Is a nondual realisation equivalent to a kundalini activation?

[blue eyed snake]

On 30-9-2024 at 4:05 PM, forestofclarity said:

 

I also strongly suspect that there is an underlying change to the physio-energetic nervous system that allows this sort of expansion to be more accessible, even if not as colorful in future iterations. 

 

yes, although that change on the physical level may not be easily measurable, it opens ones system up for more. 

 

another thing that i lately found is that people are irked by the way their compliments slide off my back like water on a duck.

 

 

 

Edited October 2 by blue eyed snake
typo

[Sahaja]

 I’ve heard yogi’s describe what goes into raising kundalini and it’s sounds like an incredible amount of work and time (10 +years of difficult twice+ daily practices like  khecari and shakti chalini after many years perfecting very difficult asana like candasana, mulabandasana, bagasana, etc) Same with Neidan or even Bodhidharma’s method  (9 years  at the wall after a lot of pre work) Cave processes in Tibet sound pretty long and difficult as well.  I also have experienced how relatively easy it is  to centralize the energy  and move up the central channel to the top of the head in a pretty physical and dramatic way and a little beyond  (without using visualization or imagination).  I surmise the gulf between these experiences is quite vast whereas the description might not sound so different. Always makes me circumspect when I hear  terms like kundalini awakening. I believe there are many steps along the path where one’s concept of self and perception of reality is significantly challenged but these high end states are extremely rare  and likely are accompanied by quite significant siddhis that are evident in shared reality. 

 

[blue eyed snake]

3 hours ago, Sahaja said:

 I’ve heard yogi’s describe what goes into raising kundalini and it’s sounds like an incredible amount of work and time (10 +years of difficult twice+ daily practices like  khecari and shakti chalini after many years perfecting very difficult asana like candasana, mulabandasana, bagasana, etc) Same with Neidan or even Bodhidharma’s method  (9 years  at the wall after a lot of pre work) Cave processes in Tibet sound pretty long and difficult as well.

 

Yes, have read some of these stories as well.

 

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 I also have experienced how relatively easy it is  to centralize the energy  and move up the central channel to the top of the head in a pretty physical and dramatic way and a little beyond  (without using visualization or imagination).  I surmise the gulf between these experiences is quite vast whereas the description might not sound so different.

 

Agreeing there are vast differences between individual experiences

 

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Always makes me circumspect when I hear  terms like kundalini awakening. I believe there are many steps along the path where one’s concept of self and perception of reality is significantly challenged but these high end states are extremely rare  and likely are accompanied by quite significant siddhis that are evident in shared reality. 

 

 

One of the reasons you do not hear stories like mine might be the negative reaction they get.

• ooh, that's just Yang chi
• ah well, you just fiddled around with chi a bit and now you think you're awakened, hahaha
• relatively easy it is  to centralize the energy  and move up the central channel to the top of the head in a pretty physical and dramatic way and a little beyond

Now imagine you have a life changing event happening to you, even when it is "just a little yang chi" it can be life changing. You share it and get this sort of negative reaction. I do not think that is a good way to communicate about these sort of events. People who get this sort of reception won't share again so easily.

 

In my case, it's over a decade ago, 

rarely talk about it, coming from a lineage were the adagio is, do not talk, do not think about it, just do the training. The ideas or judgment of others do not concern me anymore. I know what I've been through.

Have decided I will talk before I pass away. I have no doubt whatsoever that it was a true kundalini experience, to this day I have visible physical changes to mark that event.

and those significant siddhis, that a lot of people deem so important, oh yes, they were there. But that is not the core of the experience. More like side-effects.

 

Guessing there is a whole range to grow into in this department, i am but a small one, that's alright, i did not want it anyway. Might grow further in a next life and again encounter people who tell me that kundalini awakenings can only happen after years of diligent training, thats oke, do your thing, i do mine.

I love being here on earth, to smell the grass, to talk with the trees and the little people, to submerge the body in the ocean. I do not get people who want to be immortal and leave the planet forever. The experience of the senses is a gift to be appreciated.

 

another thing is, most people you read about they wanted that experience, they worked for years with that as a goal, seems a bit counterproductive to cling so hard when you travel the road of letting go.

 

 

 

Edited October 2 by blue eyed snake
typo

[Sahaja]

My apologies. Didn’t mean to make you feel I was singling you out as there are many who have contributed to this thread and that are on this site that use the term kundalini much more liberally than I.