same principle applies.

 

I was doing it quite well yes.  My pulse could be like one beat per 2 seconds or more. ANd i freedived 10 meters deep for 2 minutes

 

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Taoist Texts made a very good point years ago that people seem to be under the false impression that these practices aren't potentially dangerous.

 

They are. So they should be approached with a corresponding level of respect.

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Where am i not respectful with my approach ?  How do you know that ?

 

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Recklessness can get you killed.

 

But you seem to be very set on doing this, danger be damned. Again, get training from an actual professional.

 

Actual professional can be  "charlatans"  most of the time... as you said above.

 

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Buteyko Breathing Step-by-Step Video Course

https://buteykobreathingcenter.com/collections/video

 

Free Preliminary Consultation for Buteyko Training

 

Private Session with Breathing Center Owner Sasha Yakovleva ($125 USD)

https://buteykobreathingcenter.com/collections/main-programs

 

But you do you. I'm out. Cheers!

 

Anyway, thanks for you time..  i just don't know why this subject is so tabou...  i expected more discussion and less tabou...   being answered  "it's impossible to lower the heartbeat " (which is totally false) or "it's dangerous to lower the heartbeat" (which i think is good personnally)  wasn't my expectation....

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by WujitoTao

[Lairg]

7 hours ago, Infolad1 said:

 

It's all a dream

 

Many years ago I was clearly having two sorts of dream.   One type seemed contrived (e.g. like standing in the middle of the filming of a James Bond movie) and the other had complex detail involving people I knew that looked a bit different in the dream (e.g. wrong age with somewhat different features)

 

So I learned how to distinguish fake dreams (similar to re-enactments for a documentary) from genuine dreams. 

 

I would go back into the dream and test for the presence of the five electricities.  If the electricities were not present the dream was a fake.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q="the+five+electricities"&oq="the+five+electricities"&ie=UTF-8 

[Infolad1]

3 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Many years ago I was clearly having two sorts of dream.   One type seemed contrived (e.g. like standing in the middle of the filming of a James Bond movie) and the other had complex detail involving people I knew that looked a bit different in the dream (e.g. wrong age with somewhat different features)

 

So I learned how to distinguish fake dreams (similar to re-enactments for a documentary) from genuine dreams. 

 

I would go back into the dream and test for the presence of the five electricities.  If the electricities were not present the dream was a fake.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q="the+five+electricities"&oq="the+five+electricities"&ie=UTF-8 

 

Hi, Lairg,

 

I'm no longer posting on this thread.

 

Please post your question on this thread. Cheers!:

 

 

[Mithras]

It’s somewhat amusing. You’re avoiding a romance of some kind. I’d reccomend eating a spoon of salt or just far more sodium. Replacing celibate practices with the consumption of salt will certainly solve most your problems, whereas simply eating a table spoon of salt before you sleep will at least allow your body to heal.
 

If I was here I’d find my problem is attraction, not actually ailment. Having a sickly body is a good foundation, a healthy body is healthy but that’s about it.

 

Meditation on Kithra Kyriel will cure your physical afflictions quite easily. Albeit the wild ride of sanity might be a long one. I’ve never recommended Kithra Kyriel to someone before so I consider it perhaps a connection of your own. This is meditation to become Kithra Kyriel, one meditates on becoming Kithra Kyriel. Already being Kithra Kyriel comes next, but debatedly I’m unsure if you’d want to ruin your soul. Perhaps it isn’t that way for you, it isn’t a shame at all to discard your Prescience in exchange for becoming another being. Albeit the karma may lead to you eventually becoming a woman.
 

It is worth noting that Kithra Kyriel is a divine force, a pattern that naturally repeats in magic when leaves are listened to by an archmage.

 

Kithra Kyriel: "Fractures bearing mark of the same Psyche, and Origins knowing the same release" such prayer keeps such a phenomena growing and stable. These are beings grafted with immense divine power on occasion and they are Kithra Kyriel.