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[Thrice Daily]

4 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

 

At the time of Laozi, ziran meant: not ‘relying on/existing according to’ anything external. 
It referred to ‘that what’s behind it all’, the unknown source/origin of everything/the universe. 

And that’s how it’s used in the DDJ.

See:

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Totally Rad... I didn't know that , It's a pleasant one. Thankyou.

 

Ziranmen is an interesting concept for Martialarts.

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9 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:

… Ziranmen is an interesting concept for Martialarts.

Idk about Martialarts.

 

On 07/04/2023 at 11:37 PM, Cobie said:

My interest is in reading the oldest available copy of the DDJ, for that I need the original meaning of 自然 

 

Possibly a contemporary Daoist finds the original meaning of 自然 irrelevant; … For them possibly only the current meaning is what’s relevant; it being about ‘culture/belief-system’ and not about historical accuracy.

 

 

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[Thrice Daily]

7 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Idk about Martialarts.

No I find it fascinating, thanks fro pointing it out, it always helps to know more then it can help us with further digging. It is great you share, I'd like to know more like this to be honest,,, 

 

As an example I took what you said and had a further look. I found this, which colors what you are saying ever more...

Original Meaning of Ziran

In the context of Laozi and early Chinese philosophy:

• Ziran literally means "self-so" or "so of itself," derived from the characters 自 (zi) meaning "self" and 然 (ran) meaning "so" or "thus."
• In its original use, it referred to a state or condition that arises without dependence on external forces, existing purely of its own accord.
• Ziran was a description of the Tao (道) in its essence—the ultimate source or origin that governs the universe in an effortless and uncontrived manner.
• It was closely aligned with the mystery of the Tao, emphasizing that the universe operates naturally and spontaneously, without artificial interference or deliberate intent.

In Laozi’s Daodejing, ziran is not merely "natural" in the modern sense of being found in nature but reflects an ontological principle: the way things fundamentally are when they align with the Tao.

[Thrice Daily]

I tried to find if there were any earlier known Ideographs but that is furthest back I think

[Cobie]

22 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:

I tried to find if there were any earlier known Ideographs but that is furthest back I think

自 oracle bone 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E8%87%AA 

 

然 bronze inscriptions

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%84%B6 

 

 

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[Thrice Daily]

nice

[Cobie]

On 08/12/2024 at 11:27 PM, Thrice Daily said:

Original Meaning of Ziran

In the context of Laozi and early Chinese philosophy:

• Ziran literally means "self-so" or "so of itself," derived from the characters 自 (zi) meaning "self" and 然 (ran) meaning "so" or "thus."
• In its original use, it referred to a state or condition that arises without dependence on external forces, existing purely of its own accord.

Yes.

 

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… [ziran] reflects an ontological principle:

 

Yes. See

 

On 14/04/2023 at 12:48 AM, Cobie said:

… “ziran”, it’s a necessary ontological ground. Ziran literally means, “follow your own nose in this’. As no one knows, one has to make up one’s own mind. …

 

The DDJ is about the way you yourself fundamentally are when you align with the Tao. 

 

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[Daniel]

6 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

Interesting.

Googling around a bit, I bumped into this, “G‑d looked into the Torah and created the world.” Baffling. Then who wrote the Torah?

 

 

 

The Torah exists with God always and forever in a sort of lexicon of ideas called "Ein-Soph".

[Cobie]

yule have a row 

 

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[Nungali]

23 hours ago, Cobie said:

 funny place for it

 

Have you tried looking in other places?

 

 

 

Its ok, I found it in the car  ...

 

 

1971 Ford LTD

[Cobie]

 

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

… really ???  …

 

Never trust an E-number! 

 

 

 

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[doc benway]

On 12/8/2024 at 1:02 PM, Cobie said:

 

 

Blimey, admirable, where do you find the time? I wonder about that as well when I see how much you read. It’s not really a question, more envy. 
 

 

 

My nickname at home is the energizer bunny.

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[old3bob]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

Its ok, I found it in the car  ...

 

 

1971 Ford LTD

 

that's a nice looking Ford aircraft carrier;  now a days we have a glut of big trucks for wana-be macho men along with little cars for whatever...and UFO's for those guys with the big black eye balls.

[Thrice Daily]

6 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

Not “they”. The DDJ is about the way you yourself fundamentally are when you align with the Tao. 

 

 

I Am The Tao.

[Daniel]

1 minute ago, Thrice Daily said:

 

I Am The Tao.

 

You're magnificent 

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I know 

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[Thrice Daily]

Existence is a completed movie, 

We just think we are in the middle of it. 

the moment is just like the laser light hitting a dvd disc as it spins. 
 

We are completely completing completed completion… 
 

Word backwards is Drow  

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[Nungali]

5 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

Existence is a completed movie, 

We just think we are in the middle of it. 

the moment is just like the laser light hitting a dvd disc as it spins. 
 

We are completely completing completed completion… 
 

Word backwards is Drow  

 

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