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[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

@ChiDragon do you know the Chinese characters for Damo, Bodhidharma ?

 

 

 

Damo:達摩

Bodhidharma: 達摩

 

[Taoist Texts]

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

Bodhidharma: 達摩

菩提达摩

[Cobie]

達摩 da2 mo2 and 菩提达摩 both mean Bodhidharma.

 

達 traditional characters = 达 simplified characters 

 

菩提 pu2 ti2 is the ‘Bodhi’ bit.

 

達摩 is enough to be understood to be Bodhidharma. 
 

 

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[Daniel]

3 hours ago, Cobie said:

@ChiDragon do you know the Chinese characters for Damo, Bodhidharma ?

 

Question:  were you expecting Damo, Bodhidharma to exist in the DDJ?  If not, is there an ancient text where they are expected?

 

[Cobie]

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[ChiDragon]

59 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

Question:  were you expecting Damo, Bodhidharma to exist in the DDJ?  If not, is there an ancient text where they are expected?

 

Damo is a person who brought Buddhism into China. In the TTC, there are only four entities are found. They are human, earth, sky and Tao.

[Cobie]

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[Daniel]

10 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Damo is a person who brought Buddhism into China. In the TTC, there are only four entities are found. They are human, earth, sky and Tao.

 

no water?  no spirit?

[ChiDragon]

2 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

And 自然 。

 

 

自然 means natural in the TTC. It is not an entity.

[Cobie]

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[Daniel]

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[Cobie]

 

27 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

no water?  no spirit?

 

In the DDJ (as far as I know) water and spirit are only used as metaphors. 

 

 

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[ChiDragon]

16 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

no water?  no spirit?

Water is part of nature. Spirit had mentioned in the TTC, but Laotze did not consider it is real.

[Cobie]

 

43 minutes ago, Daniel said:

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Hmm. Let me guess what was there. I’ll go for this for answer:

re 自然 please see 

https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/54593-zi4-ran2-自然/?do=findComment&comment=1003399 

 

 

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[Daniel]

FYI, @Cobie, this thread is super helpful for me in my convo with Kakapo.  I can't attach pictures there in the same way I do in public threads.

 

So I come here, edit a post, attach a needed picture.  then I can attach that picture into the private convo, then I delete it over here.  poof!  so helpful having this thread.

 

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[Cobie]

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[Daniel]

39 minutes ago, Cobie said:

That’s great. (I’d still like you to look at 

https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/54593-zi4-ran2-自然/?do=findComment&comment=1003399 )

 

 

 

Ziran!  Got it.  I have to run away, sadly.  But I'll look at it in detail when I return.

[Daniel]

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

Hmm. Let me guess what was there.

 

It was unneeded after Chidragon's reply.  It looks like we were typing and posting simultaneously.  I asked "entity?"

 

 

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I’ll go for this for answer:

re 自然 please see 

https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/54593-zi4-ran2-自然/?do=findComment&comment=1003399 

 

 

 

Ok.  Interesting read.  Yes.  Agreed super important concept.

 

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

(I’d still like you to look at it)

 

Apologies, I missed your previous post.

 

Ok.  I read the thread, but I didn't follow the links posted.  Would you like me to do that?  Are you asking for my input, or just maybe letting me know about the different interesting details you're finding?  Did this indicate it is an entity?

 

My gut response is, I do not understand it as "nature" but how nature behaves.

 

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[Daniel]

3 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

In the TTC, there are only four entities are found. They are human, earth, sky and Tao.

 

2 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

Water is part of nature. Spirit had mentioned in the TTC, but Laotze did not consider it is real.

 

4 entities:  human, earth, sky, Tao

Water is part of nature

Spirit is not real

 

? where does water fit into the 4 entities ?

 

? how is it known that spirit is not considered real?

[ChiDragon]

18 minutes ago, Daniel said:

? where does water fit into the 4 entities ?

Chapter 8 - Be Virtuous like Water
1.上善若水。
2.水善利萬物而不爭，
3.處眾人之所惡，
4.故幾於道。
5.居善地，
6.心善淵與善仁，
7.言善信，
8.正善治，
9.事善能，
10.動善時。
11.夫唯不爭，
12.故無尤。 

Translation in terse English:
1. High virtue like water.
2. Water is good at benefiting all things without contend.
3. Attend places where people disgusted.
4. Hence, water is similar to Tao.
5. Dwell in good selected places,
6. Good deep in the heart with peace and kind to others,
7. Spoken words with trust,
8. Rule with benevolence,
9. Conduct affairs with best ability,
10.Take action in a timely manner,
11.Therefore, only by not contending,
12.Thus no resentment.

 

[ChiDragon]

37 minutes ago, Daniel said:

? how is it known that spirit is not considered real?

Chapter 60 Ruled by Tao
1. 治大國,若烹小魚.
2. 以道莅天下,
3. 其鬼不神;
4. 非其鬼不神,
5. 其神不傷人;
6. 非其神不傷人,
7. 聖人亦不傷人.
8. 夫兩不相傷,
9. 故德交歸焉. 

1. Ruling a great nation is like frying a small fish.
2. With the presence of Tao beneath heaven,
3. The ghosts cannot extent their power.
4. It's not only that the ghosts cannot extent their power,
5. But its power cannot harm anyone.
6. It was not even that their power cannot harm anyone,
7. A ruler also does no harm to anyone.
8. Since both do no mutual harm to each other,
9. Then, the virtue of peace was returned to the people.

Laotze is an atheist and naturalist. He uses ghost(spirit)  as people's language to explain so people who would understand.

[ChiDragon]

Let's go elsewhere to discuss the subject. I don't like to go into deep discussion in the "deleted" thread here.

[Daniel]

45 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Let's go elsewhere to discuss the subject. I don't like to go into deep discussion in the "deleted" thread here.

 

 

[Cobie]

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