Boaz and Jachin

[blue eyed snake]

i wonder about Boaz and Jachin, I mean, I know about the  story of the temple pillars, the easy to find stuff.

 

But sometimes I wonder about it, what do these symbolize, is there any relation with all the energetic stuff that is surrounding the fleshbody?

 

not looking for "truth" but for some insights and associations from better educated bums then me.

 

Maybe @Nungali  has something for me

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, blue eyed snake said:

i wonder about Boaz and Jachin, I mean, I know about the  story of the temple pillars, the easy to find stuff.

 

But sometimes I wonder about it, what do these symbolize, is there any relation with all the energetic stuff that is surrounding the fleshbody?

 

not looking for "truth" but for some insights and associations from better educated bums then me.

 

Maybe @Nungali  has something for me

 

The 'traditional' Jewish 'energetic stuff ' is way beyond me (in that I am not  Jewish - and even if I where it is highly esoteric and only available to a few traditional specialists  , as traditional kabalah is ) .  The more 'obvious' stuff is based on hermetic kabbalah  and mostly comes from the Golden Dawn and similar  ( eg. when some of the GD members started studying and practicing Buddhism  and yoga ) and correlated chakra systems with the idea of projecting the Tree of Life of the Kabbalah on to the human anatomy .

 

The three main pillars on the Tree of Life  ( Boaz and Jachin  on the outside ) - when projected on to the body - seem to relate to the three main nadis . There are hermetic / magick  practices  relating to the middle one ( Middle Pillar ), but I dont know of any being related to the outside two .  ( See 'Middle PIllar' by Israel Regardie .  )

 

For me their value lies in their symbology and the associated 'knowledge lectures' that incorporate them ; its about balance, especially the balance between  'mercy and severity '  ;

 

Unbalanced severity is  cruelty which leads to oppression but unbalanced mercy allows and abets evil to exist .  It seems an unfortunate requirement of the general  human nature  .

[blue eyed snake]

thank you _/|\_

 

 

Spoiler

 

[idiot_stimpy]

The pillars represent duality. To enter the temple one must walk between the pillars. 

 

The point between two poles is the centre point. To stay at the centre one must be in perfect balance. 

 

So to enter the temple of the divine one must be in perfect balance.

 

Undifferentiated awareness available right now and effortlessly existing is by it's nature perfectly balanced. 

 

When one is led to follow the discriminating mind, labelling things as discrete objects within awareness we fall out of the centre and into duality. 

 

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The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth. The named is the mother of ten thousand things. Ever desireless, one can see the mystery. Ever desiring, one can see the manifestations. These two spring from the same source but differ in name; This appears as darkness. Darkness within darkness. The gate to all mystery.

 

[blue eyed snake]

10 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

The 'traditional' Jewish 'energetic stuff ' is way beyond me (in that I am not  Jewish - and even if I where it is highly esoteric and only available to a few traditional specialists  , as traditional kabalah is ) .  The more 'obvious' stuff is based on hermetic kabbalah  and mostly comes from the Golden Dawn and similar  ( eg. when some of the GD members started studying and practicing Buddhism  and yoga ) and correlated chakra systems with the idea of projecting the Tree of Life of the Kabbalah on to the human anatomy .

 

The three main pillars on the Tree of Life  ( Boaz and Jachin  on the outside ) - when projected on to the body - seem to relate to the three main nadis . There are hermetic / magick  practices  relating to the middle one ( Middle Pillar ), but I dont know of any being related to the outside two .  ( See 'Middle PIllar' by Israel Regardie .  )

 

Even the easy stuff is far beyond me and as usual your answer is perfect for what I was wondering. I thank you for being a pillar of wisdom 

 

Lately my awareness sometimes resides in the surrounding energy-field instead of in the flesh, that is a bit disorientating.

But also interesting, It feels like there are three pillars of light ( or something, jeez, this stuff is so weird to talk about)

one going straight through the fleshbody and 2 right behind me, one golden, the other dark blue.

 

sort of like the image on that book 

 

which answers my question, namely, there seem to be more people who perceive this as such.

 

( oh, and many years ago I awareness of those 2 pillars on the back arose, but as a set of 2, only now it becomes clear that it is a threesome)

 

10 hours ago, Nungali said:

For me their value lies in their symbology and the associated 'knowledge lectures' that incorporate them ; its about balance, especially the balance between  'mercy and severity '  ;

 

Unbalanced severity is  cruelty which leads to oppression but unbalanced mercy allows and abets evil to exist .  It seems an unfortunate requirement of the general  human nature  .

 

beautifully said and painfully true

_/|\_

 

[blue eyed snake]

25 minutes ago, idiot_stimpy said:

The pillars represent duality. To enter the temple one must walk between the pillars. 

 

The point between two poles is the centre point. To stay at the centre one must be in perfect balance. 

 

So to enter the temple of the divine one must be in perfect balance.

 

Undifferentiated awareness available right now and effortlessly existing is by it's nature perfectly balanced. 

 

When one is led to follow the discriminating mind, labelling things as discrete objects within awareness we fall out of the centre and into duality. 

 

 

 

 

thank you, the way you formulate this hits the centre 

[Apech]

On 4/20/2024 at 9:13 PM, blue eyed snake said:

i wonder about Boaz and Jachin, I mean, I know about the  story of the temple pillars, the easy to find stuff.

 

But sometimes I wonder about it, what do these symbolize, is there any relation with all the energetic stuff that is surrounding the fleshbody?

 

not looking for "truth" but for some insights and associations from better educated bums then me.

 

Maybe @Nungali  has something for me

 

The explanation I was given years ago - and dimly remembered was this.  Justice and Mercy.  There are two conditions one in which energy is limited and in short supply.  In this case everything is geared to assessing what is absolutely necessary to complete the task.  An assessment - an analysis of the situation which judges harshly exactly what is required and what is to be rejected.  How much energy and was resources, tools and such are needed to do the job.  This is Justice.  It Just Is.  So to speak.

 

The other condition is where energy is abundant - it overflows - is radiant - in this condition we imagine, dream, create and most importantly allow.  We are compassionate and lenient.  Mercy - which is not strained but dropeth like a gentle rain ... and so on.  This is sun-like.

 

The quality of mercy is not strained;
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
'T is mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown:
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's
When mercy seasons justice. Therefore, Jew,
Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
That, in the course of justice, none of us
Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy. I have spoke thus much
To mitigate the justice of thy plea;
Which if thou follow, this strict court of Venice
Must needs give sentence 'gainst the merchant there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

here is a modern view of the three pillars ;  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[blue eyed snake]

oh dear, I'd rather be old-fashioned.....

[S:C]

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

here is a modern view of the three pillars ;  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For whom is this relevant? Is it a ‚travel route’? Shouldn’t it be more like a cycle? I don’t think it’s linear, is it? 
A few symbols don’t explain themselves in this context…

Edited April 22 by S:C

[blue eyed snake]

On 21-4-2024 at 1:31 AM, Nungali said:

For me their value lies in their symbology and the associated 'knowledge lectures' that incorporate them ; its about balance, especially the balance between  'mercy and severity '  ;

 

Unbalanced severity is  cruelty which leads to oppression but unbalanced mercy allows and abets evil to exist .  It seems an unfortunate requirement of the general  human nature  .

 

 

13 hours ago, Apech said:

 

The explanation I was given years ago - and dimly remembered was this.  Justice and Mercy.  There are two conditions one in which energy is limited and in short supply.  In this case everything is geared to assessing what is absolutely necessary to complete the task.  An assessment - an analysis of the situation which judges harshly exactly what is required and what is to be rejected.  How much energy and was resources, tools and such are needed to do the job.  This is Justice.  It Just Is.  So to speak.

 

The other condition is where energy is abundant - it overflows - is radiant - in this condition we imagine, dream, create and most importantly allow.  We are compassionate and lenient.  Mercy - which is not strained but dropeth like a gentle rain ... and so on.  This is sun-like.

 

nice, how both of you, coming from different directions say the same, its about ( the balance) of mercy and justice.

 

One can also toy with language, in my language the word for mercy translates ( back and forth) as grace. Having been subjected to grace, as a stream of golden light descending into my fleshbody, yes, this is sunlike.

The word Justice hold the word straight in my language, straight to assessing what is absolutely necessary to complete the task.   that all fits nicely to my uneducated eyes.

 

further i was thinking of the high-priestess from the tarot, Boaz and Jachin are part of the picture (at least in the riderwaite version that i played with as a youngster) She holds the Torah

Justice holds 2 pillars too, but not named as such, he holds the traditinal symbols of judgment, the scales and the sword.

 

( @Nungali   is more fond of the Toth cards when I remember it well, but this set is what lives in my subconsciousness, the play as a youngster seems to have made quite an impression)

 

apart from other symbolic things, I see female for mercy and male for justice

 

 

 

the new vision cards give a look at the backside of things, i do like this version, it literally gives a new perspective.

the curtain  falls

also nice to see he interpretation of finding balance between justice and mercy.

 

 

 

[blue eyed snake]

6 hours ago, S:C said:

For whom is this relevant? Is it a ‚travel route’? Shouldn’t it be more like a cycle? I don’t think it’s linear, is it? 
A few symbols don’t explain themselves in this context…

 

ehm,

I took it as a veiled message that everything we can talk about is just symbols, trying but failing to convey underlaying reality.

 

or just a joke of course 

 

Spoiler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life_(Kabbalah)

 

 

[Nungali]

18 hours ago, S:C said:

For whom is this relevant?

 

Any Hermetic Kabbalist .

 

Is it a ‚travel route’?

 

Could be .

 

Shouldn’t it be more like a cycle?

 

It can be .  

 

I don’t think it’s linear, is it? 

 

Depends ;   there are the three pillars ¹  and the four worlds contained  within², they are  .... 'static'  not linear . It is also continuous in that the lowest sphere of one level is the  highest of the next lowest level ³, or the reverse of that  .  It is linear in consideration of certain energy flow  ; ' The Lightening flash ' ⁴ ... and  'circular' in that you go down through the spheres to come back up again⁵ .

 

A few symbols don’t explain themselves in this context…

 

Which ones ? 

 

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'Descent '   :

 

https://hermetic.com › texts › hermetica › hermes1

I. Poemandres, the Shepherd of Men - Hermetic Library

The Fall has here become the descent of the Primal Man through the spheres of the planets to the world of Nature, a descent caused not by disobedience but by love, and done with the blessing of God.

 

Ascending ;

 

( now the whole  loading thing has fucked up   - sigh .   I will have to sign out and come back  )

 

[Nungali]

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• https://www.skyscript.co.uk › 7bodies.html

  The Seven Bodies Of Man In Hermetic Astrology By Denis Labouré - Skyscript

  Soaring upward through the armature of spheres, it casts off at each station the passion assumed there in the course of its descent: at the 1st station (Moon), the faculty of increase and decrease; at the 2nd (Mercury), malice and cunning; at the 3rd (Venus), the illusion of desire; at the 4th (Sun),   etc .

   

   [ We can see the order of attributed planets to spheres on Tree is the same . ]

[Nungali]

11 hours ago, blue eyed snake said:

 

 

 

nice, how both of you, coming from different directions say the same, its about ( the balance) of mercy and justice.

 

I think my take is a little different ;  I see justice as the  principle  ( the 'dao' part ) and  mercy and severity as the polarities (the yin and the yang ) .  Justice is cruelly unbalanced if it is too severe and justice is also unbalanced is it becomes too merciful .

 

- to me its a similar way of 'different looking' towards 'life and death ' , people say they are two sides of the one coin . I say , no ; life is the 'coin' and birth and death are its extremes either end of the 'life line'  .  But then again I tend to see originating energy in threes  .

 

 

 

One can also toy with language, in my language the word for mercy translates ( back and forth) as grace. Having been subjected to grace, as a stream of golden light descending into my fleshbody, yes, this is sunlike.

The word Justice hold the word straight in my language, straight to assessing what is absolutely necessary to complete the task.   that all fits nicely to my uneducated eyes.

 

And what might be ' absolutely necessary to complete the task '  ( the task of administering justice )  might be either mercy or severity

 

further i was thinking of the high-priestess from the tarot, Boaz and Jachin are part of the picture (at least in the riderwaite version that i played with as a youngster) She holds the Torah

Justice holds 2 pillars too, but not named as such, he holds the traditinal symbols of judgment, the scales and the sword.

 

'He'  does ?  Its  usually depicted as a woman . Her origins seem Egyptian  where Ma'at is present at the weighing of the heart in scales .

 

( @Nungali   is more fond of the Toth cards when I remember it well, but this set is what lives in my subconsciousness, the play as a youngster seems to have made quite an impression)

 

apart from other symbolic things, I see female for mercy and male for justice

 

 

Well, one can certainly see there  ^  that the artist and designer was going for that effect .

 

In the Thoth deck the  Justice card has changed title to Adjustment .    This seems to reflect a change in how we viewed  justice ; we went from the more severe ' straight punishment' to realizing what was needed was  the more merciful  'adjustment '

 

the new vision cards give a look at the backside of things, i do like this version, it literally gives a new perspective.

the curtain  falls

also nice to see he interpretation of finding balance between justice and mercy.

 

 

Great new view !   

 

Thing is , I dont see Justice and  Mercy as the polarity ,  .

 

[Nungali]

11 hours ago, blue eyed snake said:

 

ehm,

I took it as a veiled message that everything we can talk about is just symbols, trying but failing to convey underlaying reality.

 

or just a joke of course 

 

  Hide contents

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life_(Kabbalah)

 

 

 

 

Both  actually .

 

" The best way to avoid spiritual pride is not to have a scared cow "   .....  " Defense  against spiritual pride is to have a sense of humor - especially about yourself and tradition .  "        

[S:C]

First questions first: Are the fruits on the cards of the high priestess pomegranates?

[S:C]

13 hours ago, Nungali said:

my take is a little different ;  I see justice as the  principle  ( the 'dao' part ) and  mercy and severity as the polarities (the yin and the yang ) .  Justice is cruelly unbalanced if it is too severe and justice is also unbalanced is it becomes too merciful .

How can there be any deviance from the principle (the dao part) anyhow?

[S:C]

Are all three pillars ‚humane‘? (As in residing in a human spirit?)

Edited April 23 by S:C

[S:C]

14 hours ago, Nungali said:

Depends ;   there are the three pillars ¹  and the four worlds contained  within², they are  .... 'static'  not linear . It is also continuous in that the lowest sphere of one level is the  highest of the next lowest level ³, or the reverse of that  .  It is linear in consideration of certain energy flow  ; ' The Lightening flash ' ⁴ ... and  'circular' in that you go down through the spheres to come back up again⁵ .

It would seem that the differentiation between ‚four worlds‘ is arbitrary and not necessarily a consequence of the diagramm. Why are several spheres a world?

 

Is this intuitive or experiential gnowledge for you? (Seems I‘d need to take a look at that book of yours, bes! Seems very complex.)

Edited April 23 by S:C

[blue eyed snake]

14 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Both  actually .

 

" The best way to avoid spiritual pride is not to have a scared cow "   .....  " Defense  against spiritual pride is to have a sense of humor - especially about yourself and tradition .  "        

 

scared cow

 

[S:C]

Just now, blue eyed snake said:

 

scared cow

 

What’s got the poor cow got to do with it?

[blue eyed snake]

14 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

thanks for elucidating

my brain is fuzzy

[blue eyed snake]

34 minutes ago, S:C said:

First questions first: Are the fruits on the cards of the high priestess pomegranates?

 

seem to remember they were described as such

[S:C]

2 minutes ago, blue eyed snake said:

 

seem to remember they were described as such

Thanks, that’s probably the most helpful answer. 
 

I‘m also not sure what is kabbalistic ‘tradition’ and what is nungalis interpretation here…

Spoiler

@Nungali (always knew you were very fond of neptune… but to put him on the top? Wouldn’t he get trouble with jupiter and don’t forget the sun…)