Mark Foote Posted June 15 3 hours ago, Maddie said: I believe that the technical term from a Buddhist point of view would be to realize that none of the five aggregates are the self. Or that grasping after self in any of the five aggregates is identically suffering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Foote Posted June 15 Everybody just loves the Pali sermons, in my opinion (@Nungali). What, that's unpopular? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 15 (edited) 19 hours ago, Taomeow said: That's close to what I meant in Apech's other concurrently running thread, about ideas, when I wrote "a closed gestalt." It's similar to a jigsaw puzzle fully assembled -- the last piece falls into place and Eureka! So ...... what's behind it all ? " Take that Zeus ! I just checked your 'crushing cliffs' with my King Neptune ." Edited June 15 by Nungali 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 15 10 hours ago, Taomeow said: Did I miss the switch from Very Unpopular Opinions to Very Popular Platitudes? ... just a bit of proselytizing by the way .... you been 'saved ' yet ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 15 (edited) 9 hours ago, Salvijus said: If it is so popular then why did you fail to think of it? Ummmm ... because this thread is about the 'unpopular' . And if you think there's a better answer than the "cliche" one. By all means, let me hear it. The stage is yours. Dude , she already gave her answer and WE heard it .... you just had to ..... do what you did . Congrats .... that was very unpopular . Edited June 15 by Nungali 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 15 7 hours ago, Maddie said: Is this the lion cub's truth that mom is good because she feeds him? Or the gazelle's truth that the lion is evil because she hunts them? Its MY truth .... watching both of them on television : "Not another friggin nature show lion and antelope thing again ! " 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 15 7 hours ago, Salvijus said: Honesty would be another word for it. Vipassana would be a buddhist word for it. "Seeing things as they are" not as you think they are. Ohhh ... so you have some faculty to discern the difference ! Special eyes that are not connected to your 'thinking bits' ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 15 7 hours ago, Maddie said: So your saying mindfulness is the truth then? I read it as 'mindlessness' is the 'truth' . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 15 7 hours ago, Salvijus said: Observing reality without conceptualizing it leads to truth. Because now you truly see things for what they are. So ... just be a camera then ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 15 6 hours ago, Maddie said: I don't believe you can even ordain as a monk if you have mental health problems. I think this is one of the questions they ask you to see if you qualify. Oooooo ! Now here is a potentially unpopular opinion . I used to sit on a council for such things ; ' Should people with mental health problems be admitted for initiation . Pro ; (mostly from a mental health nurse member that also sat on that council ) " Yes ! Our constitution clearly states that any Man or Woman , of age , free and of good report can gain admission ." Con ; ( mostly me ) " Nah .... look at the trouble we have had already from that ... I will be considering that as part of 'good report' , which requires 2 member sponsors , I will not be one of them , and I suggest anyone who is is held responsible and supportive for that persons later actions - as a sponsor should be . " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 15 6 hours ago, Maddie said: How do you know this is true? Does it not sound like something a human being would say? Species prejudice ! I am guessing they are removed from nature, the indigenous and close animal contact to declare that . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 15 (edited) 4 hours ago, Apech said: But Schrodinger was a hum dinger. And Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable. Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table. David Hume could out-consume Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel. And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as schloshed as Schlegel. There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya 'bout the raising of the wrist, Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed. John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill. Plato, they say, could stick it away, Half a crate of whiskey every day. Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle, And Hobbes was fond of his dram. And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart, "I drink, therefore I am." Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed, A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed. Edited June 15 by Nungali 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted June 15 2 hours ago, Mark Foote said: Everybody just loves the Pali sermons, in my opinion (@Nungali). What, that's unpopular? I think you misunderstood me . Its not the sermons that are unpopular .... its the continual sermonizing . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted June 15 some level of going nuts is probable before the nut is cracked... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taomeow Posted June 16 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nungali said: ... just a bit of proselytizing by the way .... you been 'saved ' yet ? Sorry, that's classified. Edited June 16 by Taomeow 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted June 16 (edited) I think no matter what I say, some of you guys will still going to get salty. But making sarcastic jokes is not a healthy or effective way to cope with it. Something unfortunatly you guys are taking a long time to understand it seems... But hey, if you think that will bring you closure, by all means, keep trying. Edited June 16 by Salvijus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted June 16 (edited) "So ... just be a camera then ?" Camera has no perception or knowledge of what it is recording. Camera is only capturing the light outside and storing it. But there there is nothing sentient there to perceive the collected data. Like a mirror. A mirror gives a clear reflection of reality, but reflection is not knowledge. And it is knowledge of reality (synonymous with perception of reality) that amounts to knowing the truth. The element of Knowledge is missing in both camera and mirror. Without the ability to Know( synonymous with "to perceive" in this context) , there is no possibility of consciously knowing Truth. Mindfulness is not just recording the information that enters through our senses. Mindfulness is to have concious knowledge of life that is throbbing all around you. That's why there are degrees of mindfulness and mindlessness. "To the extent you are concious, to that extent you know the truth, to that extent you're free from false perceptions, illusions, projections of ego. To that extent you are free and happy" Edited June 16 by Salvijus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowymountains Posted June 16 44 minutes ago, Salvijus said: I think no matter what I say, some of you guys will still going to get salty. But making sarcastic jokes is not a healthy or effective way to cope with it. Something unfortunatly you guys are taking a long time to understand it seems... But hey, if you think that will bring you closure, by all means, keep trying. Forgive the father, for they know not what they do 😁 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted June 16 1 minute ago, snowymountains said: Forgive the father, for they know not what they do 😁 🤧 That was beautiful 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted June 16 (edited) - knock knock - who's there? - a delivery boy - but i don't remember ordering anything - not a single minute in your day goes by where your heart is not crying for deliverance. -knock knock -who's there? -your worst nightmare -a big scary demon? -the love of God. Edited June 16 by Salvijus 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted June 16 2 hours ago, Salvijus said: - knock knock - who's there? - a delivery boy - but i don't remember ordering anything - not a single minute in your day goes by where your heart is not crying for deliverance. -knock knock -who's there? -your worst nightmare -a big scary demon? -the love of God. I can’t help thinking that you haven’t yet mastered the concept of a knock knock joke. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent thunder Posted June 16 7 hours ago, Salvijus said: I think no matter what I say, some of you guys will still going to get salty. But making sarcastic jokes is not a healthy or effective way to cope with it. Something unfortunatly you guys are taking a long time to understand it seems... But hey, if you think that will bring you closure, by all means, keep trying. wambulance for one... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forestgreen Posted June 16 22 hours ago, Salvijus said: If you wish to say spirituality and therapy are different. Then why do they have the same objective? Psych means soul. Psychotherapy is the science of the Soul. That's literally a definition of spirituality. If you google the difference between soul and spirit, you will find out why it is called spirituality and not soulality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salvijus Posted June 16 4 hours ago, Apech said: I can’t help thinking that you haven’t yet mastered the concept of a knock knock joke. Could be because of failure to understand the intention of those words. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
