Christianity

[Nintendao]

17 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Well, I was  forced to be a Catholic when little ..... they made mine shorter . 

 

If they're still after you you can join the Jehovah's Witness Protection Program

[Salvijus]

6 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Real comfort is when your doors a wide open

 

Real comfort is love under all conditions. 

 

Real comfort is not to compromise your heart out of fear. 

 

Whenever you close your heart to someone you don't like, your world gets smaller. (I'm referring to inquisitors that come to nag people haha.) 

 

Whenever you turn your back on your brothers and sisters, you are the one seperated from the feast.

 

A closed door and love doesn’t go together. Fear is the energy that closes your heart and it suffocates the spirit. And where the spirit suffocates, there is no real comfort there. 

Edited June 9 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

not really congruent with the saying along the lines of be gentle as doves and wise as serpents,  (Which are the ones that protect children that would be mowed over otherwise)

 

Mmmmm. Sorry I struggle to see the point you're trying to make. Dove and serpent stands for love and wisdom btw. 

[old3bob]

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

 

Mmmmm. Sorry I struggle to see the point you're trying to make. Dove and serpent stands for love and wisdom btw. 

 

Btw, innocent little kids are not exactly wise or all that careful because they lack various kinds of experience and their love is often like "puppy" love, so to speak, which is fine with family and those close to same but being wide open to anyone otherwise is risky.   Do you have kids of your own?

Edited June 9 by old3bob

[Cobie]

 

On 06/06/2024 at 8:46 PM, surrogate corpse said:

… kids agency over their own lives

@surrogate corpse I’d like to draw your attention to this post:

2 hours ago, old3bob said:

… little kids are not exactly wise or all that careful because they lack various kinds of experience …  

 

 

Edited June 9 by Cobie

[liminal_luke]

On 8/6/2024 at 11:52 AM, steve said:

 

There's been a lot of talk by Christians in my country about dick measuring of late. 

 

There has?  How could I have missed that?  I definitely need to broaden my news sources.

[Apech]

2 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

There has?  How could I have missed that?  I definitely need to broaden my news sources.

Blessed is he that measureth their own length for they will know the shortness of it and be humble.

 

 

[Apech]

7 minutes ago, Apech said:

Blessed is he that measureth their own length for they will know the shortness of it and be humble.

 

 

And so in the land of Israel the pickled gherkin was brought forth.

 

[liminal_luke]

...

Edited June 9 by liminal_luke

[doc benway]

2 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

There has?  How could I have missed that?  I definitely need to broaden my news sources.

 

I’m referring to republican genital checks at bathroom doors. Doubt you missed that…. ?

[liminal_luke]

Just now, steve said:

 

I’m referring to republican genital checks at bathroom doors. Doubt you missed that…. ?

 

Ah...OK, thanks.  Yes, I did read something about that.  What a world!

[Nungali]

57 minutes ago, steve said:

 

I’m referring to republican genital checks at bathroom doors. Doubt you missed that…. ?

 

I cant wait to get mine !

 

I am going to go and cash it in right away at the Genital Bank !

[Nungali]

By the way , I find the comment about loosing  balls /  loosing identity ,  very sexists .

 

How about  'people'  first ? Seeing people as people , just like us . Maybe they are Man or Woman or whatever . In my book 'one's sex'   does not come 'first' .

[Salvijus]

7 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

Btw, innocent little kids are not exactly wise or all that careful because they lack various kinds of experience and their love is often like "puppy" love, so to speak, which is fine with family and those close to same but being wide open to anyone otherwise is risky.   Do you have kids of your own?

 

Oh I see your point now. 

 

Here's a way to make it congruent then.

 

"If you wish to enter the kingdom of heaven, you have to be like a like a baby, dove and serpent all at once"

 

It just points to the qualities of non judgement eye(innocence) , wisdom and compassion. 

 

When it says you have to be like a serpent and dove, it doesn't contradict that you have to be like a baby also. Those are just extra good qualities to live a good life. Being like a baby is just one quality to that is necessary to enter the kingdom. 

 

That's how I would make sense of it. 

Edited June 10 by Salvijus

[old3bob]

 

I feel that that saying or term of "non-judgement" needs to be given lots of context.  For instance don't get in the habit of being judgmental about everything and everyone which in no way means giving up discernment and recognition of relative good and evil in words and actions that we hear or see taking place, and then proceed as best we can from there.   I'd also say don't forget that Jesus was/is also an invincible warrior for truth along with being a "good shepherd".  

Edited June 10 by old3bob

[Cadcam]

I don't like Christianity because

 

1. They believe in miracles, done not only by Christ, but of saints as well. Heck, there are miracles being performed by priests every day at mass as they have the power to bless, and transfiguration the bread and wine into the actual body and blood of christ.  This is reason enough not to believe in Christianity,  but then when you tell one of them about something supernatural,  you are met with disbelief. 

 

2. They don't believe in birth control.

 

3. They think sex is reserved for man and woman.

[Nungali]

20 hours ago, Cadcam said:

I don't like Christianity because

 

1. They believe in miracles, done not only by Christ, but of saints as well. Heck, there are miracles being performed by priests every day at mass as they have the power to bless, and transfiguration the bread and wine into the actual body and blood of christ.  This is reason enough not to believe in Christianity,  but then when you tell one of them about something supernatural,  you are met with disbelief. 

 

    Yeah .

 

It seems magic when  sanctioned by 'he who sanctions it ' as under the operation of 'God' is valid religion but the same acts, outside the church are dangerous and evil . IMO its all about supporting the power of priests and the estates of the church .

 

2. They don't believe in birth control.

 

Maybe , but heaps of Christians practice it .   Maybe you are thinking of Catholics  ?

Priest  hearing confession ; "  Yes,  but one must remember  that the Catholic church  does not allow  birth control ."

Confessor ;  "  But I thought you recommended the 'rhythm method'? "

Priest ; " Ah yes , but only because it doesnt work . "

 

3. They think sex is reserved for man and woman.

 

Where did they think all the other animals came from ? 

 

 

 

[Salvijus]

On 2024-07-27 at 4:27 AM, Cadcam said:

I don't like Christianity because

 

1. They believe in miracles, done not only by Christ, but of saints as well. Heck, there are miracles being performed by priests every day at mass as they have the power to bless, and transfiguration the bread and wine into the actual body and blood of christ.  This is reason enough not to believe in Christianity,  but then when you tell one of them about something supernatural,  you are met with disbelief. 

 

2. They don't believe in birth control.

 

3. They think sex is reserved for man and woman.

 

There is a way of seeing differences in opinions and not developing animosity towards those with different opinions. 

 

Those who learn that lesson have embodied the wisdom of Christ. Ironically having more christ in your life is something you would benefit from. 

 

Edited July 31 by Salvijus

[Nungali]

The problem with this is  Cadcam seems to be referring to Christianity while you are referring to Christ AND linking that to supporting Christianity .... if you know what I mean .

[Salvijus]

I was addressing the energy not the words themselves. Nothing wrong with the points he made. Those are actually good discussion opportunities even. But the energy was a breeding ground for darkness and toxicity to go wild and multiply. So I intervened to change currents of venting in the air into something more wholesome and fruitful.

 

Word is Spirit. The same word can be used to pollute and the same word can be used to bless and restore. Depends on what you infuse it with. I was not defending christianity. I was just clearing the air we all breath from psychic pollution. Good air is good for everyone. You're welcome. 

 

Edited August 1 by Salvijus

[Cadcam]

I don't believe my energy was that bad, my language was simply very pointed.

 

I personally like a lot of Christianty, but under scrutiny, combined with experience,  I become disgusted that it is so popular with all the flaws. 

 

Yes I suppose a God can do anything but really, wow, what madness

[Yang]

I'm a Christian but I don't subscribe to the cult  of Jesus Christ. Christ is the father in heaven. He's actually both genders but referring to Christ as he is more appropriate. 

Everyone in heaven has both genders. Everyone in hell has male of female like we do here on earth. It's not a good thing either but it is what it is. 

 

Heaven is in the 5th dimension and although we have both genders there , some of us lean more towards the feminine than the masculine. It's totally acceptable too. Everyone gets along with everyone else in the 5th. The 5th dimension is a realm of unification and the TORUS. 

 

The word TORAH and it's 5 books. Originates from the TORUS and the five dimensions of existence. 

 

All 3 of the Abrahamic faiths are semitic faiths not just Judaism. 

 

Islam is a spin off of Christianity without Jesus Christ as it's leader.  

 

The polarity of the 3 are 

 

Christianity + 

Islam +/- Judaism.

 

It's a spectrum that flows from the top down in the same way heaven earth and hell do. 

 

Christ is the creator of everything and everyone everywhere. He didn't have an only begotten son named Jesus nor is Jesus God. These lies are used by the Catholic Church to sell Bibles. The Bible is the number 1 most sold books on earth. Church's, and Bible sales are big business. Tax exemption, cash donations are all part of the scam. 

 

There is nothing or anyone more real than Christ. Christ is like Allah but Christ doesn't punish. Satan does. The Islamic faith worships a god named Allah who will punish anyone who gets out of line .

 

Christ doesn't. Just the opposite. Christ and Allah are like day+ and night-. 

 

Christ is pure unconditional love. Allah gonna take his belt off and administer a whipping like no body's business. Certainly not the " God " I'm gonna have anything to do with. 

 

Christ is the creator of heaven earth and hell. As well as everyone and everything, everywhere. 

[Yang]

I'm a Christian but I don't subscribe to the cult  of Jesus Christ. Christ is the father in heaven. He's actually both genders but referring to Christ as he is more appropriate. 

Everyone in heaven has both genders. Everyone in hell has male of female like we do here on earth. It's not a good thing either but it is what it is. 

 

Heaven is in the 5th dimension and although we have both genders there , some of us lean more towards the feminine than the masculine. It's totally acceptable too. Everyone gets along with everyone else in the 5th. The 5th dimension is a realm of unification and the TORUS. 

 

The word TORAH and it's 5 books. Originates from the TORUS and the five dimensions of existence. 

 

All 3 of the Abrahamic faiths are semitic faiths not just Judaism. 

 

Islam is a spin off of Christianity without Jesus Christ as it's leader.  

 

The polarity of the 3 are 

 

Christianity + 

Islam +/- Judaism.

 

It's a spectrum that flows from the top down in the same way heaven earth and hell do. 

 

Christ is the creator of everything and everyone everywhere. He didn't have an only begotten son named Jesus nor is Jesus God. These lies are used by the Catholic Church to sell Bibles. The Bible is the number 1 most sold books on earth. Church's, and Bible sales are big business. Tax exemption, cash donations are all part of the scam. 

 

There is nothing or anyone more real than Christ. Christ is like Allah but Christ doesn't punish. Satan does. The Islamic faith worships a god named Allah who will punish anyone who gets out of line .

 

Christ doesn't. Just the opposite. Christ and Allah are like day+ and night-. 

 

Christ is pure unconditional love. Allah gonna take his belt off and administer a whipping like no body's business. Certainly not the " God " I'm gonna have anything to do with. 

 

Christ is the creator of heaven earth and hell. As well as everyone and everything, everywhere. 

[Yang]

Atheism - and theism + are a polarity like up+ and down- or in - and out +

 

Both must exist at the same time and degree of 50%/50% on average. 

 

I have nothing against atheists any more than I do females as a male. Both are needed for either one to exist. 

 

 

 

 

[Thrice Daily]

On 16/05/2024 at 9:27 PM, silent thunder said:

It is a strange presentation of the cosmos to me, christianity.  When refined to its most basic tenets, it is utterly unacceptible on its own merits and claims.

 

At its core, it demands belief and faith without any hint of exemplification in life.

 

Atop that is the demand to act out this belief through the ritualized, symbolic re-enactment of cannabalistic consumption of flesh and drinking of blood, which is such a whopper to me and always was, from the moment of its introduction to me in Sunday school as a little one.  I remember blurting out... "you mean we drink blood like Vampires!?!?!?|"

 

Compounded upon that is the seeming fact that the consumption rite/eucharist is the same old testament ritualized process of sacrifice of life, for atonement, no matter that it is symbolic and the spirit of christ.  Symbolic action is the language of sub-consciousness to participation in that act socially is no less impacting to the psyche and sub-conscious than if it were actualized. 

 

My discomfort with the christian cosmology was rather intensely deepened and exemplified in my questions regarding the 'immaculate conception' and impregnating of Mary which was met with severe chagrin and considerable discomfort to my teacher.  The kids all seemingly perked up and were curious in my memory, though this is likely projection now.  But my query was sincere and born of an earnest desire to know the nuts and bolts of the stories I was hearing that I at first inherently took 100% on the merit of 'adults don't lie and adults know'.

 

I did not realize it consciously at the time, but in my process and trying to understand how it actually played out... was bringing to awareness the rather dark notion of the fact that Mary seemed to lack the ability to give consent to the process, due to the deliverance of the Angelic message that she had 'been chosen' by god.  Was Mary allowed to say no?  was the core of my question to my Sunday school teacher.  He was not interested in engaging it and his reaction still resonates to this day as uncommonly and potently uncomfortable for everyone there. 

 

He was the one who eventually drove me to read the bible for myself and seek answers there.  He kept dodging direct questions with the standard 'god works in mysterious ways' or 'it's his will not ours' or 'the answers are in the bible'.  So around age 13 I read the bible for myself.  Cover to cover.  Twice...  and part way through the first reading it was apparent that this world view was and would be an unsuitable platform for my awareness. 

 

Many years later after much study and some little amount of angst.  I realized the inherent problem that lay between those who shared their christian view of the world with me and why it always lay at odds at a fundamental level... was that they took the bible as literal.

 

When I reached the ability to process the book as I expect it was intended... allegorically, metaphorically, indeed in the New Testament as Christ seemingly taught  as parable... much of my former angst and tension released and some aspects of it resonate to this day with merit and relevance. 

Amen to that. I had a similar experience growing up. Almost put me off for life. However there is much to gain from not throwing the baby out with the bath water. 

 

The sacraments I've not partaken in , however my partner went back to the Church and she got me to use the rosary sacrament. I've done a fair bit of qigong and meditation over the years, when I did rosary though something very very different started up. 

 

I've analysed it a little and it didn't take me much thinking to realise what a massive social qigong it is. Especially living somewhere like I do in Poland. Many many people stop of certain times of day. 3pm 9pm and pray specific rosary at precisely the same time. When you think about it just in itself that concentration  and awareness of presence has a certain allure. It does for me anyway. Call it what you want, I'm not sure what to call it. I suppose many call it the holy spirit. 

 

Anyway something comes over you and it's unlike qigong or meditation awareness I've felt. I've done no Taoist ancestor worship, but I expect it may be similar. I don't know.

 

In terms of the parables I get what you're saying. They are pretty good. And if you're pushed for time as a teacher and being hunted down in your 30s to be killed its a pretty good effort (imho possibly even the best effort) 

 

And you can't really refute the fact the message has stood the test of time. I think there is a supreme power in that. 

 

I don't think debating whether he is or isn't God or immaculately conceived is all that helpful. I cringe at how that is pushed to the forefront by the powers that be to be honest. The message is legit as far as a safe society to live is concerned, and if I was the creator of the universe and had to choose one message to really make an impact,,, it wouldn't be a bad idea. 

 

Also I think if i'd want to pick a message that comes from the source I think I'd pick that one. I dig the story of his early mates/apostles hiding and writing words down by candle light facing death if caught and the amount of people literally turned into candles because they were into the message lighting up the evening sidewalks for the Romans. That's radical that level of acceptance and I've gotta say I love it. When you really picture the activities of the times and how the values subsequently suffused into what we now regard as the West.

 

My biggest epiphany moment though was when I realised the life of Jesus (or the end) in just so bang on with 100% pacifism like Buddhism professes in the face of such harshness. I had always kept the Buddha on the 🌙 seat of my heart, in that moment of recognition it's like it had a real face on the Buddha and gave him an identity, not only in life but in death as well.. 

 

Anyway I could go on about it all for ages, I've had a few baffling experiences (still healthily sceptical about them though) and more importantly logical thoughts about the soundness of the message and how it echoed through times hearts and minds... 

 

well one more thing before I go. The info on the Tourin shroud is very interesting. The photograph like image burnt on it. No way to create that as an artist for a hoax. There's some interesting new research that gets into the nitty gritty of it and the age of the threads it seems is consistent with that time period 30 off years AD. Whether he died and come back I don't know, or think that's important either. 

 

He made his point when he was here. Literally.

 

Pick up the rosary and start saying our father's and hail Mary's with your eyes closed, "I double dare you".

 

 

 

 come back and tell me what you think. I was sceptical too... 

Edited September 12 by Thrice Daily
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