Alien encounters during dream

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

Mine had nothing angelic or demonic about them.  Nor anything from modern alien folklore or research or mass culture.  (Sheesh, I'm always the odd one out.)  

 

However, later I found out that jellyfish UFOs were a thing.  At the time I had that dream I had no idea.  Went to explore the vast web and voila...  jellyfish UFOs.  But none as clear, detailed, colorful, alive, real and up close as mine.  Also, I don't normally dream (or as they put it, don't remember my dreams), let alone in vivid detail and as sequentially as the way time flows in our normal waking life. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

I believe there's this multiverse thing to consider...  at least cutting edge physics does.  The quaint belief in our reality being "the only real one" and anything from outside it just a figment of our imagination, subconscious, etc., seems to be scientifically obsolete.  In the heyday of "scientific materialism" (a Marxist invention) they didn't have enough physics to refute it.  Now it looks like they do...  but who wants to rock the boat.  

 

It does ... but only 'one way'  ... into the future , with 'science' .  That seems to hold the 'ultimate view' , yet from an anthropological perspective , our view on 'reality' is a very recent 'flash in the pan' - the immense collation of view and knowledge of  so much of our past views are 'swept aside' , and the recent view is held supreme .

[snowymountains]

20 minutes ago, ronko said:

 

Sure, inter-dimensional dream time was just my way of naming something that was more than a dream, something that takes place on an energetic level with beings who are non physical, these days I just call it dreamtime,  its my belief ( and a lot of other people, including masters and teachers) that a lot of beings we encounter  in dreamtime are real entity's with their own consciousness.

 

 

( I left out the other stuff and Vallee, whose books are very good, been following him for decades)

 

My course was kind of inverse treating thought forms in isolation, as ultimately I don't know if they have anything to do with Vallee's UFO research.

Then see if they're sentient or feel more "preprogrammed", in my experience they're the later.

By preprogrammed I mean more akin to a collection of thoughts/not having consciousness.

Then try to see if extending the scope ( even by a lot ) of known mechanisms thought forms can be explained.

 

There exist mechanisms where people project emotions onto others, there's a good chance you've experienced that but if not, it's a phenomenon validated in the lab ( cause is not fully known , maybe it's mirror neurons). This projection btw happens mostly unconsciously.

 

Now entering the speculative realm, if thoughts could too be projected unconsciously, thought forms we meet at dreamtime could be something which was projected onto us through eg a random social interaction. The other person could well not be conscious of that collection of thoughts, maybe someone projected it onto them etc.

This is speculative too of course, as thought projections is not something validated to exist, but kind of simpler in that it only requires an extension to a known mechanism to be possible.

 

[S:C]

18 minutes ago, snowymountains said:

( Let's not enter the discussion as to what it is, got no clue really)

On second thought: please ignore.

Edited March 4 by S:C

[snowymountains]

24 minutes ago, ronko said:

 

If there is physical beings coming to this planet who can say what their mindset is , maybe they don't see experimenting on humans as a bad thing the same way we don't think of it regarding animals.

 

 

The question is what we project onto a being we don't recognise ( regardless of whether real or perceived, and if real what they really are ), Jung's book is very interesting on that topic.

[snowymountains]

3 minutes ago, S:C said:

If it was flying over US military bases in Irak, isn’t it the most probable, that it is a (costumed) drone out there to spy and maybe create damage? 

 

AARO hasn't explained it ( they must had examined the drone option ), the video has not been debunked either ( as being a camera artefact or a fake ).

 

So, no clue what it is.

[Nungali]

4 minutes ago, snowymountains said:

 

Fyi in case you're interested - John Mack, a Harvard professor of psychiatry, has a whole book on what you say on shamanic experiences and UFOs, I haven't read it yet but I heard it's very good.

 

Thanks !  I will have a look .   I read a book years back , whose title or author I can remember , it was very good and tracked the changes in human early  technology through to modern and correlated them with  changing  over time in religious , philosophical , metaphorical imagery  used in those times , very interesting .

 

4 minutes ago, snowymountains said:

 

Re jellyfish UFO video from US military 

 

( Let's not enter the discussion as to what it is, got no clue really)

There may be better vids on this, just picked the first one 

 

Two nights back I had a revelation into 'what it really is '  ... WOW !   But it was my own 'really is'   - something I saw , not a jellyfish .

 

But I was determined to find out  'what it was' .

 

The weirdness was also due to the timing and other things occurring at that time .  It was  not in the dream world  though wide awake , so if  Stimpy will forgive me :

 

It was at the end of a three day 'Cultural Revival festival' I had helped organise on our riverside festival site , to bring forward the local indigenous culture . It was a very significant event  ( whose significance  was lost on most people - but not the indigenous - they where blown away - an elder took me aside and ' You know this is the only time and the first time  anyone has invited us back to our land, asked us to stay on it for a while and teach them our culture and ways  .. ever" .  - there is a recent  history  here regarding  massacres of the indigenous  )  and the energy was pumped up , as it is in every festival we have had  here , but this had some interesting indigenous energy input ( eg 300 people  being shown how to do the 'Rainbow Serpent Dance ' and then doing it in unison  with a huge 300 person 'snake'  winding its way across the field ... and other similar things) .   ANYWAY ...

 

At the end I am sitting in a shade structure talking to a group of elderly Aboriginal men .... for some time . I got up to stretch , took a step out from under the structure and looked up and saw something that I somehow knew, from its trajectory and flight was on a re-entry path (or an 'entry path' ? ) ie. dropping down while angled nose up  , that looked like a huge metal eagle or bird of pray (from my pov)   - I never seen anything like that before .  I called out for others to come and look quickly but they missed it . Some of the old Aboriginal men asked me to describe it , its direction, etc . They seem mystified and a bit spooked .I searched for that bloody thing for ages ! Scanned sites UFO forums etc . People offered lots of things but nothing fitted  .  Then after 15 years or so, the other night I saw it on tv s 'Impossible Engineering '

 

Its a friggin re-enty pod  'air boat ' thing  ... supposedly an idea from the 60s that was never used ???? , But I saw it years back   , way after the 60s   , it gets lift from fuselage and not wigs

 

 

It detaches into two bits

 

 

  

 

It may have been the 'underpart' with the stabiliser fins attached  - there are a few different modified versions of it .

 

But what the hell is doing coming in for a landing around here ?  I calculated roughly from its path  where it might be heading ... we do have an air base there somewhere , so I looked up ... yep, that would be it .

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAAF_Base_Williamtown#Units

 

 

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, ronko said:

I have a lot of vivid dreams and a lot of dreams where I encounter beings of various sorts, some are so real and intense that I want to associate more meaning to them than they deserve, others are so emotional its like a long lost lover or a deceased family member coming to see me, so much so that I will wake up with tears pouring down my face.

 

I do believe we have inter-dimensional dream time and the more energetically advanced we become the more frequent these happen.

I firmly believe the beings we encounter during these encounters are real.

 

One of the most intense dream time encounters I had was a very sexual and very intense experience , I even woke up a couple of times during it and could still feel the beings around me in a circle, this experience was full of the most amazing colours and landscapes with music that was so beautiful and absolutely otherworldly.

In the last song the beings sang, some of the lyrics really stuck in my head so when it was all over I immediately went on the computer and typed it in only to find something that blew my mind and proved for me that it had being A real encounter.

 

The most full on alien being I have experienced in dreamtime wasn't too long ago actually and it was so foreign to my mind, so alien that it freaked me right out, this being just felt so immense in power and its voice was that low it was in the frequency range of sub bass, it actually spoke sub bass , that just blew my mind.

 

 

 

What a tease !

 

You are not going to tell us ?

[Taomeow]

By the way, Turritopsis dohrnii, also known as the immortal jellyfish, is really biologically immortal.  It can still die if a predator eats and digests it, but barring such adversity, it doesn't care if it gets damaged, sick, or old -- it has a mechanism whereby it will just revert to its baby state and start all over, young, healthy and fit.  I see quite a few possibilities there...  If I were a very advanced civilization, building vehicles based on this mechanism would definitely occur to me. 

[TomBrad]

A UFO researcher I was friends with in the 90s had aliens coming in through the walls when she was actually wide awake.  She was so frightened she and her husband hid in a cupboard until they left.

[Nungali]

36 minutes ago, snowymountains said:

 

The question is what we project onto a being we don't recognise ( regardless of whether real or perceived, and if real what they really are ), Jung's book is very interesting on that topic.

 

Aboriginal description of  sailing boat coming over the horizon , a longboat leaving the ship with men rowing it to shore and a landing on a beach ;

 

I cloud appeared at the edge of the sea  (sails ) and got closer, it was  a few clouds together with a large fish or whale under it . It had a water insect riding on it at it got off and walked over the water to the shore (men rowing the boat )  , when it did some men who where riding on its back got off . They might have been spirits as their skins where white .  One if us threw a spear at them to see what would happen , if they where spirits ,  but they bled red blood .

 

[Nungali]

41 minutes ago, snowymountains said:

 

AARO hasn't explained it ( they must had examined the drone option ), the video has not been debunked either ( as being a camera artefact or a fake ).

 

So, no clue what it is.

 

It looks like something from the SFX team from 'District 9 ' .

[Nungali]

13 minutes ago, TomBrad said:

A UFO researcher I was friends with in the 90s had aliens coming in through the walls when she was actually wide awake.  She was so frightened she and her husband hid in a cupboard until they left.

 

Yes, it is a well known fact from ' UFO researchers ' that  mere walls are no barrier at al for aliens .... however , a cupboard  .....

 

 

 

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Edited March 4 by Nungali

[TomBrad]

It's like that story about a scholar being obsessed by dragons, the dragon king gets to hear about it and decides to honour the scholar by sending a real live dragon to his house.  Whereupon the scholar dies of fright after catching a glimpse of it. 

Edited March 5 by TomBrad
Typo

[Nungali]

7 hours ago, snowymountains said:

 

Fyi in case you're interested - John Mack, a Harvard professor of psychiatry, has a whole book on what you say on shamanic experiences and UFOs, I haven't read it yet but I heard it's very good.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/articles/199403/the-harvard-professor-the-ufos

 

How interesting !   ( this bit *  ) .  Now, I know the guy's rep  and professionalism and acclaim  but still ....

 

He is a proponent of hypnotic regression  (and in case one does realise , this has had a really bad rap and resulted in  a lot of pain for some , eg 'Ritual Abuse - supposedly 'satanic' , and sexual abuse ,  kids removed from parents , parents charged , father charged with sexual assault of his own kids, later proved to be false and thrown out of court .... actually, a few decades back , you would not believe the level this got to  with some British  ritual abuse claims , they even got government support and the 'confiscated' kids delivered to them ... which they abused themselves !  - yes I can supply the references to all of it )   and that type of regression is well known in 'abductee circles ' .

 

A few snips from the article :

 

 " Hopkins' reliability began to crumble like old cake when he told me about the case of the decade, if not the century, which is the subject of his next book. A woman, Linda N., was abducted from her high rise in November of 1989 in lower Manhattan; Hopkins claims the abduction was witnessed by a woman driving over the Brooklyn Bridge a quarter of a mile away, and by two security officers driving former U.N. Secretary General Javier Perez de Cuellar (who refuses to admit this; nor are there records of his car stalling that night, as Hopkins claims).

 

Hopkins told me about this case at length. However, he managed to leave out a remarkable series of details, all of which are revealed in a 25-page study of the "incident" published by three independent UFO researchers, including a former special agent for the U.S. Army and a former security police specialist for the U.S. Air Force. According to the information they gathered from papers Hopkins wrote and talks with him personally, Linda said that the two security officers who supposedly witnessed her abduction later kidnapped her, asked her to remove her shoes to find out if she was an alien (they claimed aliens lack toes); and that one of the officers drove her to a beach house, asked her to put on a nightgown, and requested she have sex with him. She says he also tried to drown her and that at one point he wrote her saying he was in a mental hospital. Yet Linda never made an official complaint or contacted the police. The investigators note that these bizarre details of Linda's story--none of which Hopkins told me--turn out to be uncannily similar to a science fiction novel, Nighteyes, published a few months before Linda claimed to be abducted.' 

 

Hopkins is someone Mack sees as a pioneer in whose steps he follows .

 

" I asked him about the physical evidence: "Why aren't the ETs showing up on the White House lawn?"

His answer sounded like better sleight of hand than Freud himself, who invented the term "resistance" to fend off naysayers. "Is it real? Did it happen? That looks like an irreducible question. But the answer is, in what reality? Ours, or another reality? My hunch is that this is some new kind of entity that exists in a marginal place between the physical and the nonphysical. I would almost say this phenomenon, by its very nature, is trying to get us off the pure reliance on physical artifacts."

 

*  my emphasis , and this is what I find Very interesting as it it vary close to what I wrote about 3rd or 'Daimonic Reality'   (previously ejected here ... or at least disputed or ignored ).

 

Mack claims aliens come here on an environmental mission  (note earlier comments about this type of 'reality' seems congruent to the technological level and issues of the times) . Previously at height of cold war, they 'bugged' nuclear  missile bases .

 

" When I asked him what percentage of abductees come up with a new "Earth consciousness," he said percentages were not valid. "If I said half did, the other half may still come up with it. We just may not have gotten that far with them yet."

 

Eh  ? 

 

" I asked about his contention that these people lack pathology. He has given only four of nearly 80 clients any kind of psychological testing. No independent clinician has verified his statements of his patients' mental health. ...

 

" Mack, who "taught myself to do hypnosis in this work," here stands on shaky ground. Though scores of therapists around the country are happily in his camp--fully believing in repressed memories, and regressing patients who then come up with never-before-remembered stories ranging from ritual torturing of babies to copulation with aliens-- a furious backlash has begun. Many professionals are concerned that such work is a misuse of the power of the therapist. They are also alarmed that innocent individuals are being accused of unthinkable crimes, by patients who themselves have been utterly terrified by hypnotic "memories" they believe are real. Mack's use of hypnosis enrages some psychologists, because it opens a very dark Pandora's box.'

 

"Perhaps the most outspoken (of Mack's critics ) is Berkeley social psychologist Richard Ofshe, who shared a Pulitzer Prize in 1979 for his work in exposing the Synanon cult in California.... He's become a crusader against what he calls extreme forms of influence--from coerced police confessions to therapist-induced false memories retrieved in trance. He sees a direct and dangerous bridge between them, and doesn't exempt John Mack for a minute.

 

"If there's a certain brilliance in backing the trendiest wrong horses available, then John Mack has it," he comments. "He has made a stellar, absolutely impressive, world-class series of mistakes. First he was in bed with Sigmund Freud, and we are already beginning to see the obituary of Freud. Then he was in bed with Werner Erhard, another big-time loser. Now he's in bed with E.T.'s evil brother."

 

" Mack responds to all these protests with the helpless shrug of a man who is simply convinced of what he is seeing. "I know this sounds like hedging, but we don't know in what reality this occurs. False and true memory don't apply. This is powerfully real, but in what reality?" I asked him where he felt he belonged in the raging controversy over memory and abuse. Does he think memories of satanic abuse might be happening in an alternate reality? He postulated that indeed they might: "Perhaps those memories are experientially true but they didn't factually happen in this reality."

 

What .... the .... fuck ....     he previously claimed they where !   Experientially but not factually true ..... okay  .   

 

There is a good discussion i  this article about what is gong on in the world of hypnotic regression ; '

" ... Hypnosis expert Michael Yapko--whose textbook, Trancework (Brunner Mazel), is the leading book in the field--has equally strong words of caution. Yapko recently surveyed nearly 900 psychotherapists and found that "they are grossly misinformed about the nature of hypnosis." The great strength of hypnosis, says Yapko, is that under trance "you can accept and respond to a suggested reality. Therapists like Mack may be oblivious to the fact that they're creating the experiences they then have to treat. These phenomena are not arising independent of his influence."

 

Then there are some stories  about having the semen sucked out of a guys penis  ..... does the name 'succubus ' ring a bell ?

 

or for those that got 'probed'  try incubus  

 

 

 

[Nungali]

 

The other way around ;

 

 

 

A jellyfish that looks like a UFO

[Nungali]

"Transient luminous events  ' TLEs' of the upper atmosphere   - 'space jellyfish ' ;

 

            

[snowymountains]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

He is a proponent of hypnotic regression  (and in case one does realise , this has had a really bad rap   

 

Should only be done when there's a therapeutic reason for it and only by a qualified psychoanalyst who is also qualified in hypnosis. Tbh all regressions should be done exclusively in this setting.

 

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

. Does he think memories of satanic abuse might be happening in an alternate reality? He postulated that indeed they might: "Perhaps those memories are experientially true but they didn't factually happen in this reality."

 

What .... the .... fuck ....     he previously claimed they where !   Experientially but not factually true ..... okay  .   

 

This is very much possible, a series of events can be experientally true, in that they represent how someone experienced something but not factually true, in that an objective observer would had recorded a different series of events.

Hence for what people project onto UFOs I wrote "real or perceived", someone may eg perceive something as a UFO, while in reality it may be an earthly technological object, for them it will experientally be a UFO experience, even though there was no UFO.

Edited March 5 by snowymountains

[stirling]

On 3/2/2024 at 2:14 AM, snowymountains said:

Another question to ponder, and only you can determine that, is what did you project onto your Aliens, could be e.g. your perception of future humans, maybe some image from popular culture or maybe something entirely different, only you could tell, it was your dream.

 

In SOME chaos magic/Crowley circles it is said that ones "Holy Guardian Angel" is in fact the perfected "self" gently guiding the current "self" to enlightenment. Like ALL appearances in consciousness (including your own) it is good to allow them some provisional reality in the mind, but to hold our conceptual concretions around the story or meaning behind such things VERY lightly. My opinion.

 

In my experience "meaning" really only extends to what is present in the moment that you are experiencing a phenomena, and all real internal consistency arises WITH the appearance in that moment. The past/future story is just that... a story.

 

[stirling]

On 3/3/2024 at 2:48 PM, idiot_stimpy said:

Its interesting in the book Yeshe Lama, it states above those who have supreme accomplishment, will not dream. Those in the middle, their dreams will be lucid and those of the inferior, their dreams will be transformed into only positive dreams.

 

I am almost certain that what is meant by "lucid" in the "middle" here is not our standard lucid dreaming concept, where someone realizes that they are dreaming and finds that they are therefore in control. A realized "being" knows that free will is a delusion.

 

In my experience, being "lucid" in the dream in this case means that your "supreme accomplishment" is also true in sleep. What you are awake to is the same as what you are awake to in your daily life. So, all appearances in a dream are understood to be "empty" in the same way that they are during waking, therefore the dream is not taken seriously, and the flavor of the dream is almost always of a positive nature because karma and delusion no longer taint the quality of what arises. 

[Taomeow]

3 hours ago, stirling said:

A realized "being" knows that free will is a delusion.

 

I guess this leaves all of us taoists out in the cold, along with thousands of years of our  40/40/20 realization.  (40% predetermined/40% free will/20% left to chance).    

 

 

[Nungali]

13 hours ago, snowymountains said:

 

Should only be done when there's a therapeutic reason for it and only by a qualified psychoanalyst who is also qualified in hypnosis. Tbh all regressions should be done exclusively in this setting.

 

 

This is very much possible, a series of events can be experientally true, in that they represent how someone experienced something but not factually true, in that an objective observer would had recorded a different series of events.

Hence for what people project onto UFOs I wrote "real or perceived", someone may eg perceive something as a UFO, while in reality it may be an earthly technological object, for them it will experientally be a UFO experience, even though there was no UFO.

 

So in other words ;

 

'No it was not a UFO - you where mistaken '

 

 

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, stirling said:

 

In SOME chaos magic/Crowley circles it is said that ones "Holy Guardian Angel" is in fact the perfected "self" gently guiding the current "self" to enlightenment. Like ALL appearances in consciousness (including your own) it is good to allow them some provisional reality in the mind, but to hold our conceptual concretions around the story or meaning behind such things VERY lightly. My opinion.

 

In my experience "meaning" really only extends to what is present in the moment that you are experiencing a phenomena, and all real internal consistency arises WITH the appearance in that moment. The past/future story is just that... a story.

 

 

Have a look at   the drawing of the spirit 'LAM'   by Crowley who claimed to have contacted it .

 

 

 

 

[snowymountains]

50 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

So in other words ;

 

'No it was not a UFO - you where mistaken '

 

 

 

In the absence of UFO, someone may still have a UFO experience because of what they projected.

This doesn't exclude that encounters may exist, but not every genuinely perceived encounter need to be real.

 

[snowymountains]

47 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Have a look at   the drawing of the spirit 'LAM'   by Crowley who claimed to have contacted it .

 

 

 

 

 

Crowley believed he contacted a real being. This doesn't mean the being was real.

[Nungali]

Just now, snowymountains said:

 

Crowley believed he contacted a real being. This doesn't mean the being was real.

 

Nor am I inferring it was one way or the other /

 

That has nothing to do with what I am  inferring.

 

Look at the picture  ( I cant post pics from web on this site today, for some reason ., it wont allow them )

 

and consider when it was drawn , the subject matter of this thread and when 'grey aliens' first appeared in the modern records .