The Construction of Judaism

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

2 minutes ago, Daniel said:

So, the "magical" community very strongly desires to put a "Jewish" label on their theories because its supposed to increase the faith in their craft.

 

 

[Daniel]

22 minutes ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

 

 

 

I didn't watch the video.  I'm not inclined to watch cartoons unless there is a good reason.  Is there a good reason to watch it?   What is added to this discussion about "magic" by bringing this children's movie?

 

 

Edited October 26 by Daniel

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

3 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

I didn't watch the video.  I'm not inclined to watch cartoons unless there is a good reason.  Is there a good reason to watch it?   I'm not sure what is added to this discussion about "magic" by brining a children's movie unless the intention is to add levity.

 

 

Sorry, I thought it was a documentary of exodus.

 

No, seouriosly Daniel, it was just an assosiation for the laughs. 

[Daniel]

52 minutes ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

Sorry, I thought it was a documentary of exodus.

 

No, seouriosly Daniel, it was just an assosiation for the laughs. 

 

What's the joke?

[Thrice Daily]

17 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

I am sure you can find many interfaith dialouges on the internet .

 

But was it that ... or the Hermetic Wisdom that got you going ?

It was nice and refreshing after all the God tug of war stuff I’ll say that much. 
 

I go way back in my flirtation with existence, I’m willing to embrace other Star Systems too. I hear over 80% of the Universe now has the lights switched off and will eventually retract into one super condensed galaxy, eventually…

 

Right now there are less Stars being born that ever before as as I say 4/5 of the physical universe is cold deep space. Hermetic , yep it’s all in the smelting pot.

[Thrice Daily]

I’m more aligned with China though and would love to know how far back that REALLY goes. It’s got to be much further than old Lao … 

 

And those other turtle shells that have fragments of the other systems along with I-Ching

 

you never know those two other systems may be uncovered in some underground chamber. 
 

oh quick side fact while I’m on. Did you know there are Hieroglyphics found in Australia (accurately lining up with Egyptian history, details of pharaohs at time etc)? 
 

Are you aware? There is an excellent French Documentary on the pyramids that mentions this. It’s a fairly modern one, did you see it? It’s here; long but good. 
 

 

Where did Hebrew actually come from, and why is it referred to as “the language of the Gods?”

[Cobie]

4 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

… for the laughs. 

[Nungali]

18 hours ago, Daniel said:

 

I down voted this post because it is a convoluted mess.  

 

In other words ,   you didnt understand it .

[Nungali]

16 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

 

Dont worry about it . Daniel projects things INTO 'the magical community '  that they do not ascribe to .  Validity is not given to something just because of any adoption from  Judaism .  In fact it is a turn off for a lot of magicians as they are NOT into Judaism or Christianity or the OT.   Magick is an eclectic practice  .... (and also Greek is a 'magical language' as well , not just Hebrew .  I only mentioned Hebrew as one of them .

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Greek_Qabalah.html?id=w70rWN_-ANAC&redir_esc=y

http://www.mysticknowledge.org/The-Greek_Qabalah_Alphabetic-Mysticism-and-Numerology-in-the-Ancient-World.pdf

 

16 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

 

I am sure anyone can post 'evidence' of the opposite .... considering what goes on yourtubes today  ... there probaby is some 'wizard' claiming to be 'Jewish ' or ... anything really .

 

[Nungali]

and the 'craft of magic' as he put it is NOT based on faith ... which Daniel says , totally wrong , its  Judaism that is based on faith  and 'religious paths' .  

[Nungali]

16 hours ago, Daniel said:

 

I didn't watch the video.  I'm not inclined to watch cartoons unless there is a good reason.  Is there a good reason to watch it?   What is added to this discussion about "magic" by bringing this children's movie?

 

 

 

One thing could be how the early Jews adopted Egyptian paraphernalia  and magical objects to create their ceremonies and ritual  ..... to increase the faith in their craft .

[Nungali]

14 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

I’m more aligned with China though and would love to know how far back that REALLY goes. It’s got to be much further than old Lao … 

 

 

 

Well, since the thread has been over for some time due to  off topic, weird associations that came up for some that they somehow related to it  an all sorts of antics ... hell, why not, lets all start talking about Daoism and  China .

 

14 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

 

And those other turtle shells that have fragments of the other systems along with I-Ching

 

I see ,  and how are we meant to decipher this ?  What 'fragments of other systems ' ?  What systems   ?

 

14 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

 

you never know those two other systems may be uncovered in some underground chamber. 

 

Eh  ?

 

14 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

oh quick side fact while I’m on. Did you know there are Hieroglyphics found in Australia (accurately lining up with Egyptian history, details of pharaohs at time etc)? 

 

Okay, I will play along and go  further out on this off topic limb that has now broken off and seems to be floating around .... well, to anywhere .

1. Why do you call this a 'fact' ?

2. Yes, I do know there are 'Hieroglyphs' found in Australia .  There are some even in my library ;

 

 

3. What does " accurately lining up with Egyptian history, details of pharaohs "   mean  in relation to 'did I know there where hieroglyphs in Australia ?'

 

4 . 'at time'  what doe. s that even mean ?

 

Good God Man !   Its like you are only writing PRTS of the thought stream you are having ... a type of mental shorthand  . 

 

Then again , probably the modern mind reads stuff like this on the internet nowadays and goes ... " Wow !  .. Really ! ."  and repeats it , with no explanation, evidence or citation needed .

 

is that how you got 'this information ' ?

 

if you get specific and explain what you mean , we can discuss it .

 

truth or dare !  ... You like the truth dont you ?

 

 

14 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

Are you aware?

 

More so than I care to reveal .

 

14 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

 

There is an excellent French Documentary on the pyramids that mentions this. It’s a fairly modern one, did you see it? It’s here; long but good. 
 

 

Oh sorry, I take it all back, the evidence is in here .... somewhere , in a 3 1/2 hr  youtube .

 

DUDE !  

 

14 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

Where did Hebrew actually come from, and why is it referred to as “the language of the Gods?”

 

Now your google button is broken ?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hebrew_alphabet

[Nungali]

12 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

Coby ! 

 

Please shower, do make up and hair before logging in here .

 

 

 

[Thrice Daily]

@Nungali I love your response. I do have to be more coherent in my writing. I shouldn’t assume people know information already and should unpack it more with quotes and references if I’m going to bring it up… Ill also try to stick to one point at a time and try to keep things relevant to the thread. However, long and painful as the video I added may seem. Please do watch it, it’s worth the hassle.

Now much of the video seeks to explain and validate the building skills of the Egyptians and also accredit them for the ongoing structural “work” around the world both back up to 10,000 years and more close to our times, with huge structures like Cathedrals associated with the secret building methods of the master builders. (The giant and fantastic structures modern builders can’t seem to build today)

 

We would have lovely examples of this in Chicago for example , had the buildings not all be blown up with dynamite after hosting the world fair . It may add some juice to this Jewish conversation if people watch that long video, as believe it or not it’s all very much related to the thread and what is ongoing even in present day.

Turtle Shells and other two systems another time. I’ll do some digging for that…

 

[Nungali]

12 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

@Nungali I love your response. I do have to be more coherent in my writing. I shouldn’t assume people know information already and should unpack it more with quotes and references if I’m going to bring it up… Ill also try to stick to one point at a time and try to keep things relevant to the thread. However, long and painful as the video I added may seem. Please do watch it, it’s worth the hassle.

 

Now, you haven't addressed anything I asked you to  and have gone back on 'please watch a 3 1/2 hr video ... again .  'Worth the hassle '   You want me to do that but you didnt even bother to answer even one of my questions ?   Really, it  should  not be that hard for you to answer what you meant by Hieroglyphics in Australia  .  I mean, I could assume what you meant , give a good answer , spend time on it, and then you could come back and say " Oh no, I didnt mean that at all ."

 

Now much of the video seeks to explain and validate the building skills of the Egyptians and also accredit them for the ongoing structural “work” around the world both back up to 10,000 years

 

'Egyptians' where not around 10,000 years ago .

 

and more close to our times, with huge structures like Cathedrals associated with the secret building methods of the master builders. (The giant and fantastic structures modern builders can’t seem to build today)

 

Look , I randomly selected a few minutes of that video  and do you know what I saw ?   A tunnel in the Great Pyramid  and talk about how well it was made , straight , even , neat etc .  Then they say 'not like tunnels we make today ! " and show a quick flash  of a  rough dug tunnel, in a small mine or something , with  dirt and rock uneven walls .

 

Can you see my point ? Can you follow the logic and rationale here ?

 

Who falls for stuff like that ?  I'd suggest its someone with their brain switched off !

 

I can post right here  a picture of a badly dug Egyptian mine tunnel and say 'This is an Egyptian Tunnel' . Then show a modern undersea tunnel connecting two different countries with vehicles and trains using it . And then write ; "Look how hopeless the Egyptians where at building !

 

So I am certainly NOT going to watch 3 1/2 hrs of attempted 'brainwashing for idiots   who  cant tell how the wool is being pulled over their eyes in the most obvious fashion !

 

Now, the REAL question here  (and future correspondence depends on this )    ... do you get what I am talking about  ? 

 

if not,  thats it for any serious  conversation  as it  would appear , if you get tricked by obvious manipulation like that , you will not  have the 'penetrative insight ' for serious conversation .

 

.....

 

" The giant and fantastic structures modern builders can’t seem to build today "  :

 

   

 

<  that one is made of glass .

 

 

We would have lovely examples of this in Chicago for example , had the buildings not all be blown up with dynamite after hosting the world fair . It may add some juice to this Jewish conversation if people watch that long video, as believe it or not it’s all very much related to the thread and what is ongoing even in present day.

 

again, you are suggesting we spend 3 1/2 hrs watching it in the hope that,  " It may add some juice to this Jewish conversation if people watch that long video" without a mention of why and how  it would relate to this thread    and   'what is going on today' has NOTHING to do with this thread , so why bring that up ? 

 

I think you need to focus your mind .

Turtle Shells and other two systems another time. I’ll do some digging for that…

 

Good. I find your seemingly random  and undetailed comments difficult to navigate through, but when you pack several of them into a single post  ....  

 

Edited October 27 by Nungali

[Thrice Daily]

Ok, that’s a little too much to answer too. I’ve got to try to reduce the replies to one or two points max.

 

it’s a pity you can’t watch the video, there are some nice riddles near the beginning on it that drew me in.

 

One being at 11:50 minutes. Exactly how did they remove the carbon dioxide? (so they could breathe while chiselling perfect tiny passages) in these perfectly built underground shafts. That was the riddle that drew me in and kept me watching it and how they physically fit in there to carve any of it, it’s well illustrated in the video at that point. I found it very enriching. Anyway if it doesn’t draw you in a that point, it’s probably not for you..

 

3:02:40 seconds is the time in the video that covers the visit to Australia. That may be of interest, so please accept the shortcut. 
 

The main reason I brought all of this up is due to the relevance of plato influence in Jewish mysticism, and not only do I believe this, but I believe Egypt is primitive by comparison of where it’s origins truly lie. I do believe ancient Khem to have been active 10,000 years ago, or at least 7,000 years ago. 
The sphinx though is much older (as it’s been proofed with so much water erosion). 
 

I believe this to be the earliest roots and as far back as we can see (in the region relevant to Judaism), In human history and the largest influences on Jewish thought, being so closely tied to Egypt. Am I wrong? As I’m expressing these as opinions, that is just what they are. I’m not asserting them as facts. 

[Nungali]

9 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

Ok, that’s a little too much to answer too. I’ve got to try to reduce the replies to one or two points max.

 

it’s a pity you can’t watch the video, there are some nice riddles near the beginning on it that drew me in.

 

One being at 11:50 minutes. Exactly how did they remove the carbon dioxide? (so they could breathe while chiselling perfect tiny passages) in these perfectly built underground shafts. That was the riddle that drew me in and kept me watching it and how they physically fit in there to carve any of it, it’s well illustrated in the video at that point. I found it very enriching. Anyway if it doesn’t draw you in a that point, it’s probably not for you..

 

3:02:40 seconds is the time in the video that covers the visit to Australia. That may be of interest, so please accept the shortcut

 

 

 

Thankyou ! Finally ! 

 

It starts by saying the Egyptians navigated the world several times , and shows a cartoon of a Nile RIVER boat going across the Pacific .   Incorrect .

 

Then 'Sometimes accidents occur .... "  ship goes wonkey , vers south and crashes into    " and the ship ran aground  at Gosford Australia . "  Then it flashes to the rock cleft at Gosford where there are some fake Hieroglyphs carved ; original started by some wags , then added to by an escaped mental patient a few years back    ( we know becasue he got caught doing it by a National Parks and Wildlife officer as its an offence to DAMAGE  things in a National Park  ), over the years others added to it . We know this due to photographic records that show over a period of recent years that there where a few , and now HEAPS of these fake hieroglyphs   .

 

Then the film cuts to two chaps  with Arabic or Islamic looking names and a voice over saying how the grammar is perfect and there is no mistake in them  - this is supposedly 'proved' y a quick flash of   a couple of signs with no context or explanation .

 

BLATANTLY FALSE

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-14/glyphs-reax/4428134

 

https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/tim-the-yowie-man/2021/03/the-gosford-glyphs-debunked/

 

You didnt even check Wikipedia first without swallowing this rubbish  ;

 

 " The glyphs have been dismissed as a hoax by authorities and academics after their discovery in the 1970s, but there are still attempts to prove the false belief that they were carved by the ancient Egyptians about 4,500 years ago.^{[1] "}

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosford_Glyphs

 

https://worldjournalnewspaper.com/gosford-glyphs/

 

" Some Hieroglyphs where undocumented and unknown until 2012 "          thats because they where made up recently !

 

Then the two guys talk - yes they believe it , its accurate .  THEY ARE BOTH TOUR GUIDES !  One is also an 'Egyptologist '   ( refrences ? qualifications ?  )

 

then we have the 'independent researcher '  that does the translation     ... where did they get THIS muppet !  He talks about how some of the hieroglyphs at Gosfprd are on the westcar papyrus  ... erm . WC payrus is one of the main published and displayed set of hieroglyphs all that demonstrated is the  source for recent copying

 

Then the Voice over woman goes on to tell the story . This comes from the real translator  Ray  Merton - Ray is dead now but I have met him and talked extensively . He was a reincarnation of Ra Heerakte  he had a ra herakte cult that had Brisbane Aboriginals as his followers and he had (supposedly ) doll houses  ( made from 1970s Scandinavian glass cupboard furnature with dolls and action figures dressed up in Egyptian costumes and the cupboards set as mini dioramas of Egyptian temples  and he would 'do mgic' and the dolls would come to life and do miniature rituals in their little temples  .

 

he had no qualifications  and he claimed the reason his interpretations where not accepted by the authorities was that  they where of a different and unusual type and he was the only person in the world that was an expert in this type . 

 

Also I tested him  and  asked him to translate some I had found . He started , it was WAY wack-a doodle but the he stopped and 'HEY This is the Famine Stellae ! "   Another well know document he should have recognized instantly .

 

THEN get this THEN she states  are they real of fake ? " NO other official source will say , one way or the other . "

 

Now that is an outright lie !

 

You have ben taken in , my friend ; hook, line and sinker .

 

Given that little display and the other part I watched that used the same outright BULLSHIT , I certainty am not going to bother with any other part of this rubbish .

 

Now, I note you neglected to address my point about their fake claim about superior Egyptian tunnels and our terrible badly mad modern ones  .... can you see my point there ?

 

 A simple yes or no will do thanks .

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

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The main reason I brought all of this up is due to the relevance of plato influence in Jewish mysticism, and not only do I believe this, but I believe Egypt is primitive by comparison of where it’s origins truly lie. I do believe ancient Khem to have been active 10,000 years ago, or at least 7,000 years ago. 

 

 

 

But WHY do you believe that ?  You have not been watching similar videos about that too have you ?  I hope you dont 'learn'  things off social medai as well ?

 

 

9 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

 

 

The sphinx though is much older (as it’s been proofed with so much water erosion). 

 

That would make it water proof   

 

Need I post the science  and geology on that ? It is not proved at all that it water erosion .

 

 

9 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

I believe this to be the earliest roots and as far back as we can see (in the region relevant to Judaism), In human history and the largest influences on Jewish thought, being so closely tied to Egypt. Am I wrong?

 

You are wrong . But its not  to late to learn . Sometimes history is even MORE AMAZING than made up or pseudo history .

 

 

9 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

 

As I’m expressing these as opinions, that is just what they are. I’m not asserting them as facts. 

 

So called facts are slippery , as we have seen . Be aware that some media wants to BS and manipulate you ... and it might not be coming from the quarter you think it is .

 

Its profitable to to look at where  the beliefs and opinions we have come from .

 

PS . When I was young I would lap that stuff up, Eric Von Dnniken and his ilk  fan ; I prided myself as an 'alternative researcher '  , I guess I researched 'too much '  . 

 

here is a little preset for you  ( sorry if you already know about this ) and it is factual  .....

 

Kon Tiki ?     Mhe .... 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vital_Alsar_Pacific_raft_expeditions

 

and these guys  ^   DID 'crash' into Australia ... not too far from my place ! 

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

Then the Voice over woman goes on to tell the story . This comes from the real translator  Ray  Merton - Ray is dead now but I have met him and talked extensively . He was a reincarnation of Ra Heerakte  he had a ra herakte cult that had Brisbane Aboriginals as his followers and he had (supposedly ) doll houses  ( made from 1970s Scandinavian glass cupboard furnature with dolls and action figures dressed up in Egyptian costumes and the cupboards set as mini dioramas of Egyptian temples  and he would 'do mgic' and the dolls would come to life and do miniature rituals in their little temples  .

How can you say this so casually haha

[Thrice Daily]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

But WHY do you believe that ?  You have not been watching similar videos about that too have you ? 

Sweet Jesus , thanks for taking time to write that. 
 

I did believe it, suckered in to that video I was. Don’t watch the rest of it what ever you do. If it’s incorrect it’s completely outrageous. They talk about the chemical constitution in the stone. And that it shows a quick chemical reaction , not a natural slow formation. The suggestion is made that each stone was created ‘there and then’ in wooden moulds and water passed by workers from the Nile was added to the mixture and set the stone.

So it made the huge size and incredible precision totally explainable. I think I must have been hypnotised 😵‍💫 

 

I don’t watch videos like this though no. I read books some 20 years ago when this wasn’t really wide spread on the internet. I seen there are shit loads of videos made these days largely ignored them. Haven’t had time last 8 years been super busy. I treated myself to this video though , bad choice 🤦‍♂️ 

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

[Thrice Daily]

5 minutes ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

Oh God.

[Nungali]

11 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

How can you say this so casually haha

 

because you would not believe the types I have run into in my 70 revolutions of the Sun .  I went to Ray's house and saw it all for myself ... errrm, NOT the dollies and action man 'Egyptians' coming to life though - an Aboriginal woman cult member told me about that ... with an angry look in her eyes as if she was daring me to question that .

 

This story gets  a lot weirder than that though ..... I got slightly inside their cult .  But thats way off topic ... its off topic for this off topic converstaion    .... off topic ²

[Nungali]

11 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

Sweet Jesus , thanks for taking time to write that. 
 

I did believe it, suckered in to that video I was. Don’t watch the rest of it what ever you do. If it’s incorrect it’s completely outrageous. They talk about the chemical constitution in the stone. And that it shows a quick chemical reaction , not a natural slow formation. The suggestion is made that each stone was created ‘there and then’ in wooden moulds and water passed by workers from the Nile was added to the mixture and set the stone.

 

They left the 'Nile mud' and the natron out of the formula  ?  tsk tsk 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natron

 

(its not that you could not make geopolymer in ancient egyopt, they had the materials , but see below

 

So it made the huge size and incredible precision totally explainable. I think I must have been hypnotised 😵‍💫 

 

I don’t watch videos like this though no. I read books some 20 years ago when this wasn’t really wide spread on the internet. I seen there are shit loads of videos made these days largely ignored them. Haven’t had time last 8 years been super busy. I treated myself to this video though , bad choice 🤦‍♂️ 

 

 

I dont know if that vid covered it but on this subject check Dr David Davidovitts   ( sic ? )   he was the original geo-polymer pyramid guy .

 

two things here ;  David is a wizz and made his fortune developing slow decay geo-polymer 'products' for deep site nuclear waste burial containment . So he has validity in that science  and made money out of it .  But when you read his books on it regarding the pyramids , he goes way too far .  The thing is we can SEE where the blocks came from , we can see the tool marks in the quarry and and on the stones .. we can see lots of things David glosses over and tweaks or totally ignores ... and that is not a good 'look' for a researcher .

 

But to sell books and make more money - its an excellent strategy  !  As a lot of people dont even notice  ! 

 

if you dont have expertise  or even some knowledge in related areas , the wool is easily pulled over our eyes  eg

 

How could ancient people with no modern tools have moved those huge blocks ? They didnt have cranes or winches ... its 'impossible '

 

Nah !

 

 

Edited October 28 by Nungali

[Nungali]

11 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

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So it made the huge size and incredible precision totally explainable. I think I must have been hypnotised 😵‍💫 

 

 

Close to it . here is how it works , and they do this in books to as well as youtubes .

 

1.  Some thing is suggested a few times , as a possibility, or they gloss over the proof or evidence  it becomes familiar .

 

2. After a while, when we get used to the idea they will change it to "as we saw previously '.

 

3. Then it subtly gets referred to as a fact .

 

4. Then this 'false fact ' gets referred to as some type of base to make other assumptions on , and these assumptions then  go back to stage 1 above .

 

before you know it you have been sucked into a web of BS  , that has been carefully crafted step by step .  One needs constant concentration to be aware of it , but once the pattern is detected , its obvious .  Also there is the motivation, why would someone do this ?

 

Anything  from 'to get hits ' through to  eg. the case of the 'Bosnian Pyramid' ... a LOT of the stuff on line about this , its proof and research comes from the Bosnian department oif tourism . You can even watch a youtube on it that will then offer you a group tour there , with an expert guide   ( who gets a free holiday OS at your groups expense   )

[Cobie]

 

9 minutes ago, Nungali said:

… The thing is we can SEE where the blocks came from , we can see the tool marks in the quarry and and on the stones ..

 

(joke alert) Well if you’re going to be rational about it, then where’s the fun in that;  spoilsport.