Becoming multi orgasmic / Orgasm without ejaculation.

[Vantage]

I would like to learn how to have orgasms without ejaculation.

 

I am 35 and have have been experimenting with retention for over a year now.

 

I have studied some products and while masturbating and having sex I tried coming as close as possible to the point of no return many times.

 

The closest to an orgasm w/o ejaculation I got one time was when I suddenly noticed a gap between the orgasm and the ejaculation.

 

I do several PC muscle exercises everyday.

 

I have several questions:

-How can I learn to have orgasms w/o ejaculation?

-Is it necessary I practice retention to learn this?

-How long did it take you to learn it? What were your steps?

-Is it necessary I practice meditation or yoga or other energy stuff?

-While in solo practice, is it ok to watch porn or should i better not?

 

If someone could point me to athread where these questions are answered I would appreciate that too.

 

Thanks in advance for all the help.

Edited May 13, 2008 by Vantage

[Eric23]

Check out Key Sounds. Believe its at multiples.com Several Taobums have experience with it. It's on my wish list.

[Trunk]

I would like to learn how to have orgasms without ejaculation.

(not laughing at you, Vantage, just the state of affairs)

[Vantage]

Check out Key Sounds. Believe its at multiples.com Several Taobums have experience with it. It's on my wish list.

Thanks for the recommendation. The reviews I read of that product were not very promising. I saw a poll where 142 people voted, and 45% of them learned how to orgam w/o ejaculation. 0% used Jack Johnston's method.

 

So here on the Taobums it has been succesful?

 

(not laughing at you, Vantage, just the state of affairs)

I am not getting it though. Is it a language thing?

Edited May 14, 2008 by Vantage

[Trunk]

I am not getting it though. Is it a language thing?

Not a language thing. Just that the community has been through an awful lot on this issue over the years... spanning from the statement of your first post to current conversations... it struck me as shocking for a moment and I was laughing it off. Too much to post in any one message.

 

A few things, though:

The goals that are presented in popular literature, concisely identified in the title of your post, are far from a proper or healthy orientation and set of goals. In fact, over the long term, are often quite detrimental to both health and spiritual well being (for many).

 

More appropriate goals might be:

- opening the channels and tissues

- harmony

- stillness

 

As far as the pelvic cavity in particular, the above includes (but is not limited to) learning to:

- clear heat

- maintain good circulation

- open the hips

- smooth the breathing

 

I caution you to be wary of the popularized goals. Becoming savvy in harmonizing your natural sexual cycle might be a more educational and beneficial context for your studies.

 

kind regards,

Trunk

 

p.s. Forgive me if I don't reply further in this thread. Local life calls.

[Patrick Brown]

My personal experience of multiple orgasms is perhaps very different to others experiences basically because I'm self taught (stop laughing). There are two main aspects of the male orgasm the first being the spasmodic thrusts of the prostate and the second being the sensation of semen through the urethra.

 

Most men expect to cum once their prostate starts going into spasms although ejaculation is not inevitable and with practice most men can keep moving to the point of a prostate orgasm again and again. But this orgasm isn't anywhere near what is possible and in fact most men probably don't know what the intensity of a real orgasm is like. Once a man learns to have multiple prostate orgasms he can progress towards full-blown body orgasms which is basically when the intensity of the orgasm is so great ones whole body becomes an extension of the prostate.

 

Now a full-blown body orgasm may seem like the ultimate to many men but in fact it's just the beginning! You need to imagine that the prostate is like a piece of petrol driven garden equipment, the kind with one of those cords you pull to start it. Now what most men experience as a prostate orgasm is an attempt to start their machinery! So when we pull the cord our machinery chugs and splutters but then dies but what would happen if we managed to get the motor started! I've only had two experiences of what might be termed a Super O (super orgasm) or an electric-orgasm. Basically the prostate can reach a state where it no longer pulsates but thrills although this may not be the best description. My own experiences only lasted between five and ten seconds but I believe with practice they could be sustained for much longer. The sensation of an electric-orgasm is like experiencing a thousand small, yet intense, orgasms every second and as said the prostate thrills but doesn't thrust or pulsate. Just for the record there is no ejaculation.

 

Now for the sensation of semen through the urethra, which for many men is the icing on the cake! Now we are told that with age the intensity of our ejaculations will lessen and our emissions become lesser. The quantity of semen may well be less but this doesn't mean that the intensity needs to be less. Now this post is getting rather long so I will sum this up pretty quick. In his thirties a man may learn to massage his perineum (between his legs under his balls) thereby putting pressure on the prostate to increase the intensity of his ejaculation/emission. In his forties a man may begin to experiment with, err, tools. Now I don't want to say much more on this as this is a public forum and perhaps a members only section would be useful for such discussions.

 

Just for the record I'm not overly into any of this but it's a branch of research that I've be into for many years. Hmm I'm sure a few of you will read that last comment the wrong way and be pissing yourself with laughter!

 

Anyways hope this was of interest.

Edited May 14, 2008 by Patrick Brown

[sunshine]

I recently got the material from Little Nine Heaven. Didn't have the time to actually view the DVD's... just had some snippets and a short overview of the book. Looks like to some extents already available material, plus some new/different stuff but in a pretty straight forward layout. Might be worth checking out...

 

http://www.littlenineheaven.com/home.html

 

 

Harry

[Vantage]

Becoming savvy in harmonizing your natural sexual cycle might be a more educational and beneficial context for your studies.

thanks for the feedback.

Anyways hope this was of interest.

It definetly is.

 

 

I am still curious, is it benefical to practice retention in order to learn non ejaculatory orgasms?

Edited May 15, 2008 by Vantage

[Son Goku]

Becoming too preoccupied with this topic sure is a danger. Its cool to know about the possibilities, but be careful not to let "ideas" distract you from more important things, like being connected and sensitive to your partner/ own body. If your breathing is deep and relaxed and you have a solid spiritual practice, while making love it will happen on its own oneday.

[Patrick Brown]

[Trunk]

Of course, just have to say more... (in reply to myself no less! )

Becoming savvy in harmonizing your natural sexual cycle might be a more educational and beneficial context for your studies.

If you look at your cycle like a wave graph (and I know this is an over-simplification)... (Tinker with drawing your own, over time.)

 

 

It's common for people to get caught up (obsessed) with trying to make one part of the cycle last forever. I would suggest that those approaches tend to be ill-directed and dangerous for most people.

 

To re-frame the conversation, you might look at how to keep your natural cycle smooth and harmonious. This sort of study & practice can be challenging, detailed and profound, and there is cultivation in it, and there is healthy relationship. And some of the things that we've learned (lower tan tien breathing, for example) can support this sort of approach.

 

I like to think of "healing jing gong", "normal healthy jing gong", and "advanced jing gong". Most people have not a clue about 'healing' nor 'healthy' and try to go for some totally misunderstood version of 'advanced' - and over the course of years they can really, really screw themselves up without knowing it... that is, they contradict principles of basic good health, which results in need of 'healing' but without resources nor knowledge to do so.

 

And sure, there's upward orgasm, and it's a good thing to share - but I wouldn't suggest becoming obsessed with it.

 

Trunk

 

 

p.s.

And, for extra credit, guess which part/s of the cycle men tend to be most naturally idiotic about?

[sean]

In his forties a man may begin to experiment with, err, tools. Now I don't want to say much more on this as this is a public forum and perhaps a members only section would be useful for such discussions.

Really enjoyed your posts here. No need to be discreet about this part, are you referring Aneros type tools? We've discussed this kind of stuff at length in the past, I'm curious to hear you elaborate.

 

I like to think of "healing jing gong", "normal healthy jing gong", and "advanced jing gong". Most people have not a clue about 'healing' nor 'healthy' and try to go for some totally misunderstood version of 'advanced' - and over the course of years they can really, really screw themselves up without knowing it... that is, they contradict principles of basic good health, which results in need of 'healing' but without resources nor knowledge to do so.

Nice points Trunk. For some reason this last piece reminded me of a distinction David Deida makes, between what he calls Function, Flow and Glow.

 

Function, he describes, as all about getting healthy in mind, body, emotion and spirit for the sake of being relatively productive in the context you find yourself in. Flow is about polishing the dirt off of the lens of your form so that the Light of Formless can shine through. Glow is, basically, the ultimate reality of Enlightenment, that "you" is a story, all there is and ever was is pure Light, the timeless ever-present reality accessible through Grace alone; a happy accident that no technique can ensure but perhaps certain practices make you more likely to trip and fall into.

 

Now, whereas Function encompasses work done for the purpose of healing and getting relatively functional as a human being, ie: most therapy, healing modalities, nutrition, exercise, Flow on the other hand involves Yogic practices, inner alchemy and also true Art, the expression of which can appear contrary or even dangerous to Function.

 

Now, ideally you have relatively enough grounding and functionality before putting yourself (or being thrust into) the fire of transformation. But think of most really great artists, visionaries and spiritual movers and shakers and you'll probably see people that were massively dysfunctional in certain areas of there life, but they long surrendered the desire for perfect personal health or functionality.

 

I'm not saying this is ideal, but maybe it's reality. There is not really a precise point in someone's development where you can say, Ahh... ok, you are 100% healthy and absolutely functional, you are ready to take the extraordinarily dangerous leap into real spiritual practice, but rest assured you have a clean bill of health, you are guaranteed to slay the demons on the path that have devoured and driven insane so many that have gone before you.

 

I'm playing devil's advocate here a bit, and also wandering off topic (moderators! ), but I think there is a conversation here. At what point does worrying about personal health become an egoic obsession that distracts from surrendering the personal into wherever spiritual transformation will take you? At what point is someone so clearly in need of some good old fashioned western therapy [sic] before they even think about taking up a genuine Yoga practice?

 

Best,

Sean

[Patrick Brown]

Edited May 15, 2008 by Patrick Brown

[Trunk]

There is not really a precise point in someone's development where you can say, Ahh... ok, you are 100% healthy and absolutely functional, you are ready to ... spiritual practice, ..

Agreed.

I'm not putting these broad categorizations forth as exclusive and sequential. My impression is that most people have some degree of all three areas of work & experience going more or less all the time, simultaneously.

 

I'm very suspicious of sequential programs, in general. Complete this step #1 %100 then and only then step #2, etc. It doesn't work that way, people don't work that way. Tends to be more cycling through various areas of work, deeper, deeper. This, then that, then this again, then some of the other, then that but deeper than before.

 

~ later ~

My point is that many people get sold on the idea of retention without even having basic ideas, principles, remedies of the 'healing' and 'healthy' areas - and so lack a sufficiently broad framework for even thinking about the issues.

 

~ yet later ~

.. begin to experiment with, err, tools. Now I don't want to say much more on this as this is a public forum and perhaps a members only section would be useful for such discussions.

 

Just for the record I'm not overly into any of this but it's a branch of research..

A TB, Owl, wrote an article on that some time back (link). Also, the aneros has been openly discussed, as Sean said. So, feel free to say what you will.