oak Posted September 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Apech said: Enlighten us... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted September 27, 2023 23 minutes ago, oak said: Enlighten us... Isn’t it obvious? 🤔 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Apech said: Isn’t it obvious? 🤔 Obviously not. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted September 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, Cobie said: Obviously not. I’m expecting a bit more effort! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted September 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, Apech said: I’m expecting a bit more effort! i was curious about the disk on the right. would never have guessed. so had to search Quote The painting, handmade on papyrus paper, represents the Goddess of the sacred tree quenching the thirst of King Khens Mose. On their right the symbol of the Universe, on the left the adoration of the God Rha. It is taken from a painting dating back to the 11th century. B.C. kept at the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Apech said: I’m expecting a bit more effort! So was I, from the OP! TT saved the day. Edited September 27, 2023 by Cobie 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted September 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Taoist Texts said: i was curious about the disk on the right. would never have guessed. so had to search Well done TT - however your source is bit inaccurate. Khonsu Mes was a priest in Thebes and not a king. The disk on the right represents the horizon (akhet) not the universe. The papyrus dates from the 21 st dynasty and so quite late and is one of the so called mythological papyri which are in effect short summaries of the Book of the Dead. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted September 27, 2023 Tomorrow or later when I have more time time I will give more detail. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted September 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, Apech said: Tomorrow or later when I have more time time I will give more detail. If anyone is seriously interested in this subject - but in the past there was little interaction so I took it down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oak Posted September 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Apech said: If anyone is seriously interested in this subject - but in the past there was little interaction so I took it down. Yes, Apech we want to buy the damn vacuum cleaner 😆 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Sternbach Posted September 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, oak said: Yes, Apech we want to buy the damn vacuum cleaner 😆 Khonsu mes = consumers? 🤔 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted September 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, oak said: Yes, Apech we want to buy the damn vacuum cleaner 😆 You have to understand Oak that I spent decades on this stuff until I was exhausted by the effort and took refuge in Buddhism - but my first love are the Egyptian mysteries. Going back to them is a huge effort which drags at my soul and reminds me how much energy I expended trying to understand the subject.. I am very tentative about going back to it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oak Posted September 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Apech said: You have to understand Oak that I spent decades on this stuff until I was exhausted by the effort and took refuge in Buddhism - but my first love are the Egyptian mysteries. Going back to them is a huge effort which drags at my soul and reminds me how much energy I expended trying to understand the subject.. I am very tentative about going back to it. Blame us, it's fine 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) . Edited September 28, 2023 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) . Edited September 28, 2023 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted September 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Cobie said: Then again it might be your source that’s a bit inaccurate. I’m only interested in this thread if the disk is the universe. My source is Piankoff and Romanov. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted September 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, Cobie said: Then Imo you should not have posted the OP. Better wait till you wholeheartedly want to sell the vacuum cleaner. I don’t want some wishy-washy salesperson. If I told you the great pyramid was a giant vacuum cleaner would you believe me? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) . Edited September 28, 2023 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Sternbach Posted September 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, Apech said: If I told you the great pyramid was a giant vacuum cleaner would you believe me? More of a giant dust collector. 😄 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted September 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cobie said: Well speaking for myself, no actually. I don’t “have to understand” anything at all, unless I want to. Well oak, you’re the better person. I certainly do not appreciate the tone of voice in “You have to understand…” I will complain to the manager and get the little patronising squirt sacked. I’m not little - I’m a medium sized patronizing squirt. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) delete and forget about it. Edited September 28, 2023 by Cobie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Sternbach Posted September 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Apech said: I’m not little - I’m a medium sized patronizing squirt. I prefer to think of you as a cat gone wild. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) @Apech if you do regret the time spent on Egyptian mysteries, possibly this is of interest: 3 hours ago, Michael Sternbach said: Yes, in retrospect we may see that we could have dealt with this or that situation more wisely. However, what we tend to forget is that we had to develop that kind of wisdom first -- and that past situation we couldn't handle better may well have been part of that process. While I am not one to deny the reality and power of free will, I feel it's adequate to say that, all in all, we did the best we could back then, given where and what we were. If in the meantime, we became more sophisticated in our insight and understanding, we deserve to give ourselves a pat on the back. Edited September 28, 2023 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted September 28, 2023 8 hours ago, Apech said: The disk on the right represents the horizon (akhet) not the universe. the signs on the disk might be the zodiac signs or solar cycle signs, so thats fine. but what are the two attendants doing to the disk? also i was intrigued to see horns at the sunrise. because they look exact like https://brewminate.com/ancient-minoan-religion/ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites