The Construction of Judaism

[Nungali]

12 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

No not at all. If it didnt happen, they did not eat anything. They had no more need for food than Casper the friendly ghost. But maybe you could check Out beduin diet? If it did happen, I guess it would be something like that.

 

 

 

 

 

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

3 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Lost in the desert 40 years !    Man ! It took me ONE DAY to get out ;   The Pinnacles ... what a place ! I was so vibed and amazed I just kept walking , stared out on dawn . After a while, and a lot of meandering in wonder , I was  getting hot, need water , shit ! How do I find my way back ?  I started out with the rising sun on my right but now it was nearly noon . I soon realised that with a bit of loose time calculation, watching how long it took the Sun to move  and considering the direction of shadows , I was able to go back the way I came ... it worked .

 

The Pinnacles :

 

 

This might border on bigotry, but I legit sometimes ponder how enviorments like these would affect culture and religion. Today it rained 189mm in my city… how could I possibly imagine the dessert. Competition was probally quite a bit fiercer. On the pluss side tho, I feel time somehow «moves more slowly» there, and they are less probe to get caught up by all the silly things we wonder about. Instead, my perception (which is based on literally nothing but prejudige) is that they spent more time focusing on the larger questions, like mans role in the universe.

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

4 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

 

 

 

 

Damn, looks superior to Whats available at my closest grocery store.

[Daniel]

14 hours ago, Sherman Krebbs said:

I guess I am objecting to the term faith, as it implies untruth (or at least potential untruth) in the very real experiences people have, whether they be in a church, synagogue, mosque, forest, nungalis garden, etc.  

 

I agree the word faith has a lot of baggage.  Maybe a better word is:  "wonder"?   

 

The context of comment is magic as defined / described by western-occult schools of thought.  My position is simply that, magic requires a sense of wonder.  If it is lacking that, it's no longer magic.  It's science.

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

15 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:

So how exactly did the Jews arrive in Isreal ?thats what I wanna frickin know, and where had they actually travelled from !!!!

Let me start by a disclaimer: this is very tinfoil!

 

BUT a page or two ago, I reccomended a video to Nungali. In that video, they mention how Herodotus had zero knowledge of the jews… they speculate that proto jews might be mentioned, tho:

 

Spoiler

 

There are no men who respect pledges more than the Arabians. This is how they give them: a man stands between the two pledging parties, and with a sharp stone cuts the palms of their hands, near the thumb; then he takes a piece of wood from the cloak of each and smears with their blood seven stones that lie between them, meanwhile calling on Dionysus and the Heavenly Aphrodite;

[2] after this is done, the one who has given his pledge commends the stranger (or his countryman if the other be one) to his friends, and his friends hold themselves bound to honor the pledge.

3] They believe in no other gods except Dionysus and the Heavenly Aphrodite; and they say that they wear their hair as Dionysus does his, cutting it round the head and shaving the temples. They call Dionysus, Orotalt; and Aphrodite, Alilat.¹

 

 

Herodotus, 8.3.1-3

 

Theory goes, somekind of hellenistic seapeople who got relocated after the defeat to Egypt, mixed with the local tribes and… that than became the jews. But again, crackpot theory.

 

Also, you mention how Mecca was prob not a muslim center at the beginning, I think you right: I belive most modern scholars think it was actually Petra.

[Cobie]

Imo, in order to handle the external world, science studies the external world and magic studies the internal world.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Cobie

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Thrice Daily said:

Yeah, at first I looked at the map and the massive detour that was apparently taken and figured the Egyptians would have thought them so completely nuts for taking that route back to Isreal they simply left them alone, or otherwise didn’t look in that direction at all as it was just too outrageous to think they would head out in that direction. 

 

Hang on, you know WHY they went in that direction ? They had a guide : 

 

" So he led the people around toward the Red Sea along the road of the wilderness. And the Israelites left the land of Egypt in battle formation. ...  And they moved on from Succoth and encamped at Etham, on the edge of the wilderness. ... By day the LORD went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night.Neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place in front of the people.  Then the Lord said to Moses " “Tell the Israelites to turn back and encamp near Pi Hahiroth, between Migdol and the sea. They are to encamp by the sea, directly opposite Baal Zephon." Pharaoh will think, ‘The Israelites are wandering around the land in confusion, hemmed in by the desert.’  ( and hence draw him towards the Red Sea  )  .

 

- this then enables stories of parting the sea to escape (drawn from other myths * ) to be inserted into this 'eclectic story ' .

 

He juxtaposes biblical descriptions of Moses' parting of the Red Sea with an account written by the historian Polybius  in which the Carthaginian general Hamilcar Barcas leads his armies across a wind-subsided river in the same geographical region. ... Crossing the Waters: Moses and Hamilcar.

 

https://www.jstor.org/stable/545919?mag=science-behind-weather-miracles&seq=1

 

Mental story. Islam isn’t much different with their whole idea of Medina being ancient and all the prophets being buried there. Totally outrageous too, no water there or camel stops whatsoever.  
 

So how exactly did the Jews arrive in Isreal ?thats what I wanna frickin know, and where had they actually traveled from !!!!

 

They didnt arrive in Israel as it had not been invented yet .    There is a lot of background info about all of this in the youtubes, links and citations offered as supportive evidence .

 

check the one Darius the Clairvoyant posted

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Nungali

[Nungali]

15 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

Daniel got some catching up to do now.

 

Daniel does not 'catch up' - he passes by 90% of it  , selects some thing or two he feels he can discredit  and then goes about that badly .  One assumes he is now busy listing every thing that  was left out of the Egyptian prayer that Jews didnt adopt . 

 

Seems to have missed the point that if anyone is going to appropriate someone else's story to their own ends they will adopt only those parts that support their own ends and not the parts that do not support their own ends . Obvious , no ?  <shrug> but that is how he chooses to run his  arguments .

 

A lot of belief and 'belief proof' seem to ignore certain basic underlying rational principles and understandings . 

[Nungali]

45 minutes ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

This might border on bigotry, but I legit sometimes ponder how enviorments like these would affect culture and religion. Today it rained 189mm in my city… how could I possibly imagine the dessert. Competition was probally quite a bit fiercer. On the pluss side tho, I feel time somehow «moves more slowly» there, and they are less probe to get caught up by all the silly things we wonder about. Instead, my perception (which is based on literally nothing but prejudige) is that they spent more time focusing on the larger questions, like mans role in the universe.

 

Absolutely !

 

and try sleeping under this ! 

 

 

One place I camped  was flat all the way around to all horizons . Now, most places I have been, sunset and night spread from the east ; the east sky is dark and can have  the first stars  while the western horizon might still be light and a bit blue . Out there , the middle of the sky starts to get dark with stars and that 'drops down' all around , 360 degrees , to leave a band of light blue sky circling around the  horizon with a dome of blackness and stars overhead .... then that last ring of light winks out .

 

and how many prophets   spent time alone in the desert and wilderness and then came back with an experience to communicate .

[Nungali]

53 minutes ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

Damn, looks superior to Whats available at my closest grocery store.

 

I need breakfast now .

[blue eyed snake]

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Absolutely !

 

and try sleeping under this ! 

 

 

One place I camped  was flat all the way around to all horizons . Now, most places I have been, sunset and night spread from the east ; the east sky is dark and can have  the first stars  while the western horizon might still be light and a bit blue . Out there , the middle of the sky starts to get dark with stars and that 'drops down' all around , 360 degrees , to leave a band of light blue sky circling around the  horizon with a dome of blackness and stars overhead .... then that last ring of light winks out .

 

and how many prophets   spent time alone in the desert and wilderness and then came back with an experience to communicate .