Maddie Posted May 11 35 minutes ago, Salvijus said: THE truth. The shared truth of all life. To the mouse that is trying to get the cheese to eat the cat seems evil because the cat is trying to kill it. To the cat the mouse that is trying to steal its owners cheese is evil. Who's truth is THE TRUTH? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted May 11 Just now, Maddie said: To the mouse that is trying to get the cheese to eat the cat seems evil because the cat is trying to kill it. To the cat the mouse that is trying to steal its owners cheese is evil. Who's truth is THE TRUTH? "illumined mind" that's what I meant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted May 11 Just now, Salvijus said: "illumined mind" that's what I meant. who's illuminated mind? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liminal_luke Posted May 11 Just now, Salvijus said: True true. Welcome your new best friend forever. Me Oh, if only that could be true, Salvijus. You´re a bit difficult to connect with but I haven´t entirely given up. We may get there yet. Not best buddies forever, perhaps, but companionable forum friends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted May 11 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Maddie said: who's illuminated mind? The universal mind. Edited May 11 by Salvijus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted May 11 (edited) 1 minute ago, liminal_luke said: Oh, if only that could be true, Salvijus. You´re a bit difficult to connect with but I haven´t entirely given up. We may get there yet. Not best buddies forever, perhaps, but companionable forum friends. We'ill get there. Hehe Edited May 11 by Salvijus 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted May 11 2 minutes ago, Maddie said: who's illuminated mind? Mind is one. There is no who's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted May 11 (edited) Mind in one vehicle(body) can be corrupt/distorted/deluded by impurities and in another vehicle be free from ignorance. Aka, illumined mind. But it's all the same one mind. Edited May 11 by Salvijus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted May 11 (edited) I could say all existence is the mind of God and when mind is illumined. God recognizes itself in that vehicle for what it is - pure joy, love and peace. But not everyone likes that kind of terminology here. Edited May 11 by Salvijus 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted May 11 (edited) Well I guess this was fun. Another good day full of fun moments Tcare yall. I'm out for now ✌️ Edited May 11 by Salvijus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted May 11 4 minutes ago, Salvijus said: I could say all existence is the mind of God and when mind is illumined. God recognizes itself in that vehicle for what it is - pure joy, love and peace. But not everyone likes that kind of terminology here. What if one does not believe in God? Or a Universal mind? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jadespear Posted May 11 ...its pretty amusing to see how much of all this is basically nothing. ... people wanting to be paid attention to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted May 11 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Jadespear said: ...its pretty amusing to see how much of all this is basically nothing. ... people wanting to be paid attention to. projecting a bit maybe? lol (since you're posting a response on a public forum and all) Edited May 11 by Maddie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted May 11 10 hours ago, Salvijus said: So why would you call "new level of self acceptance" - "transformation of identity"? No transformation of identity is happening when you accept your identity fully. The term trans need not be used at all then Only when they decide to follow up with physical transformation ... which seems to support ( the depth of ) your idea . I think you and Luke are looking at the same thing but from different angles ( as I get both opinions ) . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted May 11 10 hours ago, liminal_luke said: I, of all people, should probably not speak for the transgender community, so I won´t. Except to say that I believe the change in one´s relationship to identity is the main thing. After transition, a person outwardly embraces what they know on the inside to be true. . This change in relationship to self is often, but not always, accompanied by changes in appearance. That is my understanding. So that is a change of appearance ... is it not ? is not the 'change in relationship to self' more a change in relationship OF self regarding others perceptions ? Something like this ; I have always thought I was a woman (no change ) . After a while I accepted that and gave up trying to appear as a man ( which could be behavioral, fashionable (transvest ) or physical so I changed my appearance (but not my internal identity ) I suppose what Maddie and Luke are suggesting is ; I didnt realize I was actually woman , I lived with the 'inside impression' supported by the outside society that I was man . Then I came to realize I was a woman in a man's body .. so I had to change my internal perception of myself .... and then I changed my appearance . Am I any where close ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted May 11 7 hours ago, surrogate corpse said: jiujitsu is, as we all know, all about using force generated from within yourself to impose your will on another 👁️ Oh ? I didnt know that at all . I thought it was about using the others force and blending yours with it , so as not to let them impose their will on you . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted May 11 5 hours ago, Salvijus said: True true. Welcome your new best friend forever. Me Jeeze ! Luke , you be havin a sea lion with you forever now . 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liminal_luke Posted May 12 15 minutes ago, Nungali said: Am I any where close ? I dunno. It took a long time but I´m finally out of opinions. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surrogate corpse Posted May 12 11 minutes ago, Nungali said: Oh ? I didnt know that at all . I thought it was about using the others force and blending yours with it , so as not to let them impose their will on you . yes, that's the joke ; ) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted May 12 5 hours ago, Maddie said: To the mouse that is trying to get the cheese to eat the cat seems evil because the cat is trying to kill it. To the cat the mouse that is trying to steal its owners cheese is evil. Who's truth is THE TRUTH? Certainly not the second one. Cats could not care less about 'owner's cheese' . I could go to my friends place , take some cheese show it to the cat and 'Look, owner's cheese! " and throw it to the floor and stomp on it, right in cats face . And then rob their house . ... smash up the furniture , smear their walls with shit and ..... Ooops, I might have got a bit carried away there .... anyway , cat would not care . But if I dangled their pet beloved mouse in front of cat .... swoop . Not because mouse is evil ,,, but it be a furry little twitchy thing that I will pounce on and rip apart ( I am being a cat now ) not because I am even hungry , but because .... it fun ! Truth is ..... 'cats are just plain evil ' . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted May 12 5 hours ago, Jadespear said: ...its pretty amusing to see how much of all this is basically nothing. ... people wanting to be paid attention to. Oh right .... forgot about you . You went off ..... but then came back to announce how people need attention . 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted May 12 13 minutes ago, Nungali said: I could go to my friends place , take some cheese show it to the cat and 'Look, owner's cheese! " and throw it to the floor and stomp on it, right in cats face . And then rob their house . ... smash up the furniture , smear their walls with shit and ..... What was the outcome of the lawsuit? 😂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted May 12 6 minutes ago, Maddie said: What was the outcome of the lawsuit? 😂 No law suit . I blamed it on their cat . 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted May 12 (edited) 9 hours ago, Maddie said: What if one does not believe in God? Or a Universal mind? Illumination of the mind still exists. It's not necessary to believe in anything to understand that ignorance can be illumined. Edited May 12 by Salvijus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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