Apech Posted July 13, 2023 Why must the knight slay the dragon and rescue the damsel? And while you're at it what is that cave doing there? Unravel the symbolism. Let us try. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted July 13, 2023 I seem to recall a European version of St George where he put a ring through the nose of the dragon and led it through the market place. That could be interpreted as the spiritual part of the human (George) taming the "dweller on the threshold" (personal will) so that the personality becomes useful in interactions with humans (in the marketplace) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted July 13, 2023 39 minutes ago, Apech said: Unravel the symbolism. what symbolism? as in dragons are not real, they just symbols? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zorro Dantes Posted July 13, 2023 Leading a dragon by the ring on its nose…Christianity comes from Gnosticism…are they referring to the might of wielding your kundalini in a disciplined and noble fashion?🧐 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted July 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Taoist Texts said: what symbolism? as in dragons are not real, they just symbols? There's a horse in the picture also - and everyone knows horses are not real. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted July 13, 2023 52 minutes ago, Apech said: There's a horse in the picture also - and everyone knows horses are not real. well duh. a horse in the picture is never real - it is painted. like, who knew! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oak Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Apech said: Why must the knight slay the dragon and rescue the damsel? And while you're at it what is that cave doing there? Unravel the symbolism. Let us try. The Archangel Michael killing the dragon is a biblical theme. Not sure when or why in history the brits replaced him by St. George 🤪 Edited July 13, 2023 by oak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oak Posted July 13, 2023 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Michael_Fighting_the_Dragon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, oak said: The Archangel Michael killing the dragon is a biblical theme. Not sure when or why in history the brits replaced him by St. George 🤪 ChatGPT says: "The substitution of St. George for St. Michael in English tradition primarily stems from the prominence of St. George as the patron saint of England. While St. Michael is recognized as a powerful figure in various religious traditions, including Christianity, St. George holds a special significance in English culture. The veneration of St. George in England dates back to the medieval period. According to legend, St. George was a Roman soldier who valiantly fought against a dragon to rescue a princess and save a town. This story became widely popular and eventually became associated with St. George, making him a symbol of bravery and chivalry. Over time, St. George became closely linked with the English identity and was adopted as the patron saint of England. His feast day, April 23rd, is celebrated as St. George's Day in England. The image of St. George slaying the dragon became a popular motif in English art, literature, and heraldry. On the other hand, St. Michael is known for his role as the leader of the heavenly forces in Christian belief, often depicted as an angelic warrior who defeats Satan and evil. While St. Michael has a widespread presence in Christian iconography and is recognized as the patron saint of various professions and places, his association with England is less prominent than that of St. George. The specific reasons for the substitution of St. George for St. Michael in English tradition are not entirely clear, but it likely resulted from a combination of factors, including the popularity of the St. George legend, the emphasis on English national identity, and the cultural significance attributed to St. George as the patron saint of England." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oak Posted July 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Lairg said: I seem to recall a European version of St George where he put a ring through the nose of the dragon and led it through the market place. That could be interpreted as the spiritual part of the human (George) taming the "dweller on the threshold" (personal will) so that the personality becomes useful in interactions with humans (in the marketplace) 7 hours ago, Zorro Dantes said: Leading a dragon by the ring on its nose…Christianity comes from Gnosticism…are they referring to the might of wielding your kundalini in a disciplined and noble fashion?🧐 Eccllesiastes 10: 11 If a snake bites the tamer before it is tamed, what good is the tamer? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, oak said: The Archangel Michael killing the dragon is a biblical theme. Not sure when or why in history the brits replaced him by St. George Which account came first. As I recall the Holy Bible was still being established in the time of King James. Various books were being included and excluded and re-translated even edited. Anatoly Fomenko (a celebrated Russian mathematician) claims to have proved statistically that the Old Testament was written after the New Testament. He has written 7 volumes entitled "History - Fiction or Science?" They are real eye-openers and confirm Henry Ford's famous statement: History is bunk! Who could have imagined that history was written by the victors? Edited July 13, 2023 by Lairg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oak Posted July 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Lairg said: Which account came first. As I recall the Holy Bible was still being established in the time of King James. Various books were being included and excluded and re-translated even edited. That's a lot of prejudice towards a book that clearly you don't know...but fine by me. Have it your way. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted July 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Taoist Texts said: well duh. a horse in the picture is never real - it is painted. like, who knew! paintings are 'real' Like I said a while back after posting a youtube of a drunken cop doing a highway stop .... someone asked "Is that real ? " Me : :" Well, its a real youtube . " 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted July 13, 2023 12 hours ago, Apech said: Why must the knight slay the dragon and rescue the damsel? And while you're at it what is that cave doing there? Unravel the symbolism. Let us try. Anyways, a fav subject of mine . There is nearly always a maiden in the picture , often tied to a pole or even imprisoned by the dragon . Not in this case , she has him well under control , YET our 'saint' still has attacked and wounded him ! Not so under control in the first picture . And not so in those images where a 'maiden rescue from a monster ' is obvious . Sometimes she is subtle and in the back ground This is the era of chivalry .... when a young aspiring knight or noble may express his infinite love for his paramour .... but not do anything at all sexual about it ... he may compose ballads and sing them to her , express his love and devotion on one knee , pledge his 'fealty' unto her .... dedicate a joust unto her .... live for a glance of approval or the drop of a kerchief .... but nothing to do with sex ! Except 'defend her purity' . So he has to keep other nasty sex fiends away from her , and most importantly , sublimate his own sex drive and convert it into, not 'eros' but 'agape' . " There is the dove and there is the serpent ... chose ye well ! " Down ye beast ... down ! The perfect example was recently seen on the British TV series 'Antique Roadshow' - a typical rector had bought in some old church statues , they had various examples including one of St George subduing a 'dragon' , which he had said had been removed from the church and put into storage . In this version the dragon was smaller, about the size of a large dog , with a long neck and bulbous head . George was wrestling with it , had the neck in his hands and holding it firm against his hip . The presenter asked why it had been removed from the church , the rector said there had been complaints and giggling children , due to the side silhouette . The camera changed angle and it looked like a guy wrestling with his own huge shlong ! Which might well be a more accurate representation of the issues involved in such 'sublimation ' and then to top the interview of , he asked where it was stored now . Without seeming to realize , the rector answered " In the organ room ." and the very refined interviewer was unable to suppress his smirk . 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted July 13, 2023 ... oh, the cave / castle / chapel perilous etc . The deep sexual unconscious ? The 'gate of life and of death ' ? or, for your 'regular Daobum' ; the Muladhara chakra ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Lairg said: … history was written by the victors? Definitely. Edited July 14, 2023 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) Sorry about this and the next post being empty. I had forgotten about some bums not liking me making posts in sequence. Edited July 13, 2023 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) . Edited July 13, 2023 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted July 13, 2023 Nothing is as good as your own imagination. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Cobie said: There’s a big mosaic of Mary crushing a snake under her feet. The evil serpent Apep (Apopis) is trodden under the left foot in ancient Egypt. Vishnu and Krishna also do a lot of treading/dancing on snakes 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oak Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lairg said: The evil serpent Apep (Apopis) is trodden under the left foot in ancient Egypt. Vishnu and Krishna also do a lot of treading/dancing on snakes I think you've just made a russian mathematician run for the Baghavad Gita 🤣🤣🤣 Edited July 14, 2023 by oak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oak Posted July 14, 2023 An interpretation: In this version the knight wants to have sex with the lady and the dragon is in the way. The lady by the fertile fields (ready for the seed) is the soul, true nature or true self. The dragon is the ego that must die and will fight to the death with the knight. The knight is Michael, the divine power, holy spirit that comes like fire to destroy the ego...or the Dao that comes to take away what isn't necessary. The cave is the secret, dark, intimate place where the union between the knight and the lady happens. And... If symbols could be translated into words they would be of no use. So, this interpretation has the value that it has...not much! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, oak said: The lady by the fertile fields (ready for the seed) is the soul, true nature or true self. You may recall the tradition of the (grail) virgin suckling the white unicorn. Somewhat modestly portrayed here 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
