Stranger things

[Taomeow]

On 1/8/2025 at 4:46 PM, Nungali said:

 

 

I am sure you Californians are gonna love Victorian beaches       

 

 

Me in Victoria :  " Why isnt the sand yellow , where is the surf , why doesn't it stop raining  ? "

 

Yeah, we're badass here.  

 

   

[Mark Foote]

Why isnt the sand yellow, why doesn't it stop raining? 

 

Humboldt County, California--was there once, with a friend. Not much to celebrate!

 

 

 

[Nungali]

Some beaches are like that in NZ . I went to one and up against the cliffs where HUGE  surf polished black  boulders . Further towards the water, smaller of the same , further still, small still , until at the waterline tiny polished black specks of 'sand ' .

 

A lot of our beaches here are due to parrot fish crap    

 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/where-does-sand-come-parrotfish-poop-makes-white-beaches-and-now-scientists-714024

 

some from storm smashed reefs  ( hence the little broken up bits of crab shell, , shells, coral,  dried starfish etc . ) thats like a speckled yellow tan color . 

 

Shell Bay in WA has an amazing beach !   Stretching both ways along the beach  a LONG way , then right around to a far point on the horizon ,  for a hundred meters of dunes back from the beach

 

 

and as far out as i could swim underwater ... all shells of the same size and type  - amazing ! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back further its even been compressed into 'coquina'  and used to be  cut out and used as building blocks

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coquina

 

 

[Sanity Check]

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

Some beaches are like that in NZ

 

 

What of beaches in australia?

 

 

 

Is this ^ real?

Edited January 18 by Sanity Check

[Nungali]

 NO  ! 

 

No gold here !    Dont bother coming and looking for it .... you will not find any . Its all  BS ! 

 

Keep out !   No one has  any gold here at all  . 

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Taomeow]

Freud dancing in his grave.

J.D. Rockefeller who put an end to worldwide medical traditions in favor of petroleum-derived medicine was the son of an herbalist.    

[Sanity Check]

 

 

Thursday, November 27, 2025

 

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[Taomeow]

/\ Not likely to watch...  the show went to shit since Evil Russians showed up in Season 3, so I dropped it.  

[Taomeow]

This is just something from the internet, I don't know if it's true, but would be interesting if proved real.   

 

[Nungali]

However, nowadays we know that Elon  is not the leader of Mars .  It is .... 

 

 

Arrk-ar-ark 

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

unless .... Elon's head got so big that .......

[Taomeow]

Had a chat about this and that with a chatbot (DeepSeek).  Discussing nutrition (trying to finagle a way to do fasts for their health benefits without losing weight because I've no extra to spare.)  Everything it said in response to every follow-up question, it concluded with admonitions to "consult a health care professional."  So finally I told it I've been studying nutrition for 40 years (which far from gives me all the answers beyond the tip of the iceberg -- I've come to believe it's the single most complex science in existence, or should I say in near-nonexistence, as things stand today...)  And it told me that 70% of doctors had less than 2 hours of nutrition studies in med school.  (I don't know what the remaining 30% had, more than that or less than that, didn't pursue this inquiry further because I couldn't decide if it was too ironic or too depressing to pursue.)

 

 

[Nungali]

Doesnt surprise me .   I suppose  most medical doctors are of the 'MD' type ; 'general'  not specialists in any field .  Some of them are rather badly uneducated .   

 

My last experience with one was a 'phone appointment '  (instituted during COVID , but previously not permitted , but still is now ?  - anyway )   .   I got my previous one that I thought I had escaped from , all I needed was a referral  to a specialist  .  I changed away from this MD , got a new one, he went on holidays and I got his temp replacement  . She didn't or forgot to send the specialist my referral , so when I went there  there was none, nor x-rays .  I was going about my 'other'  hip  joint  ( the same place and specialist  did my first hip replacement  and looking at x-rays he said it won't be too long before I need the other hip done ) . They where good about it , booked me in  for a consult , said they would get the x-rays themselves from radiologist , but get that doctor to  send the referral on . 

 

So I ring up and get the guy I was trying to avoid ( temp doctor was not there anymore  ... didn't do the work and did a runner , my new doctor still on holidays  )  ; what an issue , wanted to know this and that and was trying to advise me  ..... no, that's what the specialist is for  .   Suggested I might not need surgery .... wtf , that is what the specialist is for .   Asked me questions and when I answered them ,  wrote them down as re phrased by himself making them inaccurate !   Friggin MDs !  

 

last time I went to the same specialist  with the same doctor's referral letter , he checked everything with me anyway , and even commented about   ' What has the  your doctor written now ?  "  

 

MDs are like the police and SAS       

 

people ask why police cant shoot someone in the arm or leg  instead of .....    well, they don't have that much shooting training  as they have to learn a LOT of other stuff , not like a citizen that might spend  3 or 4 days a week on the firing range , or is engaged  in competition .    Or an SAS trained guy that lost a knife fight  ... he learnt a bit of that  but had to learn an awful lot of other stuff  too ... as opposed to a guy that trained four times a week knife fighting  ( and didn't have to learn  shooting, gun maintenance , survival skills, navigation ,  communications , parachuting, scuba  ......  )  

 

'Look Doc just give me the referral / prescription and  f*** off !  "    .... one day     

 

-  How pharmacies work  with MDs ;

 

A couple had a doctor friend that told them they could use his summer beach house . The doctor said it was hard to find so he wrote out some directions on a page of his stationary , ripped it out and gave it to them . But when they got there they could not read it , it looked like a scrawl . "I know", said the wife , pharmacists  are good at reading these doctors scrawls , pull in to one and I will go in and ask him if he can read it .  They find one and the wife goes in and says to the pharmacist  "   A doctor wrote this but I cant read it , can you ? "

 

" I will give it a go ." he took the  paper out the back  and was gone for a minute or two, then returned and handed the woman a bottle of antibiotic pills . 

[Taomeow]

5 hours ago, Nungali said:

A couple had a doctor friend that told them they could use his summer beach house . The doctor said it was hard to find so he wrote out some directions on a page of his stationary , ripped it out and gave it to them . But when they got there they could not read it , it looked like a scrawl . "I know", said the wife , pharmacists  are good at reading these doctors scrawls , pull in to one and I will go in and ask him if he can read it .  They find one and the wife goes in and says to the pharmacist  "   A doctor wrote this but I cant read it , can you ? "

 

" I will give it a go ." he took the  paper out the back  and was gone for a minute or two, then returned and handed the woman a bottle of antibiotic pills . 

 

[Taomeow]

Double post edited out

 

 

Edited February 13 by Taomeow

[Taomeow]

John Steinbeck (Nobel prize, 1962) was born in Salinas, CA, in 1902, spent his youth there, and based his novel East of Eden in part on his family history.  Today I accidentally came across this passage and...  well, many thoughts, literary to political to climatic, and now also personal experience.  What a gem of straightforward reality.  If you watch reality long enough -- for generations as they used to -- instead of your screens, you notice patterns in nature personally, without the middleman's interpretations...  and, paradoxically, you also don't notice it.  You don't notice due to a very peculiar phenomenon: what new agers drawing on poorly digested sources call "the power of Now" is something that does always have the front seat -- "Now" does --  but that seat is not located in reality.  Because reality is the pattern, and "now" is always out of touch with it.     

I forget the name of that Chinese philosopher who maintained that the past and the future are real and the present is an illusion, but I've long been fascinated by this unexpected twist of taoist thought.  Now the Steinbeck quote:   

 

“I have spoken of the rich years when the rainfall was plentiful. But there were dry years too, and they put a terror on the valley. The water came in a thirty-year cycle. There would be five or six wet and wonderful years when there might be nineteen to twenty-five inches of rain, and the land would shout with grass. Then would come six or seven pretty good years of twelve to sixteen inches of rain. And then the dry years would come, and sometimes there would be only seven or eight inches of rain. The land dried up and the grasses headed out miserably a few inches high and great bare scabby places appeared in the valley. The live oaks got a crusty look and the sage-brush was gray. The land cracked and the springs dried up and the cattle listlessly nibbled dry twigs. Then the farmers and the ranchers would be filled with disgust for the Salinas Valley. The cows would grow thin and sometimes starve to death. People would have to haul water in barrels to their farms just for drinking. Some families would sell out for nearly nothing and move away. And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years. It was always that way.”

― John Steinbeck, East of Eden

[liminal_luke]

My brother is a successful medical doctor with a full concierge practice.  He says that vegans don´t need to worry about supplementing vitamin B12 because they get plenty from bugs in their poorly washed lettuce.  

Edited February 15 by liminal_luke

[Taomeow]

49 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

My brother is a successful medical doctor with a full concierge practice.  He says that vegans don´t need to worry about supplementing vitamin B12 because they get plenty from bugs in their poorly washed lettuce.  

 

I've never seen a bug on a lettuce in my life.  However, the EU just approved adding 4% bugs to human foods.  There's even a German phone app I've seen (only in a demo, I don't have it) which scans products in supermarkets for this particular ingredient.  A really nasty-looking cockroach appears on the screen if the app detects this addition.  I guess it's all about making sure that "plant based diets" don't bereave their consumers of B12...  it's all for our own good.  

 

In China, I've personally cooked (not for myself) huge bugs and enormous centipedes which were part of very complex herbal formulas prescribed to the patient by a rather famous classical Chinese medicine doctor.  The condition of the patient was serious, and the treatment called for class 3 ingredients -- i.e. highly toxic ones which are never used for anything less serious.  It was the part of the treatment that is known as "attack poison with poison," perhaps a bit similar to the chemo approach in the West (though the toxicity of those traditional ingredients is much lower).  Alongside with those, there were tons of other things in the formulas though, nourishing, replenishing, moving stuff along, etc. -- usually a couple dozen ingredients many of which were changed every time after a weekly exam.  The nasty bugs remained though.  The outcome of the treatment was a bit of a medical miracle -- my MD friend told me later it's considered impossible and explained the physiology of why exactly.  I had to then ask permission to talk about qi, with apologies of course.

As for B12, it is stored in the liver in amounts that can prevent deficiencies sometimes for even a couple of years after the start of a vegetarian diet...  but after that, I wouldn't count on bugs.  If I were to take a wild guess, I'd surmise Western food industries don't know everything about bugs.  

[liminal_luke]

11 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

In China, I've personally cooked (not for myself) huge bugs and enormous centipedes which were part of very complex herbal formulas prescribed to the patient by a rather famous classical Chinese medicine doctor.  

 

Crickets are a traditional food in Oaxaca and make a decent snack when well-seasoned with chile and lime.  I´ve eaten my share.  But this business of bugs in European bread feels different, a slimy top-down edict from world-domination types.  

 

My doctor brother is a puzzle.  Nice guy, very smart, but we´re on different planets when it comes to nutrition.  During our B12 conversation, he told me that vegans also don´t need to worry a bit about protein -- that the idea that we need protein is a myth. I once asked him if he´d ever recommend a patient try keto.  He said no.  I asked, not even for kids with treatment-resistent epilepsy?  No.  

 

For me, family visits are an exercises in restraint. 

Edited February 15 by liminal_luke

[Taomeow]

3 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Crickets are a traditional food in Oaxaca and make a decent snack when well-seasoned with chile and lime.  I´ve eaten my share.  But this business of bugs in European bread feels different, a slimy top-down edict from world-domination types.  

 

My doctor brother is a puzzle.  Nice guy, very smart, but we´re on different planets when it comes to nutrition.  During our B12 conversation, he told me that vegans also don´t need to worry a bit about protein -- that the idea that we need protein is a myth. I once asked him if he´d ever recommend a patient try keto.  He said no.  I asked, not even for kids with treatment-resistent epilepsy?  No.  

 

For me, family visits are an exercises in restraint. 

 

Yes, I know that people in traditional cultures occasionally snacked on crickets, but they were never more than that -- a snack, not a food source.  I grew up snacking on our super delicious freshly roasted sunflower seeds which this or that entrepreneurial babushka (that's not a hair scarf contrary to the way the word entered the English language, that's an old lady or a granny) always sold somewhere in the street, often placing herself and her bucket, strategically, not far from a school so kids could buy that snack on the way to or from school.  The sunflower seeds were sold in shell and often still hot from having just been roasted at home.  Yum.  Beats all packaged junk foods combined, but junk food (or rather junk snack) is what they were considered even then and there, albeit I later discovered research showing that they are supposedly good for the brain development and that regular consumption in childhood might raise one's IQ.  (I don't have a control group of me who didn't indulge to compare my IQ to, so I can't vouch for that.  )  I think attitudes toward crickets would have been the same...  my dad, e.g., hated it when he caught me snacking on sunflower seeds, telling me it was low class and uncultured and a dumb thing to eat all around.  

 

As for your brother, you need to think back to his med school and especially residency years to understand the trauma conditioning they all undergo, specifically designed for the purpose.  Sleep deprivation is one of the surest ways to trauma condition -- and they are forced into schedules of  36-56 hour shifts then 8 hours on call, then rinse, repeat --

 all under high stress, high demands, high competition, a lot of responsibility with zero authority (a prescription for slave-like receptivity to brainwashing), and curricula developed with "a patient cured is a customer lost" credo hammered into each petroleum/industrial waste derived "remedy" for "symptoms" which constitute upwards of 90% of what they learn (how do I know? -- I used to own a PDF and study it for educational purposes, then check what this or that wonder pill is made of...)

...and you'll understand that when you're dealing with an MD product of that system, all bets are off.  Whatever they learn, they can only learn by rote -- not analyze, question, get curious about, much less doubt -- there's simply no resources being left for that, by design.  Total enslavement of a brain to the 4.5 trillion industry, the largest in the world not counting the military.       

[liminal_luke]

47 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

 

As for your brother, you need to think back to his med school and especially residency years to understand the trauma conditioning they all undergo, specifically designed for the purpose.       

 

I believe it.  

 

Another story.  My brother is paid big bucks by pharmaceutical companies to travel the country giving talks to other doctors about the benefits of different drugs, SSRI antidepressents in the past and now ketamine.  He recently went to Houston to attend a refresher workshop on how to give the ketamine presentations.  I asked him if he composed the content of the talks himself and was free to expound about his own experience as a clinician.  He said mostly no.  All the slides and handouts were mandated by the pharmaceutical companies and the scope of what he was allowed to say strictly restricted.  Interesting.

[Nungali]

On 2/15/2025 at 2:50 PM, Taomeow said:

John Steinbeck (Nobel prize, 1962) was born in Salinas, CA, in 1902, spent his youth there, and based his novel East of Eden in part on his family history.  Today I accidentally came across this passage and...  well, many thoughts, literary to political to climatic, and now also personal experience.  What a gem of straightforward reality.  If you watch reality long enough -- for generations as they used to -- instead of your screens, you notice patterns in nature personally, without the middleman's interpretations...  and, paradoxically, you also don't notice it.  You don't notice due to a very peculiar phenomenon: what new agers drawing on poorly digested sources call "the power of Now" is something that does always have the front seat -- "Now" does --  but that seat is not located in reality.  Because reality is the pattern, and "now" is always out of touch with it.     

I forget the name of that Chinese philosopher who maintained that the past and the future are real and the present is an illusion, but I've long been fascinated by this unexpected twist of taoist thought.  Now the Steinbeck quote:   

 

“I have spoken of the rich years when the rainfall was plentiful. But there were dry years too, and they put a terror on the valley. The water came in a thirty-year cycle. There would be five or six wet and wonderful years when there might be nineteen to twenty-five inches of rain, and the land would shout with grass. Then would come six or seven pretty good years of twelve to sixteen inches of rain. And then the dry years would come, and sometimes there would be only seven or eight inches of rain. The land dried up and the grasses headed out miserably a few inches high and great bare scabby places appeared in the valley. The live oaks got a crusty look and the sage-brush was gray. The land cracked and the springs dried up and the cattle listlessly nibbled dry twigs. Then the farmers and the ranchers would be filled with disgust for the Salinas Valley. The cows would grow thin and sometimes starve to death. People would have to haul water in barrels to their farms just for drinking. Some families would sell out for nearly nothing and move away. And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years. It was always that way.”

― John Steinbeck, East of Eden

 

 

It's different  down here though .... nothing like  that  ^   ..... no, no, no ....

 

You need to talk to Hanrahan about it ;  

 

 

"We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan
In accents most forlorn
Outside the church, ere Mass began
One frosty Sunday morn.

The congregation stood about,
Coat-collars to the ears,
And talked of stock and crops,
And drought,
As it had done for years.

"It’s looking crook," said Daniel Croke;
"Bedad, it’s cruke, me lad,
For never since the banks went broke
Has seasons been so bad."

"It’s dry, all right" said young O’Neil,
With which astute remark
He squatted down upon his heel
And chewed a piece of bark

 

And so around the chorus ran
"It’s keepin’ dry, no doubt."
"We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
"Before the year is out."

"The crops are done; ye’ll have your work
To save one bag of grain;
From here way out to Back-o-Bourke
They’re singin’ out for rain.

"They’re singin’ out for rain," he said,
"And all the tanks are dry."
The congregation scrached its head,
And gazed around the sky.

"There won’t be grass, in any case,
Enough to feed an ass;
There’s not a blade
On Casey’s place

As I came down to Mass"

"If rain don’t come this month," said Dan,
And cleared his throat to speak –
"We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
"If rain don’t come this week."

A heavy silence seemed to steal
On all at this remark;
And each man squatted on his heel,
And chewed a piece of bark.

"We want an inch of rain, we do,"
O’Neil observed at last;
But Croke "maintained" we wanted two
To put the danger past.

If we don’t get three inches, man,
Or four to break this drought,

We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
"Before the year is out."

 

In God’s good time down came the rain;
And all the afternoon
On iron roof and window-pane
It drummed a homely tune.

And through the night it pattered still,
And lightsome, gladsome elves
On dripping spout and window-sill
Kept talking to themselves.

It pelted, pelted all day long,
A-singing at its work,
Till every heart took up the song
Way out to Back-o-Bourke.

And every creek a banker ran,
And dams filled over top

................

"We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
"If this rain doesn’t stop."

 

And stop it did, in gods good time;
And spring came in to fold
A mantle o’er the hills sublime
Of green and pink and gold.

And days went by on dancing feet,
With harvest-hopes immense,
And laughing eyes beheld the wheat
Nid-nodding o’er the fence.

And oh, the smiles on every face,
As happy lad and lass
Through grass knee deep on Casey’s place
Went riding down to mass.

While round the church in clothes genteel
Discoursed the men of mark,

And each man squatted on his heel
And chewed a piece of bark.

"There’ll be bushfires, for sure, me man,
There will, without a doubt;
We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
"Before the year is out."

 

By P.J. Hartigan (1879-1952)

[Taomeow]

/\  When was it written -- 19th century, 20th?  It's different now... let me take it from there.

 

In god's good time came climate change,

man-made it was, no less.

"You'll all be rooned," said Klaus Schwab,

"unless we chip your ass."    

 

"Unless you pay your carbon tax

and kill your cows and shit

and wield that mighty battle ax

and eat your bugs -- that's it."      

[Sanity Check]

On 2/14/2025 at 7:22 PM, Taomeow said:

The condition of the patient was serious, and the treatment called for class 3 ingredients -- i.e. highly toxic ones which are never used for anything less serious.  It was the part of the treatment that is known as "attack poison with poison," perhaps a bit similar to the chemo approach in the West (though the toxicity of those traditional ingredients is much lower). 

 

 

 

 

Around 9 years ago.

 

There was an anti cancer treatment where viruses like rabies were engineered to eliminate effects making them dangerous to human health.

 

Cancer patients with enormous non operable brain tumors were injected with the engineered version of rabies. Which would result in the virus targeting, attacking and destroying cancer tumors.

 

Unfortunately. I think the treatment carried other negative side effects which resulted in a high percentage of patients dying. 

 

But the premise of viruses or poison attacking illness is interesting. And may perhaps be viable someday for modern medicine.

[Taomeow]

7 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

 

 

Around 9 years ago.

 

There was an anti cancer treatment where viruses like rabies were engineered to eliminate effects making them dangerous to human health.

 

Cancer patients with enormous non operable brain tumors were injected with the engineered version of rabies. Which would result in the virus targeting, attacking and destroying cancer tumors.

 

Unfortunately. I think the treatment carried other negative side effects which resulted in a high percentage of patients dying. 

 

But the premise of viruses or poison attacking illness is interesting. And may perhaps be viable someday for modern medicine.

 

Western medicine used to explore this venue -- have you heard of Coley's toxins?   This mixture of bacterial toxins to use as treatment for cancer was developed in the late 19th century by Dr. William B. Coley, a surgeon at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in NYC.  It is still used in some "alternative" clinics, particularly in Tijuana, and google tells me there's some renewed interest and new research into this method. 

I happen to have seen it in Tijuana.  It's a pretty scary method, relying on hyperactivating the immune system by a massive assault with bacterial toxins that raises the body's temperature to very high figures and kick-starts a drastic response from cell-mediated immunity, i.e. immunity that relies on mechanisms different from antibodies -- phagocytes, antigen-specific cytotoxic T-lymphocytes, and various cytokines.  The reaction itself lasts for about an hour and then it goes away once the toxins are processed, since the critters themselves aren't present.   I don't know how efficient it is, but I've seen this reaction (that went away after an hour) in a patient who wasn't treated with conventional methods before, i.e. the immune system was intact and capable to mount a response.  And I've seen zero reaction in another patient -- no temperature spike, nothing.  That second one was trying it as a last resort after conventional chemo and radiation failed to help him, and his immune system was completely shut down by prior interventions and didn't react to the toxins at all.  So I guess if someone wanted to disprove its efficiency, all they have to do is use it in this manner, as a last resort in an immunocompromised person, and it's guaranteed not to work.  How well it might work, statistically speaking, if used as the first resort, no one knows today.   

  

Edited February 17 by Taomeow