In another thread @wstein wrote:     This thread is intended to discuss enlightenment in a non-hostile manner.  In order to foster this discussion, please:   Do not make claims / assertions / implications about other's experiences including whether or not their own perceptions are delusional, or that their enlightenment experiences knowledge is incomplete or faulty. The purpose of this thread is to share experiences and information.  Each reader is welcome to form their own opinion about the credibility of each post and each poster.  This should be a common practice for anyone participating actively or passsively on an internet forum.  Caveat Emptor.  But this does not mean that posting thosee opinions here is welcome.   So please, no mocking, no challenging each other, or making universal statements about the flaws of non-enlightened people.