Transgender Q&A

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

1 minute ago, Maddie said:

 

I'm usually too busy and/or tired for glow-ups but I dabble lol.

Don’t worry bout it. Speaking for my self, I tend to find natural beauty and charm way more attractive than people to concerned about makeup and impressing others. Just in case: I am not at all suggesting you do that

[Maddie]

1 minute ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

Don’t worry bout it. Speaking for my self, I tend to find natural beauty and charm way more attractive than people to concerned about makeup and impressing others. Just in case: I am not at all suggesting you do that

 

I agree but now and then its fun to get made up 

 

Usually no bodies got the time or energy for that lol. 

[Maddie]

Congress just passed a bill banning more transgender care for youth. There is so much misinformation about this topic and about trans people in sports that I thought I would address it and open things up for questions.

 

Some common (and often ridiculous) misinformation about transgender youth care is that minors are getting sex changing surgery and being pressured or "groomed" into being trans. This is of course non-sense, as it simply is not the case and does not happen but people don't fact check these days so here I am talking about it. 

   Often there is concern about puberty blockers causing permanent damage to trans kids, but the truth is that if they are taken for no more than two years there is no permanent changes done and it gives the kid, the parents, and medical professionals time to asses if this indeed a real issue that needs further treatment. 

  The disadvantage to not using puberty blockers is that the suicide and self harm rates for transgendered youth are 40%. This is a serious issue.

 

In regards to trans people in sports there is again a lot of misinformation. The answer to this issue is nuanced. In the more commonly scrutinized situation of mtf (male to female) transwomen participating in women's sports it is important to understand that if a trans woman has been on hrt (hormone replacement therapy) for approximately two years then her hormone levels and therefore muscular strength are the same as any other cis woman's on average and therefore she has no inherent advantage. 

 

 I realize there is a lot of confusion in regards to these two issues, so if anyone has follow up questions that I did not answer in this post please feel free to ask. 

[Mark Foote]

1 hour ago, Maddie said:

 

... it is important to understand that if a trans woman has been on hrt (hormone replacement therapy) for approximately two years then her hormone levels and therefore muscular strength are the same as any other cis woman's on average...

 

Can you quote a source on that?  I'd love to be able to cite it, with friends.

 

 

[Maddie]

2 minutes ago, Mark Foote said:

Can you quote a source on that?  I'd love to be able to cite it, with friends.

 

 

 

I will definitely find a source for you on that in a little while as I'm about to drive but I can tell you that in my own personal experience that it's definitely the case. My 16-year-old exchange student and niece both beat me arm wrestling LOL. I'll get you a more legitimate source in a little bit though.

[Maddie]

2 hours ago, Mark Foote said:

Can you quote a source on that?  I'd love to be able to cite it, with friends.

 

 

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33648944/

 

 

https://cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review

 

 

https://nwlc.org/once-and-for-all-this-is-why-we-support-trans-women-and-girls-in-sports/

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Maddie

[Maddie]

 

[Maddie]

 

 

[Mark Foote]

On 12/13/2024 at 3:41 PM, Maddie said:

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33648944/

 

 

https://cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review

 

 

https://nwlc.org/once-and-for-all-this-is-why-we-support-trans-women-and-girls-in-sports/

 

 

 

 

That first study cites a significant loss of strength in trans women, but:

 

Conclusion: In transwomen, hormone therapy rapidly reduces Hgb to levels seen in cisgender women. In contrast, hormone therapy decreases strength, LBM and muscle area, yet values remain above that observed in cisgender women, even after 36 months. These findings suggest that strength may be well preserved in transwomen during the first 3 years of hormone therapy.

 

I'll read on...

[Mark Foote]

On 12/13/2024 at 3:41 PM, Maddie said:

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33648944/

 

 

https://cces.ca/transgender-women-athletes-and-elite-sport-scientific-review

 

 

https://nwlc.org/once-and-for-all-this-is-why-we-support-trans-women-and-girls-in-sports/

 

 

 

Second one cites difficulties, but supports a finding of no difference:

 

Key Findings

Key Biomedical Findings

1. Biological data are severely limited, and often methodologically flawed.
2. There is limited evidence regarding the impact of testosterone suppression (through, for example, gender-affirming hormone therapy or surgical gonad removal) on transgender women athletes’ performance.
3. Available evidence indicates trans women who have undergone testosterone suppression have no clear biological advantages over cis women in elite sport.

 

Third link, same folks as the second link, making clear they recommend inclusion until there are facts to suggest unfairness:
 

The authors recommend that all reasonable efforts should be made to make sport inclusive and accessible for transgender individuals. They conclude that there is no firm basis available in evidence to indicate that trans women have a consistent and measurable overall performance benefit after 12 months of testosterone suppression.
 

“This literature review makes it clear that we need more scientific data derived from methodologically sound research focused on trans women athletes to build a foundation of solid evidence and to ultimately guide policy recommendations. The review suggests that sports should support inclusion of trans women in the female category in sport until there is robust and peer-reviewed evidence that it is not safe or fair for other competitors,” said Paul Melia, CCES president and CEO.

 

Not enough evidence to say, and lacking evidence, they recommend inclusion.  Ok.

Thanks, Maddie.

 

Edited January 12 by Mark Foote

[blue eyed snake]

a bit of history, Dutch but googletranslate or such will help you out.

 

Foekje Dillema, they say I am not a girl

 

https://www.gendergeschiedenis.nl/gendergeschiedenis/dossiers/224-ze-zeggen-dat-ik-geen-meid-ben-de-schorsing-van-foekje-dillema

[Maddie]

Section 1.  Purpose.  Across the country, ideologues who deny the biological reality of sex have increasingly used legal and other socially coercive means to permit men to self-identify as women and gain access to intimate single-sex spaces and activities designed for women, from women’s domestic abuse shelters to women’s workplace showers.  This is wrong.  Efforts to eradicate the biological reality of sex fundamentally attack women by depriving them of their dignity, safety, and well-being.  The erasure of sex in language and policy has a corrosive impact not just on women but on the validity of the entire American system.  Basing Federal policy on truth is critical to scientific inquiry, public safety, morale, and trust in government itself.

This unhealthy road is paved by an ongoing and purposeful attack against the ordinary and longstanding use and understanding of biological and scientific terms, replacing the immutable biological reality of sex with an internal, fluid, and subjective sense of self unmoored from biological facts.  Invalidating the true and biological category of “woman” improperly transforms laws and policies designed to protect sex-based opportunities into laws and policies that undermine them, replacing longstanding, cherished legal rights and values with an identity-based, inchoate social concept…….

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

[Jenn]

It's scary enough right now as a cis woman, I can't imagine what you are going through.

 

Hold on to knowledge that not everyone is full of hate, even if it feels like it is everyone now. Hate screams the loudest, love and hope may be quieter, but are the only things that can never be extinguished, and will always endure.

 

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And block that turd on every site you use and stop using sites where you can't block articles by either topic or person, no need to be triggered by that hate stare going about your daily life while in the height of all this. Ad blockers help too and not using social media. Youtube's "not interested" flag is surprisingly effective at permanently clearing unwanted videos and topics from your recommendations / homepage - just flag all the unwanted ones you see when you use the site and you should stop seeing any after 2-3 goes. If you must check what is going on, do it during defined, limited periods of time when you are in a solid frame of mind. Keep your energy/mind/spirit safe to nourish yourself. 

Edited Wednesday at 01:31 AM by Jenn

[Maddie]

I still try to smile

[Maddie]

 

 

 

[Sanity Check]

Trump Bars Transgender Women From U.S. Prisons for Female Inmates

 

President Trump has ordered federal prisons to house inmates who are transgender women in men’s facilities and halt medical treatments related to gender transition.

 

The move was part of a wide-ranging executive order issued by Mr. Trump on his first day in office meant to limit government recognition of an individual’s gender to their sex at birth.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/23/us/trump-transgender-inmates-prison.html

 

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Unless there were serious issues with the status quo.

 

Trump should veto this asap.

[Maddie]

 

[Maddie]

On 1/24/2025 at 1:29 AM, Sanity Check said:

Trump Bars Transgender Women From U.S. Prisons for Female Inmates

 

President Trump has ordered federal prisons to house inmates who are transgender women in men’s facilities and halt medical treatments related to gender transition.

 

The move was part of a wide-ranging executive order issued by Mr. Trump on his first day in office meant to limit government recognition of an individual’s gender to their sex at birth.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/23/us/trump-transgender-inmates-prison.html

 

......

 

 

Unless there were serious issues with the status quo.

 

Trump should veto this asap.

 

Where are all the people saying he was just talking now?

[Maddie]

 

 

[liminal_luke]

Many transgender people are understandably shocked and dismayed by Trump´s recent executive orders. When things seem dark, I think it´s good to remember and hold on to points of light.  Some feared things have not happened.  Trans folks are not being rounded up by the government and killed.  With the exception of those in prison, gender-affirming care remains available for adults.  The vast majority of people are happy to call people by whatever pronouns they prefer.  (Or at least this seems true to me -- perhaps I live in a magical fairy kingdom?)  If a Bum purposely misgenders another Bum here with intent to hurt, the moderators are likely to take immediate and decisive action.  

 

No matter what happens politically, we all have the right to affirm to ourselves what we find to be true.  I know my gender and nobody can take that knowledge away from me.  Reality is reality.  Trump doesn´t have the power to change reality no matter what.

Edited 2 hours ago by liminal_luke

[Maddie]

14 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

Many transgender people are understandably shocked and dismayed by Trump´s recent executive orders. When things seem dark, I think it´s good to remember and hold on to points of light.  Some feared things have not happened.  Trans folks are not being rounded up by the government and killed.  With the exception of those in prison, gender-affirming care remains available for adults.  The vast majority of people are happy to call people by whatever pronouns they prefer.  (Or at least this seems true to me -- perhaps I live in a magical fairy kingdom?)  If a Bum purposely misgenders another Bum here with intent to hurt, the moderators are likely to take immediate and decisive action.  

 

No matter what happens politically, we all have the right to affirm to ourselves what we find to be true.  I know my gender and nobody can take that knowledge away from me.  Reality is reality.  Trump doesn´t have the power to change reality no matter what.

 

I honestly think you're a nice person and I don't think anyone denies that but it's only been a week and I think such a viewpoint is extremely naive.

[Maddie]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFSv8lFvspq/?igsh=ejB3bXBudmw0MnBi

 

Watch this link in case you think it stops with trans kids. Watch this link if you think it hasn't been so bad after 1 week.