Transgender Q&A

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

1 minute ago, Maddie said:

 

I'm usually too busy and/or tired for glow-ups but I dabble lol.

Don’t worry bout it. Speaking for my self, I tend to find natural beauty and charm way more attractive than people to concerned about makeup and impressing others. Just in case: I am not at all suggesting you do that

[Maddie]

1 minute ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

Don’t worry bout it. Speaking for my self, I tend to find natural beauty and charm way more attractive than people to concerned about makeup and impressing others. Just in case: I am not at all suggesting you do that

 

I agree but now and then its fun to get made up 

 

Usually no bodies got the time or energy for that lol. 

[Maddie]

Congress just passed a bill banning more transgender care for youth. There is so much misinformation about this topic and about trans people in sports that I thought I would address it and open things up for questions.

 

Some common (and often ridiculous) misinformation about transgender youth care is that minors are getting sex changing surgery and being pressured or "groomed" into being trans. This is of course non-sense, as it simply is not the case and does not happen but people don't fact check these days so here I am talking about it. 

   Often there is concern about puberty blockers causing permanent damage to trans kids, but the truth is that if they are taken for no more than two years there is no permanent changes done and it gives the kid, the parents, and medical professionals time to asses if this indeed a real issue that needs further treatment. 

  The disadvantage to not using puberty blockers is that the suicide and self harm rates for transgendered youth are 40%. This is a serious issue.

 

In regards to trans people in sports there is again a lot of misinformation. The answer to this issue is nuanced. In the more commonly scrutinized situation of mtf (male to female) transwomen participating in women's sports it is important to understand that if a trans woman has been on hrt (hormone replacement therapy) for approximately two years then her hormone levels and therefore muscular strength are the same as any other cis woman's on average and therefore she has no inherent advantage. 

 

 I realize there is a lot of confusion in regards to these two issues, so if anyone has follow up questions that I did not answer in this post please feel free to ask. 

[Mark Foote]

1 hour ago, Maddie said:

 

... it is important to understand that if a trans woman has been on hrt (hormone replacement therapy) for approximately two years then her hormone levels and therefore muscular strength are the same as any other cis woman's on average...

 

Can you quote a source on that?  I'd love to be able to cite it, with friends.

 

 

[Maddie]

2 minutes ago, Mark Foote said:

Can you quote a source on that?  I'd love to be able to cite it, with friends.

 

 

 

I will definitely find a source for you on that in a little while as I'm about to drive but I can tell you that in my own personal experience that it's definitely the case. My 16-year-old exchange student and niece both beat me arm wrestling LOL. I'll get you a more legitimate source in a little bit though.

[Maddie]

2 hours ago, Mark Foote said:

Can you quote a source on that?  I'd love to be able to cite it, with friends.

 

 

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33648944/

 

 

https://cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review

 

 

https://nwlc.org/once-and-for-all-this-is-why-we-support-trans-women-and-girls-in-sports/

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Maddie

[Maddie]

 

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[Mark Foote]

On 12/13/2024 at 3:41 PM, Maddie said:

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33648944/

 

 

https://cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review

 

 

https://nwlc.org/once-and-for-all-this-is-why-we-support-trans-women-and-girls-in-sports/

 

 

 

 

That first study cites a significant loss of strength in trans women, but:

 

Conclusion: In transwomen, hormone therapy rapidly reduces Hgb to levels seen in cisgender women. In contrast, hormone therapy decreases strength, LBM and muscle area, yet values remain above that observed in cisgender women, even after 36 months. These findings suggest that strength may be well preserved in transwomen during the first 3 years of hormone therapy.

 

I'll read on...

[Mark Foote]

On 12/13/2024 at 3:41 PM, Maddie said:

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33648944/

 

 

https://cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review

 

 

https://nwlc.org/once-and-for-all-this-is-why-we-support-trans-women-and-girls-in-sports/

 

 

 

Second one cites difficulties, but supports a finding of no difference:

 

Key Findings

Key Biomedical Findings

1. Biological data are severely limited, and often methodologically flawed.
2. There is limited evidence regarding the impact of testosterone suppression (through, for example, gender-affirming hormone therapy or surgical gonad removal) on transgender women athletes’ performance.
3. Available evidence indicates trans women who have undergone testosterone suppression have no clear biological advantages over cis women in elite sport.

 

Third link, same folks as the second link, making clear they recommend inclusion until there are facts to suggest unfairness:
 

The authors recommend that all reasonable efforts should be made to make sport inclusive and accessible for transgender individuals. They conclude that there is no firm basis available in evidence to indicate that trans women have a consistent and measurable overall performance benefit after 12 months of testosterone suppression.
 

“This literature review makes it clear that we need more scientific data derived from methodologically sound research focused on trans women athletes to build a foundation of solid evidence and to ultimately guide policy recommendations. The review suggests that sports should support inclusion of trans women in the female category in sport until there is robust and peer-reviewed evidence that it is not safe or fair for other competitors,” said Paul Melia, CCES president and CEO.

 

Not enough evidence to say, and lacking evidence, they recommend inclusion.  Ok.

Thanks, Maddie.

 

Edited Sunday at 01:43 AM by Mark Foote

[blue eyed snake]

a bit of history, Dutch but googletranslate or such will help you out.

 

Foekje Dillema, they say I am not a girl

 

https://www.gendergeschiedenis.nl/gendergeschiedenis/dossiers/224-ze-zeggen-dat-ik-geen-meid-ben-de-schorsing-van-foekje-dillema