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48 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

and     edited   is to     detide  .

What is . backwards?

[Nungali]

1 minute ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

What is . backwards?

 

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[Thrice Daily]

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

and     edited   is to     detide  .

Knew that would get your attention. 
Ward is to Draw ✍️ ⚔️ 

[Daniel]

@Cobie, I'm curious if the content of this thread would be better suited for a PPD?

 

No need to delete.  You could hide the posts you choose to retract.  Hide the trolls when they're trolling, etc.

 

Edited December 10 by Daniel

[Daniel]

4 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

Ward is to Draw

 

... a dog is a fish, but don't ask me how ...

[Cobie]

2 hours ago, Daniel said:

@Cobie, I'm curious if the content of this thread would be better suited for a PPD?

 

I agree. A request to the admods, @dwai , would it be possible to move this thread to my PPD please?

 

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No need to delete.  You could hide the posts you choose to retract.  Hide the trolls when they're trolling, etc.

That’s not possible in my PPD, I can only hide the entire thread or nothing.
 

 

Edited December 10 by Cobie

[Thrice Daily]

On 08/09/2023 at 1:08 AM, Cobie said:

In this thread you can post and then delete it. Delete it and forget about it. 

 

 

My mind is a micro chasm!

[Daniel]

22 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:

My mind is a micro chasm!

 

... like a city which is knit closely together ...

 

( psalms 122 )

 

Hit it Matis!

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Nungali]

7 hours ago, Daniel said:

@Cobie, I'm curious if the content of this thread would be better suited for a PPD?

 

No need to delete.  You could hide the posts you choose to retract.  Hide the trolls when they're trolling, etc.

 

 

Like this one  ^   ? 

 

It appears you didnt read the first post in this thread ... and Cobie forgot what she said  / invited us to do .

 

How could one 'troll' a thread where you are invited to write what you want and then delete it ?

 

And then take advice of daniel  that it might be being trolled  ... and then consider moving it to a PP where  empty deleted  posts can be hidden as they are an annoyance 

 

 

Youse guys are classic !            

 

 

... thanks, I got my morning belly laugh ... thats a good start to the day .

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[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

I agree. A request to the admods, @dwai , would it be possible to move this thread to my PPD please?

 

That’s not possible in my PPD, I can only hide the entire thread or nothing.
 

 

 

But that would be perfect for you  would it not ?

 

Why waste time writing a post ... and then deleting it  , why not  write an entire thread ... and then delete it .... I mean , if 'delete'  / deleting is your 'thing' ....  think of the time you would 'save ' .

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

Edited 1 hour ago by -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-

[Cobie]

 

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

There is a novel Idea !  Maybe you could go and preach there  ? 


 / 

 

edited, as rest obsolete. 

 

 

Edited December 11 by Cobie

[Nungali]

Dear Cobie ,

 

Dont forget I have been an anthropologist for over 45 years .   

 

(and that I have a wicked sense of humor   )

 

 

[Nungali]

There was an paper  published some decades ago about the people that preserved their culture the longest against colonial invasions ... it was called  'Kill them and eat them ! '  

 

- its the only way to deal with some 'types'.    

 

" Put  .... it ... in ... the ... curry ...  "

 

 

 

[Cobie]

 

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

The one I use  ( to illustrate this rise of technology surpassing human intelligence   and 'common sense '  ... or  us being collectively used by our own very base drives and desires )  is that of a child ;  he is still a child and  does not understand responsibility or consequence of actions ( wisdom )  but ..... he has found Dad's gun cupboard open .....  whoop-eeee  !  "

Exactly, that’s why I’m against science.

On 15/08/2024 at 3:33 AM, Cobie said:

A knife can be used for good (surgery) or evil (murder). Imo best not to give a knife (science) to a child (humanity).

 

 

Edited December 12 by Cobie

[Cobie]

 

@ChiDragon re. 超越的超越 , I think it’s like your DDJ Ch 1 - 3. 無，名天地之始 ,  the invisible Tao.

 

I think Chapter 14 talks about the ‘invisible Tao’, would you agree?

And did you translate Ch 14? If so I’d like to read it f I may.

 

 

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

 

@ChiDragon re. 超越的超越 , I think it’s like your DDJ Ch 1 - 3. 無，名天地之始 ,  the invisible Tao.

 

I think Chapter 14 talks about the ‘invisible Tao’, would you agree?

And did you translate Ch 14? If so I’d like to read it f I may.

 

Chapter 14 The invisible Tao­
1. 視之不見,名曰夷。
2. 聽之不聞,名曰希。
3. 摶之不得,名曰微。
4. 此三者不可致詰，
5. 故混而為一。­
6. 其上不皦，
7. 其下不昧，
8. 繩繩不可名，
9. 復歸於無物。
10.是謂無狀之狀，
11.無物之象，
12.是謂惚恍。
13.迎之不見其首，
14.隨之不見其後。
15.執古之道以御今之有。
16.能知古始，
17.是謂道紀。

Translated in terse English...
1. View it couldn't see, name and call it Colorless.
2. Listen to it couldn't hear, name and call it Soundless.
3. Touch it couldn't feel, name and call it Formless.
4. These three are inseparable
5. These three objects blended in one.
6. Its top is not brilliant.
7. Its bottom is not dim.
8. Its continuance is unnameable.
9. Returned to being formless(state of invisibility),
10. Is called a form of no form.
11. An image of formless,
12. Is called obscure.
13. Greet it cannot see its head.
14. Follow it cannot see its back.
15. Grasp the presence of Tao to see all existing things,
16. Able to understand the ancient origin,
17. It's called the Principles of Tao. 

[Cobie]

 

On 14/12/2024 at 8:24 PM, Cobie said:

... Chapter 14 talks about the ‘invisible Tao’, would you agree? …

 

 

On 14/12/2024 at 10:07 PM, ChiDragon said:

Chapter 14 The invisible Tao­ 

…

Ha, you even made it the chapter title, so that’s a resounding ‘yes’.  

 

[Cobie]

2 hours ago, Neirong said:

… Cut off bullshit should be among the early stages of development a prospective awakened being goes through.

At this stage people lose appeal to mysticality, copulating dragons and tigers, riding heavenly chariots, and entering reversed seventh elixir celestial kingdoms in search of purple flower of neverending stupidity.
 

… That is how I saw that as well, a quick cash grab. …

Exactly, and imo Laozi thought it important enough to put in the very first chapter of the DDJ:

…

9.   Charlatans normally don’t wish

10. to contemplate their own insignificance. 

11. Charlatans normally do wish

12. to exhibit their own loud shouting.

 

13. Paired, this joins to produce

14. bizarre moralities. Paired, gestates 

15. obscurities hinting at something beyond what’s apparent - 

16. the gateway to a lot of insignificance.

 

….

9.   故 恆 无 欲 ｜gu4 heng2 wu2 yu4

10. 以 觀 其 眇 ｜yi3 guan1 qi2 miao3 

11. 故 恆 有 欲 ｜ gu4 heng2 you3 yu4

12. 以 觀 其 噭 ｜ yi3 guan1 qi2 jiao4

 

13. 兩 者 同 出 ｜ liang3 zhe3 tong2 chu1

14. 異 名 同 胃 ｜ yi4 ming2 tong2 wei4 

15. 玄 之 有 玄 ｜ xuan2 zhi1 you3 xuan2 

16. 眾 眇 之 門 ｜ zhong4 miao3 zhi1 men2  (DDJ Ch 1)

 

Edited Saturday at 09:19 PM by Cobie

[Cobie]

 

28 minutes ago, Keith108 said:

… there is that Anatta thingy in Buddhism.

 

anatta (Google) “in Buddhism, the doctrine that there is in humans no permanent, underlying substance that can be called the soul.”

 I see. That I find depressing, that doesn’t appeal to me. 

 

[Cobie]

 

4 hours ago, Keith108 said:

I don't love talking about Buddhism here...it didn't go well the last time I was active.  

 

Ah … I didn’t know that. 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Cobie

[Cobie]

 

1 hour ago, Keith108 said:

 A monk asked Joju: "Does a dog have Buddha Nature?" Joju replied: "Mu!"

 

‘mu’ derived from the Chinese 無 .

無 wu2 - (negates) no, not; without; nothing.
 

Imo:

 

“A monk asked Jôshû, ‘Does a dog have Buddha nature or not?’ Jôshû said, ‘No’.”

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Cobie

[Cobie]

48 minutes ago, Keith108 said:

The story is the kong an (koan jp,), the word "Mu" is the hwadu. …

You'll have to trust me on this, but the question aspect is the most important part. …

 

Okidoki  on both ‘Mu’ and ‘hwadu’.  _/|\_

 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Cobie

[Cobie]

 

45 minutes ago, Keith108 said:

#offtopic

That’s part of TDB’s rich tradition - all threads must go off-topic. 

 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Cobie

[Keith108]

4 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

 

anatta (Google) “in Buddhism, the doctrine that there is in humans no permanent, underlying substance that can be called the soul.”

 I see. That I find depressing, that doesn’t appeal to me. 

 

Quite the opposite actually. When combined with dependent origination, it's quite liberating. Having a concrete idea of a "self", "soul", etc. is exhausting and the root of suffering in the world. 

 

But, we do all have to find our own way.