Stranger things

[Taomeow]

The US is 4% of the world population, accounts for over 70% of worldwide pharmaceutical profits, and ranks 60th in life expectancy.  

Edited December 18, 2024 by Taomeow

[silent thunder]

The US and its Corporatocracy is financially predatory in nigh on every aspect of life.

[Taomeow]

[Taomeow]

[Nungali]

Dont drive through Bondi  ( Sydney )   anything can get you in trouble and you could be arrested  ;

 

 

 

 

 

But apparently not so in Jerusalem !

 

 

WTF Australia ?! 

 

[Taomeow]

So they are working very hard on replacing all energy sources (and all pastures) with solar panels, and simultaneously on sun-dimming technologies.  Interesting.    

[Nungali]

Stranger human 'intelligence'   ;  Australian dickhead news weatherman  introducing last snow ski season in a report from Thredbo (a ski resort town )

 

" Here on the slopes, we have not had much snow , but all of the snow making machines are running full on and we have a good ground cover  - Australia doing its bit to combat global warming ! "

 

 

 

 

 

[old3bob]

On 12/29/2024 at 7:51 AM, Taomeow said:

 

there are some alkaline products that can reduce their digestion/gas output

Edited December 30, 2024 by old3bob

[Taomeow]

44 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

there are some alkaline products that can reduce their digestion/gas output

 

Yeah, they're called grass and hay.  Cows are not equipped to properly digest corn seasoned with ground dead cows, their typical factory farm feed.  They don't fart that much on grass and hay, if at all.  At least I don't remember it being a problem with privately owned cows I've encountered in the countryside (where they also didn't spray anything on the grass the cows grazed on). 

 

Incidentally, I have pictures of my kids from one of those trips, standing beside cows who were milked five minutes earlier, drinking raw milk.  In those pictures they are 5 years old.  My son always had trouble with store bought milk (allergic) and couldn't drink it (still can't), but with raw milk there were no adverse reactions.  

 

By the way, there were no fewer than 60 million bison in North America in the 1800s, in perfect balance with their ecosystem.  No farting issues.  And no soil erosion issues until they were all killed in order to starve the Native Americans whom they sustained for tens of thousands of years.   

Edited December 30, 2024 by Taomeow

[old3bob]

ok, btw i meant chemical alkaline like soda types...

 

the following could also go in the boring thread although we know how good you are with data; btw. and a warning this might get burned somewhere into your vast memory bank forever if you read it ...

 

"Sodium bicarbonate in dairy rations Edward J. DePeters 0 Alan H. Fredeen 17 Donald L. Bath It’s not needed when rations include alfalfa hay Sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO,) has been used in ruminant diets to buffer rumen conditions under situations of dietary or rumen acid stress. For example, sodium bicarbonate has been added to diets of sheep and cattle entering feedlots because of radical (dietary) adjustments from diets of high roughage to high grain, which are associated with rumen acidosis (reduced pH). However, the efficacy of sodium bicarbonate in buffering the rumen environment is variable. Sodium bicarbonate has also been used in dairy cattle diets at the beginning of lactation. At 0.7 to 1.5 percent of the diet dry matter, it has improved feed intake and milk yield in early lactation when added to diets based on corn silage as the forage. In addition, improvement in dietary fiber digestibility has sometimes been observed and has been associated with the maintenance of a more favorable rumen pH (6.6 to 6.8) environment for cellulolytic microorganisms. Consequently, sodium bicarbonate can sometimes be partially effective in maintaining normal milk-fat percentages when high grain, milk-fat-depressing diets are fed. Improving the rumen environment for cellulolytic microorganisms shifts the rumen fermentation towards acetic acid production, which is favorable for milk fat synthesis. There has been little work evaluating sodium bicarbonate in dairy diets based on alfalfa hay as the forage. Alfalfa hay differs from corn silage in at least three aspects that may reduce the need for supplemental buffers: (1) effective fiber level is higher in alfalfa; (2) alfalfa has a higher buffering capacity; and (3) unlike corn silage, alfalfa hap is not acidic when fed. In these experiments, we added sodium bicarbonate to diets based on alfalfa hay as the forage to evaluate its effects on digestibility of dietary fractions and rumen characteristics when fed to dairy cows in early lactation. We conducted two experiments at the dairy facility at University of California, Davis. In experiment 1, four Jersey cows in early lactation were fed complete mixed diets containing 0, 0.25, 0.5, and 0.75 percent sodium bicarbonate (table 1) in a Latin square design in which each cow received each diet for 21 days. Diets were 40 percent chopped alfalfa and 60 percent concentrate. Cows were fed and milked twice daily, and feed and fecal samples were collected for estimation of diet digestibility. Feed intake and yields of milk and milk components were recorded. Rumen samples were obtained by stomach tube from each cow two hours after feeding. In experiment 2, four first-calf Holstein cows fitted with permanent rumen fistulas were fed complete mixed diets containing 0, 0.4, 0.8, and 1.2 percent sodium bicarbonate. Diets of 30 percent chopped alfalfa and 70 percent concentrate were fed in a Latin square design. Cows were fed twice daily and milked three times daily. Feed and fecal samples were taken for digestibility determination. Milk samples were collected at each milking. Rumen fluid was sampled at one hour before and at three, six, and nine hours after the morning feeding for each diet and animal. Within each experiment, the addition of sodium bicarbonate to complete mixed diets containing alfalfa hay did not affect feed intake, milk yield, or milk composition (table 2). Feed intake and milk yield were high and normal for cows in early lactation. In both experiments, milk fat was normal and remained unchanged with sodium bicarbonate addition to the diets. Apparent digestibility of dietary components was not affected by sodium bicarbonate in either experiment (table 3). In experiment 1, there were no differences in apparent digestibility of dry matter, crude protein, energy, or fiber fractions. Similarly, in experiment 2, apparent digestibility was not significantly affected, although there were small nonsignificant increases in digestibility of cellulose and acid detergent and neutral detergent fiber at 1.2 percent sodium bicarbonate. Previous reported research has shown either no change or an increase in fiber digestibility with sodium bicarbonate addition to diets with corn silage as the forage ingredient. Molar percentages of rumen fluid volatile fatty acids were not affected by sodium bicarbonate in experiment 1 (table 4). The acetic-to-propionic ratio increased slightly with sodium bicarbonate addition, but all ratios were above the level associated with low milk fat. In experiment 2, molar percentage of acetic acid was markedly elevated and propionic acid was reduced in cows fed the diet containing 0.8 percent sodium bicarbonate when compared with the other diets. As a result, the acetic-to-propionic ratio was also significantly greater for that diet. As in experiment 1, the acetic-to-propionic ratios for all diets were above the level associated with milk fat depression, and milk fat was not affected by sodium bicarbonate addition to diets containing alfalfa. Rumen pH was significantly affected by sodium bicarbonate addition to the diet (fig. 1). Diets containing 0 and 0.4 percent sodium bicarbonate were associated with a rapid decline in rumen pH following feeding for six hours. In contrast, diets containing 0.8 and 1.2 percent sodium bicarbonate showed rapid decreases in rumen pH during the first three"

Edited December 31, 2024 by old3bob

[Sanity Check]

13 hours ago, Taomeow said:

So they are working very hard on replacing all energy sources (and all pastures) with solar panels, and simultaneously on sun-dimming technologies.  Interesting.    

 

 

Personally, I would rather have electricity generated by steam machines than solar panels.

 

Solar panels can last 20 years before losing a significant amount of power generation.

 

While there are 100 year old steam engines still generating peak power (afaik) if properly maintained.

[Taomeow]

14 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

Personally, I would rather have electricity generated by steam machines than solar panels.

 

Solar panels can last 20 years before losing a significant amount of power generation.

 

While there are 100 year old steam engines still generating peak power (afaik) if properly maintained.

 

20 years is generous.  In March, one hail storm destroyed 4,000 acres of a solar farm in Texas.  And in April, a storm destroyed the world's largest floating solar farm in India.  

There are more, and bigger, problems there though.  Start to finish, it's such a god-awful environment-destroying scam...  I sometimes wonder if there's anything left in today's world that isn't.  You look under the hood of any industrial process blessing us with our technologies, it makes your hair stand on end.  

 

Steam is much nicer, that's for sure. 

 

As for older tech lasting much longer, and being fixable when in need of repair...  well, I have a Norwalk hydraulic press juicer made in the 1970s, an exact replica of the original 1934 model, all solid stainless steel and 1/2 horsepower motor.  I bought it used (heavily) from a juice bar going out of business in the late 1990s.  (They are crazy expensive when new, and don't depreciate much as time goes by...  so I jumped on that bargain.)  I subjected it to heavy use over the years, sometimes super heavy for long stretches of time.  About ten years after I bought it, I had to refill the hydraulic fluid (did it myself), and another 10 years later, I had to replace a rubber belt on the motor pulley (also did it myself).  Nothing else has ever been wrong with it, it still makes the best juice under the sun the likes of which no newer design models can hold a candle to.       

[old3bob]

or no electricity at all... a lot can be said for these old reliable babies most of which were so called "upgraded" with a small electric motor.

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by old3bob

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Edited December 31, 2024 by old3bob

[Taomeow]

3 hours ago, old3bob said:

or no electricity at all... a lot can be said for these old reliable babies most of which were so called "upgraded" with a small electric motor.

 

 

But you can't have a wardrobe stuffed with hundreds of items of mass-produced clothes made of plastic made of oil (that's what polyester is) using this!  Can't have fast fashion, can't have landfills choking with billions of jeans (because the fashion once decreed that they have to be bell bottoms but then straight but then skinny but now wide leg -- gotta keep up!)  

[old3bob]

and thus no walk-in clothes and shoes closets that are bigger and in better shape than many of the homes of 3rd world folks!  (with a great many that have no homes)

 

in heaven there are no clothes that's why we wear them here.  (although and apparently there are a lot of nice robes)

Edited December 31, 2024 by old3bob

[Nungali]

23 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

Yeah, they're called grass and hay.  Cows are not equipped to properly digest corn seasoned with ground dead cows, their typical factory farm feed.  They don't fart that much on grass and hay, if at all.  At least I don't remember it being a problem with privately owned cows I've encountered in the countryside (where they also didn't spray anything on the grass the cows grazed on). 

 

Nah ... they gassy and farty  anyway .   To an extent . The ones I worked with had  grass and hay , sometimes 'silage' , no corn, meal or feed products .   One has to consider a cow is really  a huge digestion machine .  And cow poos are all different . I know as I used to collect them    

 

Now, I dont have a collection of them on my shelf, I did it to make  BD 500 , cow poo in cow horn .  You want a nice 'cake'   not a runny dribble , they are the bad ones , and can come out with gas ... dont stand behind one of those .  Some one at BD AG converted an old sausage making machine  to compress the poo out of it , and into a widened nozzle of an ice cream machine . You could just push your cow horn ice cream cone up into it and   brown 'dairy cream; would fill it up .  But even that machine would gas and burp ... and sometimes send a 'blat' of poo out onto an unsuspecting 'trainee' .  What fun work used to be   

 

You are right about not worrying about it though  ....   the other things that are dumping MUCH MORE methane into our atmosphere are much more concerning !  Even termites have contributed 13%  to the methane content of the atmosphere ,  mining, petro chemical  have a high input .... and that isnt even considering whats happening and going to happen with  permafrost melt !

 

 

 

Incidentally, I have pictures of my kids from one of those trips, standing beside cows who were milked five minutes earlier, drinking raw milk.  In those pictures they are 5 years old.  My son always had trouble with store bought milk (allergic) and couldn't drink it (still can't), but with raw milk there were no adverse reactions.  

 

We used to have that mornings milked milk excess stored in our cool room .  Boy would it make great burfi !

 

I have heard the same about wheat ; some that could not eat bread and had a 'wheat allergy' all of a sudden did not have it when they ate bread  from fresh harvested and ground wheat .  Some wheat (after 'treatment' ) can stay in storage for a very long time until it is ground to flour , and that can be stored for a long time before its made into bread .

 

By the way, there were no fewer than 60 million bison in North America in the 1800s, in perfect balance with their ecosystem.  No farting issues.  And no soil erosion issues until they were all killed in order to starve the Native Americans whom they sustained for tens of thousands of years.   

 

Our equivalent are kangaroos .... ya know , I dont think I have ever heard a kangaroo fart  . 

 

[Nungali]

16 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

Personally, I would rather have electricity generated by steam machines than solar panels.

 

Solar panels can last 20 years before losing a significant amount of power generation.

 

While there are 100 year old steam engines still generating peak power (afaik) if properly maintained.

 

 

Sanity Check out for a  leisurely Sunday drive ... and BBQ 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

11 hours ago, old3bob said:

or no electricity at all... a lot can be said for these old reliable babies most of which were so called "upgraded" with a small electric motor.

 

 

We used to have 'pedal power' juice guy come to our festivals regularly .   Juicers. blenders, etc  one end of the trailer  with the serving / selling bar  and the other end a couple of stationary part bicycles . Usually interested volunteers  would jump on and peddle for a bit .

[Nungali]

7 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

But you can't have a wardrobe stuffed with hundreds of items of mass-produced clothes made of plastic made of oil (that's what polyester is) using this!  Can't have fast fashion, can't have landfills choking with billions of jeans (because the fashion once decreed that they have to be bell bottoms but then straight but then skinny but now wide leg -- gotta keep up!)  

 

Have you seen that place that has HUGE piles of  dumped clothes  ?   And I dont mean old rubbish , some of it is new and super expensive brands .  Chile I think it is ... 30,000 tons in one 'pile' .

 

 

That really doesnt do it does it .... we need an aerial  shot

 

 

 

 

Nah, that won't do it either ... we will have to go to satellite  ; 

 

 

 

[Sanity Check]

8 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Sanity Check out for a  leisurely Sunday drive ... and BBQ 

 

 

 

 

 

1:39

 

His refueling routine.

 

Bottle of water & some twigs.

 

Good to go.

 

Elon has nothing on that.

 

Although if that thing sat still long enough, Elon might find a way to put a sunroof on it.