Pangu Shengong

[Turnip]

Hi, does anyone else practice Pangu Shengong, or have any knowledge about the safety or efficacy of the system for healing and spiritual cultivation? 

[Kojiro]

I don't know about this qigong, but there are several old threads talking about it, I suggest you to use the search option and look it up

[Vajra Fist]

On 20/07/2024 at 3:51 PM, Turnip said:

Hi, does anyone else practice Pangu Shengong, or have any knowledge about the safety or efficacy of the system for healing and spiritual cultivation? 

 

@nyerstudent has practiced it long term 

[nyerstudent]

@Turnip I first learned it in 2016 and have practiced all levels since then. I’ve included other practices at times, but come back to PGSG regularly. What can I help answer?

[Turnip]

Hi @nyerstudent , I have a few questions. What long term (extraordinary?) benefits have you noticed from your practice? Is there anything about it that stands out in comparison to other practices you’ve done? Have you noticed that there is any kind of ceiling to the spiritual and energetic growth gained, or does it continually get deeper and deeper over time?

Thanks 

[nyerstudent]

1 hour ago, Turnip said:

Hi @nyerstudent , I have a few questions. What long term (extraordinary?) benefits have you noticed from your practice? Is there anything about it that stands out in comparison to other practices you’ve done? Have you noticed that there is any kind of ceiling to the spiritual and energetic growth gained, or does it continually get deeper and deeper over time?

Thanks 

Hi, I’ll try to answer them one-by-one.

 

Long-term benefits:

I’m fortunate to not have many health challenges right now, so I practice mostly for the mental and emotional benefits. I find it contributes to a positive and constructive attitude. It makes me easier to be kinder to others. It also supports deeper and easier sleep for me.

 

Vs other practices:

I enjoy its flexibility and few restrictions on practice, and its safety. It’s a safe practice to learn and practice on your own, even for many hours a day (eg. if you have a serious condition). I also enjoy Master Ou’s lectures, which he now offers on Zoom. I find him a very impressive person and learning from him is one benefit to practicing PGSG. 
 

Ceiling:

I think the practice can go deep, but I’d probably recommend learning the other forms too. Some students also find that doing more qi healings opens them up and increases their sensitivity to the energy. The Advanced form is more potent for me than the others. But probably more important than the energy practices are refining one’s conduct as an individual. That is emphasized in the teachings more than the exercises even. I also find that the more you do the exercises, the more powerful they are.

 

Personally, I think that most qigong practices discussed on this forum can take you very very far, and it’s more a question of whether you gel with it enough to actually practice it, and whether you connect with the teacher / teachings.
 

Hope this helps!

 

[Turnip]

4 hours ago, nyerstudent said:

Hi, I’ll try to answer them one-by-one.

 

Long-term benefits:

I’m fortunate to not have many health challenges right now, so I practice mostly for the mental and emotional benefits. I find it contributes to a positive and constructive attitude. It makes me easier to be kinder to others. It also supports deeper and easier sleep for me.

 

Vs other practices:

I enjoy its flexibility and few restrictions on practice, and its safety. It’s a safe practice to learn and practice on your own, even for many hours a day (eg. if you have a serious condition). I also enjoy Master Ou’s lectures, which he now offers on Zoom. I find him a very impressive person and learning from him is one benefit to practicing PGSG. 
 

Ceiling:

I think the practice can go deep, but I’d probably recommend learning the other forms too. Some students also find that doing more qi healings opens them up and increases their sensitivity to the energy. The Advanced form is more potent for me than the others. But probably more important than the energy practices are refining one’s conduct as an individual. That is emphasized in the teachings more than the exercises even. I also find that the more you do the exercises, the more powerful they are.

 

Personally, I think that most qigong practices discussed on this forum can take you very very far, and it’s more a question of whether you gel with it enough to actually practice it, and whether you connect with the teacher / teachings.
 

Hope this helps!

 

Thanks, that helps a lot! 

[River]

Hi,

Not sure if this is relevant to your question, but I’ve had very bad experiences with Ou Wen Wei when asking for remote healing. I’ve had in-person healing from him on and off in the last 20 years and practiced the form some. I have been helped some through those. But based on my experience since receiving remote sessions in the last 3 years I don’t consider him ethical at all and more of a predator.

I was hesitant to ask for help remotely, but other friends of mine had done it so I thought I was safe. I have since found out that one passed away and the others have disavowed him. 

I would only recommend him to my enemies.

[Turnip]

On 1/1/2025 at 8:12 PM, River said:

Hi,

Not sure if this is relevant to your question, but I’ve had very bad experiences with Ou Wen Wei when asking for remote healing. I’ve had in-person healing from him on and off in the last 20 years and practiced the form some. I have been helped some through those. But based on my experience since receiving remote sessions in the last 3 years I don’t consider him ethical at all and more of a predator.

I was hesitant to ask for help remotely, but other friends of mine had done it so I thought I was safe. I have since found out that one passed away and the others have disavowed him. 

I would only recommend him to my enemies.

Thank you so much for this response. Can you tell me more? I would love as much detail as possible if that’s not asking too much. What about your experiences were bad? Why don’t you consider him ethical, and what makes him more of a predator to you? 
 

To be clear I actually have stopped practicing Pangu Shengong since posting this, and my questions are in no way oppositional. I just wanna hear your experience and get more information, know what happened. 

[River]

It’s not easy to write about this and there is a lot there. Basically he just never disconnected from me following the sessions. At first, I considered it extra attention to my situation and a sign of kindness, but as time went on his influence became more and more controlling and creepy and he would energetically find more and more reasons to stick around. I wish I had some warning that this was a possibility, I never would have reached out. Whatever help I received pales in comparison to the harm he’s caused and keeps causing. I believe he deliberately displaces your own intuition and trust in yourself to his own energy. It’s hard to keep your bearings and it’s very destabilizing. His ‘help’ consists of making you dependent on him instead of restoring your integrity and getting you back on your feet. As much as I try to disconnect it becomes impossible. There is more to the story, but this is the gist of it. 

What made you stop practicing?

 

[Turnip]

11 hours ago, River said:

It’s not easy to write about this and there is a lot there. Basically he just never disconnected from me following the sessions. At first, I considered it extra attention to my situation and a sign of kindness, but as time went on his influence became more and more controlling and creepy and he would energetically find more and more reasons to stick around. I wish I had some warning that this was a possibility, I never would have reached out. Whatever help I received pales in comparison to the harm he’s caused and keeps causing. I believe he deliberately displaces your own intuition and trust in yourself to his own energy. It’s hard to keep your bearings and it’s very destabilizing. His ‘help’ consists of making you dependent on him instead of restoring your integrity and getting you back on your feet. As much as I try to disconnect it becomes impossible. There is more to the story, but this is the gist of it. 

What made you stop practicing?

 

I stopped practicing for a few reasons. One is actually out of fear of what you have said. That it was more of creating dependence than actually empowering me. Also the whole thing just seems all about him. 

 

The books The Path of Life are about him being this special incarnation of Pangu who is supposedly the creator of humanity. And he was basically possessed by this being. Also, there are some weird sexual and borderline sexually predatory/pedophilic aspects of the books. One part where the entity is describing to Ou the sexual relationship between Pangu and the Chaos. The chapter describes how Pangu sends rays of light and energy into the universe, but after a while this doesn’t satisfy his sexual urges, so he then creates many women who he can have sex with to satisfy his urges, which doesn’t work, so he creates the human species as whole to have sex with each other. Which I guess was good for a while? And then at the end of the chapter it says that he would go down to hang with the humans and they all loved being around him and bathing in his rays of light, “especially the young pretty girls”. 
 

Interestingly the books go on to say how Pangu realized that lust and promiscuity were a major source of evil, and it was after Pangu made a horrible sexual mistake that he decided to reform himself and restrain his instinctual urges for the benefit of humankind. So I guess there’s a little redemption there… 

 

While practicing regularly I noticed a huge increase in sexual energy and sexual thoughts. I didn’t really like this. 
 

Another big reason I stopped was that there was visualization in the practice that I thought was bringing energy to my head and I thought was not good. 
 

Additionally, they call him a master but he’s not a part of any traditional lineage. A practice that is just created by a guy who wasn’t even trained by a previous human teacher is questionable. Not categorically bad but questionable.  
 

 

I’m curious though what specifically makes you think that he’s doing all these things to you. Like how do you know he didn’t disconnect. What exactly do you mean by “his influence became more and more controlling and creepy and he would energetically find more and more reasons to stick around”. 
 

 

 

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, Turnip said:

While practicing regularly I noticed a huge increase in sexual energy and sexual thoughts. I didn’t really like this. 

It indicates that you are making progress in your practice. Most people wanted to accomplish this. The practice increase in sexual energy that means your body energy level are more than normal and you are healthier than before. You should be very happy about it.

[River]

4 hours ago, Turnip said:

I stopped practicing for a few reasons. One is actually out of fear of what you have said. That it was more of creating dependence than actually empowering me. Also the whole thing just seems all about him.

 

Interesting… I wouldn’t think of practice as necessarily creating dependence. In what way do you mean? 

 

I stopped the little bit of practice I was doing after the first session. I think it had to do with not being able to practicing on my own given that he didn’t disconnect from me. 

[River]

4 hours ago, Turnip said:

Also the whole thing just seems all about him. 

 

The books The Path of Life are about him being this special incarnation of Pangu who is supposedly the creator of humanity. And he was basically possessed by this being. Also, there are some weird sexual and borderline sexually predatory/pedophilic aspects of the books. One part where the entity is describing to Ou the sexual relationship between Pangu and the Chaos. The chapter describes how Pangu sends rays of light and energy into the universe, but after a while this doesn’t satisfy his sexual urges, so he then creates many women who he can have sex with to satisfy his urges, which doesn’t work, so he creates the human species as whole to have sex with each other. Which I guess was good for a while? And then at the end of the chapter it says that he would go down to hang with the humans and they all loved being around him and bathing in his rays of light, “especially the young pretty girls”. 
 

Interestingly the books go on to say how Pangu realized that lust and promiscuity were a major source of evil, and it was after Pangu made a horrible sexual mistake that he decided to reform himself and restrain his instinctual urges for the benefit of humankind. So I guess there’s a little redemption there… 

 

While practicing regularly I noticed a huge increase in sexual energy and sexual thoughts. I didn’t really like this. 
 

 

 

I never read the books in any kind of detail. The storyline seems a little far fetched and self serving - understatement, I know. 
 

What I can attest to is that during this time there has been an enormous importance placed on sexual energy to the point of obsessive sexual harassment. I purposely gained a ton of weight to make sure my figure does not in any way stir more of this sexual harassment. I also believe that he places ‘marks’, kind of like land mines, (I call them military bases) on your chakras so that his energy that he leaves behind can be reactivated at a later time.
 

I feel like I’ve been scarred for life by these sexual attacks and no, I don’t consider them as making spiritual progress. 

[River]

5 hours ago, Turnip said:

Another big reason I stopped was that there was visualization in the practice that I thought was bringing energy to my head and I thought was not good. 
 

I guess things can get out of control and you never know where you might end up. 
 

 

[River]

5 hours ago, Turnip said:

Additionally, they call him a master but he’s not a part of any traditional lineage. A practice that is just created by a guy who wasn’t even trained by a previous human teacher is questionable. Not categorically bad but questionable.  

 

Hm, that’s ironic because one of the reasons I chose him was that he wasn’t part of a lineage. I had had bad experiences in the past with other ‘lineage’ teachers. I reached out to him in 2017 for an in-person session to remove the constant energetic presence and harassment of Tenzin ‘Rinpoche from the Bon lineage, another creeper who psychically had been attacking me for 8 years. At the time the in-person session did help and the lurking diminished after some time. Sadly, since then they’ve commingled and become great friends. But yeah the master title is pretty arbitrary and, IMO, just as irrelevant as any other title from any lineage. 

[River]

5 hours ago, Turnip said:

 

I’m curious though what specifically makes you think that he’s doing all these things to you. Like how do you know he didn’t disconnect. What exactly do you mean by “his influence became more and more controlling and creepy and he would energetically find more and more reasons to stick around”. 

 

I mean…how do we know anything? You can tell that the presence is still there. I think he has a hard time disconnecting from certain people, I’m sure this doesn’t happen to everyone. I just wanted to speak up and warn people that this could happen to them. 

[Turnip]

10 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

It indicates that you are making progress in your practice. Most people wanted to accomplish this. The practice increase in sexual energy that means your body energy level are more than normal and you are healthier than before. You should be very happy about it.

You might be right, but that’s not the only reason I stopped. To be clear I’m not totally against this practice, there are just too many unknowns and weird things that I don’t really want to risk. 

[Turnip]

7 hours ago, River said:

Interesting… I wouldn’t think of practice as necessarily creating dependence. In what way do you mean? 

 

I stopped the little bit of practice I was doing after the first session. I think it had to do with not being able to practicing on my own given that he didn’t disconnect from me. 

Well the practice is absorbing energy with the help of Pangu. If I could be sure that Pangu (the entity that Ou is in contact with) was purely benevolent, then I would probably continue practice. I can’t be sure though, and it just causes more anxiety than relieved it for me, so I’ve moved to practicing more traditional daoist methods. 

[Turnip]

7 hours ago, River said:

I mean…how do we know anything? You can tell that the presence is still there. I think he has a hard time disconnecting from certain people, I’m sure this doesn’t happen to everyone. I just wanted to speak up and warn people that this could happen to them. 

Thank you for sharing what seems sensitive. 
 

I hope you can recover from these things quickly 

[River]

3 hours ago, Turnip said:

Thank you for sharing what seems sensitive. 
 

I hope you can recover from these things quickly 

I hope so too. I’m glad you asked the question. I should have done that whenever I started all this. It could have me a lot of life.