Christianity

[Cobie]

1 minute ago, Thrice Daily said:

…Thankyou

you’re welcome 

 

 

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

Just now, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

I could answer you, but I wont. I think you and I both know why this is the case. Here we call it «svenske tilstander.» translates to swedish conditions. 

In certian areas of the capital of Norway, it is going in the same direction.

[Thrice Daily]

5 minutes ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

I could answer you, but I wont. I think you and I both know why this is the case. Here we call it «svenske tilstander.» translates to swedish conditions. 

No problem. Sometimes it’s worth taking fresh eyes and placing them back on the age old scenarios.. 
 

I believe all changes start in the heart, and everybody deserves a second chance.

 

in every single second the mechanism of change is available to All… 🌟 

 

we are way luckier these days than we were on the past, as far as choice is concerned…

Edited October 22 by Thrice Daily

[Thrice Daily]

The reason o brought up the death penalty is because when considering ancient tribes compared to the modern word it’s a very very interesting topic. 
 

going off Christianity I will share something that made me smile about a South American tribe. Can’t remember which one, but if you got caught stealing from somebody else. I guess taking without asking… 

 

The punishment is you have to do the persons bidding for a bit. The person you stole from , you’d have to become their servant for a bit.. 

 

I quite liked this one, when you break it down psychologically and psycho-socially for the group. It’s pretty funny. 😂 

Edited October 22 by Thrice Daily

[Thrice Daily]

I don’t think that is happening in Europe, and I hear that theft has now been “legalised” in California as long as it’s under $900 dollars… 

 

I’M NOT ACTUALLY JOKING EITHER

 

did you here about that @Cobie 

Canary in the mine mate…

Edited October 22 by Thrice Daily

[ChiDragon]

7 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:

I hear that theft has now been “legalised” in California as long as it’s under $900 dollars… 

It's $950 to prevent having too many people get arrested and crowed the city jails.

[Thrice Daily]

Don’t tell me you live in California @ChiDragon. You’re house did look a bit like that I thought when I saw it… Now they really have put Christianity in reverse there haven’t they?
 

Wow, You’re certainly in the wrong place if that’s what you’re looking for…

Edited October 22 by Thrice Daily

[Thrice Daily]

“Resurrection of the body, and life everlasting…”

 

• What does this mean?
• Mystical insight or physical reality?
• Why would it be important for Christianity to be led to believe it?
• Why would it be important to the people that personally believe in it as a part of their experience?

Or what does this look like is philosophical terms?

Edited October 23 by Thrice Daily

[Thrice Daily]

13 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

I could answer you, but I wont. I think you and I both know why this is the case. Here we call it «svenske tilstander.» translates to swedish conditions. 

Ok so why are we saying Christianity is bad again? 
 

It created those systems;

 

I heard it used to have the best education system, best healthcare system lots of free services, childcare. And over one year maternity and paternity leave so both Mom and Dad get paid to have all that time off with baby, wow that is incredible.

 

A Christian country created those conditions (most of the west to a lesser extent) 

And a Swedish public that largely respected the Law (where did western law come from mostly?)

 

The police were respected. The place flourished very well… 

 

So is Christianity bad for modern peoples. 
 

seems it’s only gone bad because people are ignoring the values, not following the laws, making the place too dangerous 

 

And taking advantage of the very charitable economic system that is set up to help those in need.

 

Labouring on the assumption that everybody of fit working age will want to be useful and of service the Swedes , they were trusted. 
 

All these Morals and Collective values were built on the back of Christianity.

 

When after all the warring and battling against in the beginning had died down. (Sorry but that’s true)

 

The true Light💡 of Christianity began to illuminate the old ways gather them and turn inwardly. To combust internally in individuals/societies that were no longer fractured and disconnected in beliefs/villages and create the institutions and infrastructure we only really have in western modernity;

 

• Great Roads
• Great Hospitals
• Schooling For All
• High Literacy Rates
• Jesus Even Clean Water
• Safe Communities 

 

When the light of Christianity shone inwardly and shaped our collective values of shared decency over time we were able to build businesses that could actually create and sustain all this infrastructure.

 

Not gangs walking the streets without gainful employment living off the senses and their carnal desires. 
 

Try going to Northern India - Kashmir and riding on a bus late at night as a Women??? 
 

The West is now going the same way in terms of these dangers. 
 

What does that tell you about values and which direction we are moving in?
 

If we believe we have this one life to live through over and over again and we cannot change what we have done once it’s done. How would we live? I can’t understand people that live without conscience? 
 

But they are everywhere, they will go out at night killing and doing worse, wake up in the morning and not even think about it.

 

This this Barbarianism, and this is learned behaviour, even taught behaviour. It’s crazy. 
 

Christianity might seem boring, might seem childish , might seem contradictory. But if you look at it carefully, and look at yourself carefully.. you will see Christianity has not done such a bad job.

 

You are reading this and you are probably a good person. I’m sorry you feel this got beaten into you and your culture.. I really am… 

 

But you’ve got to suck it up I’m afraid.. there is a lot more to be on the Good Side against , if you are a good person in your ❤️ at least in the world today.

 

A lot of evil and viciousness. Are you for that or against that. It’s really quite that simple, culturally speaking… 

 

Here and Now, not 2000 years ago… It’s still the same story, what YOU going to do about it?

 

(Civilised or Uncivilised , what’s are these to words, what do they mean anyway?? Another topic starter perhaps) 

Edited October 23 by Thrice Daily

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

You couldnt have missed the point any harder, even if you activley tried to. Im out.

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

That comment annoys me more than you belive. First of all, do you think scandinavia was all Rape, murder and without virtue before your little lamb ideology pushed it self up here? Do you think everything became a utopia when it did? Do you really credit christianity with building roads? Do you think we lack conience? 
 

the reason for the explotion of crime, Rape and murder in scandinavia is VERY simple. If you cant figure it out yourself, I can not help you. Alternativey, you can do a very quick google search.

Edited October 23 by Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

Please dont contact me again. Honestly, shame on you for splitting on the swedish people like that.

Edited October 23 by Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

[Thrice Daily]

1 hour ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

You couldnt have missed the point any harder, even if you activley tried to. Im out.

You mean your point… I respect that.

 

in England we call it “different point of view” 

 

it’s especially a good feature for debates and discussions, as long as people stay at the table for it. 
 

I’ll be sad to see you go, you have very thought provoking posts with lovely detail.

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

1 minute ago, Thrice Daily said:

You mean your point… I respect that.

 

in England we call it “different point of view” 

 

it’s especially a good feature for debates and discussions, as long as people stay at the table for it. 
 

I’ll be sad to see you go, you have very thought provoking posts with lovely detail.

Yiu know what makes me sad? Seing my people getting raped and murdered on a scale never seen before and you useing it as an excuse to push your religion.

[Thrice Daily]

1 hour ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

That comment annoys me more than you belive. First of all, do you think scandinavia was all Rape, murder and without virtue before your little lamb ideology pushed it self up here? Do you think everything became a utopia when it did? Do you really credit christianity with building roads? Do you think we lack conience? 
 

the reason for the explotion of crime, Rape and murder in scandinavia is VERY simple. If you cant figure it out yourself, I can not help you. Alternativey, you can do a very quick google search.

I’m talking crime statistics (from this year) please look it up.

 

Swedes account for very little of the crime in that country… proportionately 

 

I really wish people would make sure they are more informed before posting aggressive comments. 
 

please check your facts, and I’d love to speak with you when you’re up to speed ❤️ 

[Thrice Daily]

Just now, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

Yiu know what makes me sad? Seing my people getting raped and murdered on a scale never seen before and you useing it as an excuse to push your religion.

No I’m saying it’s indicative of a broken system ,

 

And if people had a little more conscience and respect for one another it would not be happening… 

 

please seePolish statistics and compare. The truth is staring you in the face, you just have to back up a bit and you’ll see it… 

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

Just now, Thrice Daily said:

Swedes account for very little of the crime in that country… proportionately 

Oh really, Thank you for enlightening me, i had no idea, I thought it was due to atheism.

[Thrice Daily]

1 hour ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

Please dont contact me again. Honestly, shame on you for splitting on the swedish people like that.

I’m not sure if you mean splitting or spitting. It’s actually a call to a return to a unified vision- primarily of civilised safety, if you read my words correctly..

 

I love having rapport with you, you hold me accountable. I’m very grateful, it gives me the energy and impetus to clarify. Thankyou

[Thrice Daily]

1 minute ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

Oh really, Thank you for enlightening me, i had no idea, I thought it was due to atheism.

What are you trying to say here? 
 

i’m saying we need stronger borders back

a sense of national sovereignty back

 

and the right to defend our cultural identity back 

 

recent history. Same in the U.K., look what’s happened to my beautiful countrymen, they are trampled on. And I’m really sad and scared about the future too…

 

You could say it serves the U.K. right for colonialism but that’s not far, your missing the bigger and more modern issues … 

 

but nobody is blameless here, including our own people…

[Thrice Daily]

1 hour ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

First of all, do you think scandinavia was all Rape, murder and without virtue before your little lamb ideology pushed it self up here?

Nope I’m not suggesting anything to do with that..

 

what I have suggested is I think contraception and abortion has led to disaster in society.

 

your former tribes certainly did not have those problems..

 

these problems are very modern and very unchristian too/ who are much more aligned with your tribes people of old.

 

RIGHT THAT SHOULD CLEAR THINGS UP. any more please ask, but please don’t repeat previous points unless you require further clarification 

 

as seen above you got me a bit wrong, I wasn’t suggesting what you thought,,, AT ALL

 

but I’m glad you brought it up, clarifying was helpful so I’ll say again, thankyou

[blue eyed snake]

the person who posted this should look for some facts

 

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I heard it used to have the best education system, best healthcare system lots of free services, childcare. And over one year maternity and paternity leave so both Mom and Dad get paid to have all that time off with baby, wow that is incredible.

 

At least in my country social security, education, good healthcare et cetera was created by the political left, those were the first to chuck out the christian religion.

 

 

[Apech]

I think that the role of religion in social cohesion and the creation of high trust societies is an interesting one.  But surely it is secondary to questions of faith or truth.  After all there are cohesive Buddhist societies and so on - so it would seem that social stability depends more on the shared nature of belief and the social enforcement of a moral code.  For instance if eveyone thinks it is wrong to steal then the levels of theft in society will be lower simply because of the social stigma of the act of stealing and not because of policing.  In fact as the Dao would point out 'justice only exists because of injustice' etc.  But is this really very interesting - no matter how pressing a debate it might be at the present because of the instability we are currently experiencing (for reasons known to all)?

 

I would like to return to the actual 'truth-claims' made by Christianity - such as the virgin birth and the resurrection - and ask a) are they believable and b ) why does Christianity depend on them or emphasise them so highly.  This is the sticking point for me.  It is as if there is a guardian at the door saying 'believe these things or you cannot enter' - whereas I do not see this in any other religion (except perhaps Islam - a subject which I have feelings about which I will pass over in silence).

 

 

Edited October 23 by Apech

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

2 minutes ago, Apech said:

I would like to return to the actual 'truth-claims' made by Christianity - such as the virgin birth and the resurrection - and ask a) are they believable and b ) why does Christianity depend on them or emphasise them so highly.  This is the sticking point for me.  It is as if there is a guardian at the door saying 'believe these things or cannot enter' - whereas I d not see this in any other religion (except perhaps Islam - a subject which I have feelings about which I will pass over in silence).

They Ask you to belive on blind faith (and threaten you with hellfire) because they cant make you know. We all know it takes a man and a woman to make a child.

 

Now ill go play the piano or something so I do not say anything I will end up regretting.

[Thrice Daily]

18 minutes ago, blue eyed snake said:

At least in my country social security, education, good healthcare et cetera was created by the political left, those were the first to chuck out the christian religion.

Interesting point, let me marinade on that for a while. Which country precisely are we talking about, please remind me.

 

And answer this question , do you think it’s possible for left and right to go too far in views?

 

I consider Christianity more centrist in most regards…

 

As conservative as preserving may seem. I think the real clue and value lies in the word “Conserve” which it’s based on. 
 

I don’t want to trigger you again to return to Tribalism, please stay current day, at least for a while. While I’m on this “Everlasting Life” train.

 

Thanks BES 🙏 

Edited October 23 by Thrice Daily

[Thrice Daily]

55 minutes ago, Apech said:

I would like to return to the actual 'truth-claims' made by Christianity - such as the virgin birth and the resurrection - and ask a) are they believable and b ) why does Christianity depend on them or emphasise them so highly.  This is the sticking point for me.  It is as if there is a guardian at the door saying 'believe these things or you cannot enter' - whereas I do not see this in any other religion

Far enough , cool idea to return to that. Hey it’s your barbecue…

 

i’m gonna flip your question on it’s axis for a minute and penetrate the landscape of Buddhist precepts to quickly illustrate a point. (Or at least drop in a bit closer to the horizon of said landscape)

 

[and hopefully unpack later should the wisdom of change allow us to]

 

Mirrors - why is it a precept of importance at a certain stage, to deepen one’s practice one must abstain from looking in mirrors (and of course eye contact with others, which is of course obligatory with successful meditation practice)

 

Self perception. psychological and trappings of character, personality, preconceived notions. All of that comes into it….

 

Photographs - This old idea that photographs somehow steal part of the soul. That is one other part of the landscape that I think deserves a small portion of attention here… but let’s stick to the mirror…

 

There is a mechanism in believing truths that seem absurd. Right or wrong it does trigger a response in our development. It bypasses conscious reasoning and reaches the fertile ground of the unconscious. Believing what you see vs believing what you can’t see…
 

Sensory pleasure is very alluring, how do we break that. We don’t have too. Shit I’d probably prefer to live in a cave. 
 

But that’s not modern reality. 
 

Not looking in the mirror allows us to get deeper into the practice of who we really are. Ironically I think there is a similar mechanism in believing unbelievable truths.
 

Its not cool as an adult to see this as a clear programming tactic I know, but I feel that is what’s been going on. And say it’s a mass hypnotism of sorts ‘to get a job done’ 

 

That said I do think there is some truth to the Resurrection and purported my theories earlier. But still an outrageous and sensational titbit for the mind…

 

The idea of the Virgin Birth is sensational news at the time, outrageous claim and bound to survive as a news worthy story for all time… Smart isn’t it, whether true or not. 
 

Did Osiris really get into a box that got smashed to pieces before being chucked in the Nile, only to be put back together later, probably not. But it’s a memorable story meme none the less. And probably kept a lot of people in check one way or another…

 

People believing these outrageous claims gave them a new fantastic story to share and bond over with fascination and optimisation .

[while those in power collected land and money, yawn]
 

Right or Wrong, this is what happened in Christianity and is how the West was built, spread and fought for… (what’s left of it)

 

[look at where the word west comes from and where the line was actually drawn down the middle and why, or don’t ]

 

Getting back to the mirror. We think we know who we are when we look in the mirror but we couldn’t be further from the truth. 
 

It takes a strict habit to stop looking in the mirror and you get to deeper truths. But helps with En”light”enment 

 

I think Christianity has had a stab at that by seeking to turn men away from their more carnal leanings , so they could actually get shit done.
 

(By looking away from self in this regard, eventually the light would seap in, and instead of the self being worshipped, there would be family, charity service. practically it freed up resources of time and energy, spiritually it made room for light, as it created a more relaxed and predictable setting with far less bloodshed and looking over one’s shoulder)

 

And it worked. Functionalistically speaking 

 

Sorry for the elaborate code, it was the way I was raised. And in this world of AI, fast what’s app messaging, and quick fb posts

 

I really think deep discourse is where it’s at, and challenging these old views to see what Good is left out of it all…

 

Right here , right now, for the benefits of mankind… 

 

Man is not God, I don’t think people should worship themselves and their wants and needs only. Even if it’s a trick, getting people to look away from themselves and what is obviously true, has an interesting effect… It’s completely messing Society up that attitude of Man is God. People these days are facing the dire consequences of that and getting stuck in first generation thought… live for today not tomorrow, that’s a way to make a bad world… Anyone with Kids or Half a Brain can see that.

 

We went too fair in that direction. Without respecting the safeguards that made it possible in the first place 🥇

 

Meritocracy being at the forefront , and arduousness over vanity and an entitled and hollow sense of self…

 

The Holy Spirit I think was modified by Christ and then utilised through the unity the church “partially forced” on people… 

 

quick question, were the first ever mirrors made of metal and not glass?, also what substance forms on a mirror if you leave it alone outside for long enough?

Edited October 23 by Thrice Daily