St. George and the dragon

[Lairg]

 

 

Here is Set killing Apep

 

 

 

 

 Here is a Roman hunting scene with the bident spear

 

[oak]

Involuntarily visited Notre-Dame of Paris cathedral the past week and found this peculiar representation of St. Michael. Thought of sharing it.

 

[Lairg]

On occasion I have been given various inner plane implements including sword, trident and rod.

 

I store them in my spine - like a golf bag

 

Michael seems to be doing the same

 

 

[oak]

15 hours ago, Lairg said:

On occasion I have been given various inner plane implements including sword, trident and rod.

 

I store them in my spine - like a golf bag

 

Michael seems to be doing the same

 

 

 

Glad you could relate to the image 🙂

[Nungali]

...... even though it was by ' fantasy ego broadcasting  ' ,    

[rocala]

On 7/13/2023 at 4:59 PM, oak said:

The Archangel Michael killing the dragon is a biblical theme. Not sure when or why in history the brits replaced him by St. George

I don't think they did. Prior to St George, it seems that St Theodore was a dragon killer. The switch appears to have origins in what is now Turkey.

I don't know about St Michael, is anyone suggesting there was only one dragon?

[oak]

6 hours ago, rocala said:

I don't think they did. Prior to St George, it seems that St Theodore was a dragon killer. The switch appears to have origins in what is now Turkey.

I don't know about St Michael, is anyone suggesting there was only one dragon?

 

Maybe you're right. Doesn't really matter to me. I'm interested in the simbology of Michael defeating the dragon, that's all 🙂

[Lairg]

16 minutes ago, oak said:

I'm interested in the simbology of Michael defeating the dragon

 

If I recall correctly in one version Michael tamed the dragon and led it through the marketplace.   

 

I wonder if the dragon symbolizes the human persona - that needs to be trained before it is taken out in public

 

 

[oak]

38 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

If I recall correctly in one version Michael tamed the dragon and led it through the marketplace.   

 

I wonder if the dragon symbolizes the human persona - that needs to be trained before it is taken out in public

 

 

 

Didn't know that one. Good luck with taming your dragon 🙂

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

If I recall correctly in one version Michael tamed the dragon and led it through the marketplace.   

 

I wonder if the dragon symbolizes the human persona - that needs to be trained before it is taken out in public

 

 

 

It is the 'eros' of the Knights 'agape'  that the Knight must 'triumph over'  .

 

Check the numerous classical images , often there is a bound maiden nearby .  . .  sometimes hard to spot 

 

 

and sometimes bound or even naked . 

 

There is a classic painting of St George leading a huge ferocious looking dragon , with collar and lead , like a complacent dog , through the town, but I cant seem to find a copy of it . 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, oak said:

 

Didn't know that one. Good luck with taming your dragon 🙂

 

Its the wild untamed 'western dragon' ... not like the   'lucky eastern dragon' .  

 

Although if your dragon is tamed out in public , it may attract a maiden . Then behavior must be regulated with the utmost  valor and decorum ..... love is permissible, but certainly not lust !    

 

That comes later ,   when the ' tamed '   dragon is able to entice the maiden to its lair .

[Apech]

34 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Its the wild untamed 'western dragon' ... not like the   'lucky eastern dragon' .  

 

Although if your dragon is tamed out in public , it may attract a maiden . Then behavior must be regulated with the utmost  valor and decorum ..... love is permissible, but certainly not lust !    

 

That comes later ,   when the ' tamed '   dragon is able to entice the maiden to its lair .

I think we might understand all the figures in the scene as being aspects of the Self.  Even the cave which must have what I might call yoni relevance.  I think if you can relate the struggle to your spiritual journey in that way it might begin to make sense.

 

 

[Nungali]

To the modern person perhaps , but to Ye Olde Medieval Knight  it worked differently ; 

 

One may admire , honor and respect a beautiful maiden of  good class ... even have love and devotion  for and 'dedicate' yourself to her . But its all  lute and oratory .   To bring sex into the picture would be ..... 'unthinkable' (or at least deny that you are thinking that ) . 

 

This is because the maiden is a symbol of absolute purity ... that is until some other guy  takes her fancy .

 

Then you have two choices ;  to 'protect her honor' in  a joust .... or lose out .  

 

If you choose the first option , you have two more choices ; beat the other suitor  and gain the scorn of the maiden , then she  will feel sorry for the defeated and injured ... and you will be a brute .   Or loose ... and the other will be a hero and the maiden run off with him . 

 

 

Hey ... wait a minute  ......  have things changed that much  now  ?  

 

 

 

"Fear not helpless maiden, whilst thou art in my arms  ..... "

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Taomeow]

What really intrigues me is all those medieval manuscripts dedicated to knights fighting snails.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sometimes the knight gives up without a fight though and begs the snail for mercy

 

 

And occasionally the snail shells are inhabited by entirely unlikely animals

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 01:36 AM by Taomeow

[Sanity Check]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

What really intrigues me is all those medieval manuscripts dedicated to knights fighting snails.  

 

 

Snail Pest

Written By: Adam Atwood | February 23, 2024

 

 

Snails invade crops or gardens.

In 1966, a boy sneaked three Giant African snails (Achatina fulica) from Hawaii to South Florida in the United States. The boy’s grandmother eventually released the snails in her garden, and seven years later the mollusks had created about 18,000 adult snails and thousands of eggs, which by then was a plague of enormous proportions. In total, the child’s mischief cost about 1 million dollars and ten years to eradicate from Florida.

Snails reproduce with relative ease. They eat almost anything organic, and a single individual can have hundreds of offspring each year. So when the population rises to excessive levels and begins to affect humans or other animals, it becomes a problem.

 

https://snail-world.com/snail-pest/

[Nungali]

Yeah, first thing I thought when looking at the pictures . Anyone that has tried a large garden of veggies will understand . 

 

And the little buggers have their own armor ! 

 

First you need  to clear the ground around your  castle , so they don't have cover as they approach .    The warfare is relentless and the rules of the Geneva Convention are thrown away ; poison might be used .

 

One insidious and underhanded method is to put little taverns around offering free beer .  These can be made by using the cut off bottoms of a 2lt and a 1 lt  milk  plastic container . The  smaller one sits inside the bigger one holding the free beer . The bigger one sits  over the small one to keep the rain out , it has doors cut on all sides with the flap up as a door 'awning' , again to keep the rain out . They drink, drunk, dunk, drown . 

 

For those that want to manage a mini-ecosystem , install a ferocious snail eating blue tongued  dragon ;

 

 

 

 

 

 

'' Who's a good boy , then . " 

 

[Taomeow]

17 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

For those that want to manage a mini-ecosystem , install a ferocious snail eating blue tongued  dragon ;

 

 

 

Or better yet, a French chef.