The Construction of Judaism

[Nungali]

11 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

 

 

Oh stop it, you !

 

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[Nungali]

Me  after watching 9 hrs of annunaki vid  : 

 

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[Thrice Daily]

What about the bits of wood sticking out of the blocks of stone though. That was a puzzling feature included in the video. I’m not sure how rafts of wood could have been passed through stone like that, unless it had been a cement job.

 

I guess if it’s been debunked, it’s been debunked, still leaves a lot of unsolved riddles though.

[Nungali]

16 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

 

(joke alert) Well if you’re going to be rational about it, then where’s the fun in that;  spoilsport.
 

 

 

 

here you go then ;

 

[Nungali]

15 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:

What about the bits of wood sticking out of the blocks of stone though. That was a puzzling feature included in the video. I’m not sure how rafts of wood could have been passed through stone like that, unless it had been a cement job.

 

I guess if it’s been debunked, it’s been debunked, still leaves a lot of unsolved riddles though.

 

Well, not EVERY block may have been carved , like I said , the material and ingredients  where there . However , such type of concrete wasnt really used until ;

 

https://www.wired.com/story/secret-roman-self-repairing-concrete/

 

I would examine the poles in stone more if it came from a more reliable source , the guys in the video could be merely lying and using photoshop  or similar ... its rather a common dishonesty .

 

The ancient world is FULL of unsolved riddles ... thats why I enjoy studying it ! 

 

Check out these tiny carvings  from  a 'lost civilization '  (the backdrop is a fingerprint )

 

 

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/central-asias-lost-civilization

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[Cobie]

21 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Me  after watching 9 hrs of annunaki vid  : 

 

Ahem, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, go have a wash dear. 
 

 

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[Nungali]

7 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Ahem, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, go have a wash dear. 
 

 

 

I need it after that !

 

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[Cobie]

@Nungali I thought you had your coloured contactlenzes in.  
 

 

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[Daniel]

On 10/26/2024 at 11:15 PM, Nungali said:

and the 'craft of magic' as he put it is NOT based on faith ... which Daniel says , totally wrong , its  Judaism that is based on faith  and 'religious paths' .  

 

This ^^ is a statement of faith.  It's absolute certainty lacking falsifiable evidence.  Faith.  This is why facts are ignored if they undermine certainty.   

 

If this "craft" of magic does not require faith, then, maybe you can demonstrate some magic?  Magic that exists beyond your mind and your imagination?  Or perhaps it cannot be demonstrated for those who lack faith in your version of magic?

 

Can you share some falsifiable, rational, scientific evidence of magic which does not require faith?

 

... I'll wait.

 

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[Cobie]

24 minutes ago, Daniel said:

... I'll wait.

Still waiting …

[Daniel]

On 10/26/2024 at 8:44 AM, Thrice Daily said:

Where did Hebrew actually come from, and why is it referred to as “the language of the Gods?”

 

" ... The language of the Gods?"

 

The Hebrew language among religious Jewish people is called Lashon Kodesh which literally means "holy language" or "consecrated language".  Lashon = language.  Kodesh ( very similar to Kadosh ) = holy / consecrated, but, consecration is merely a designation, a separation, or a distinction between the Hebrew language and the others which are deemed mundane.

 

I've been told, and I believe it's true, that the The "magical" or "heavenly" quality of the Hebrew language is not unlike the "magical" quality of Sanskrit and Arabic.  Hebrew's advantage is that its iconography adds layers of significance to each word as it is being uttered, and, relatively speaking, it's an easy language to learn; easier to learn for western audiences when compared to Arabic and Sanskrit.

 

There is also myth and Jewish legend that angels and demons ( whom are referred to, by some,  as Gods ) speak Hebrew.

 

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[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Cobie said:

@Nungali I thought you had your coloured contactlenzes in.  
 

 

 

Rose coloured ?

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Daniel said:

 

" ... The language of the Gods?"

 

The Hebrew language among religious Jewish people is called Lashon Kodesh which literally means "holy language" or "consecrated language".  Lashon = language.  Kodesh ( very similar to Kadosh ) = holy / consecrated, but, consecration is merely a designation, a separation, or a distinction between the Hebrew language and the others which are deemed mundane.

 

I've been told, and I believe it's true, that the The "magical" or "heavenly" quality of the Hebrew language is not unlike the "magical" quality of Sanskrit and Arabic.  Hebrew's advantage is that its iconography adds layers of significance to each word as it is being uttered, and, relatively speaking, it's an easy language to learn; easier to learn for western audiences when compared to Arabic and Sanskrit.

 

There is also myth and Jewish legend that angels and demons ( whom are referred to, by some,  as Gods ) speak Hebrew.

 

 

Anther one is that Angels  speak  .....   'Angelic language '   .   

 

https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-writings/enochian-mysterious-lost-language-angels-003100

 

 

 

Adgt upaah zong om faaip sald viv l sobam ialprg izazaz piadph casarma abramg ta talho paracleda q ta lorslq turbs ooge baltoh giui chis lusd orri od micalp chis bia ozongon lap noan trof cors ta ge oq manin iaidon torzu gohel zacar ca cnoqod zamran micalzo od ozazm vrelp lap zir ioiad.

 

 

Although :   " Linguist Donald Laycock, an Australian Skeptic, studied the Enochian journals, and argues against any extraordinary features. The untranslated texts of the Liber Loagaeth manuscript recall the patterns of glossolalia rather than true language. "  

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

Still waiting …

 

 

Of course I can .

 

I was just waiting for you to die .   

 

I was talking about REAL magic practice though not that old imitation  based on trickery and illusion, not stage magic, and not most of the modern BS  (which doesnt have a clue )

 

' Naturalistic Occultism: An Introduction to Scientific Illuminism is an attempt to introduce the approach of Scientific Illuminism to occultism. It is in line with the motto of Scientific Illuminism, "The Method of Science, the Aim of Religion." Naturalistic Occultism approaches the theory and practice of occultism in a way that is scientific (using the scientific method and being up-to-date in current scientific knowledge), naturalistic (not supernatural), and pragmatic (whatever works is provisionally 'true'). This book represents an honest attempt to separate the gold of the practice of magick from the dross of superstition and dogma. "

 

 

 

 

Next ! 

 

 

 

https://www.amazon.com.au/Naturalistic-Occultism-Introduction-Scientific-Illuminism/dp/1105589064

 

[Nungali]

For example ;  Do you know how to write up a scientific experiment  ?

 

One of the first headings should be  AIM .   Most people dont even know their aim when attempting magick, most ; " Errrmmmm , to see if it would work . "   Of course there are those that want to 'put a love spell' on someone ( ) , get money ,  their aims are obvious .

other things to consider are  ;  preparations , equipment , method , etc . All should be recorded .  Later in review or attempts at repeat experiments (one of basic definitions of science is an experiment should be able to be repeated in the same way and get the same result ) , things might come to light  Eg , if reviewing someone's work,  say in biology  we might notice " Hey ! There is no record of the operator here sterilizing his   forceps !  No wonder 'little bugs ' started multiplying 'spontaneously' !  )

 

and so on .  ... and on and on and on ....  this is an interesting game you guys got going here ; you keep bowling all sorts of bowls at me 'full toss, 'spinner ' even a 'mulligrubber '  and old Nungers hits em for 6 ... yet no score is kept and the bowler  can just ignore the sixes and keep hoiking balls down the pitch    

 

 

-   When a ball bowled by the bowler at the batsman (pitched by the pitcher to the batter in American parlance) stays very low and barely gets off the ground, what has happened is that the bowler has bowled a mulligrubber. Mulligrubbers are very hard for batsmen to hit. Many years ago a mulligrubber caused an international incident between Australia and New Zealand, and it reverberates to this day.

 

 

[Daniel]

4 hours ago, Daniel said:

Can you share some falsifiable, rational, scientific evidence of magic which does not require faith?

 

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

Of course I can .

 

Go ahead.  I'm sure the other readers will be interested in your rational evidence which is completely devoid of faith.

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

For example ;  Do you know how to write up a scientific experiment  ?

 

I do.

 

Please write up your scientific test which will produce falsifiable evidence of magic.

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

When a ball bowled by the bowler at the batsman (pitched by the pitcher to the batter in American parlance) stays very low and barely gets off the ground, what has happened is that the bowler has bowled a mulligrubber. Mulligrubbers are very hard for batsmen to hit. Many years ago a mulligrubber caused an international incident between Australia and New Zealand, and it reverberates to this day.

 

... convoluted and irrelevant ...

 

You're stalling. 

[Nungali]

31 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

... convoluted and irrelevant ...

 

 

 

Again , that just means  you didnt' get it '  . 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Daniel said:

 

 

 

Please write up your scientific test which will produce falsifiable evidence of magic.

 

I see , you want ME to prove MYSELF  wrong      . 

 

     Popper is a poop .

 

 Consider  ,  the book "Fashionable Nonsense '   where  physicists Sokal and Bricmont  criticised falsifiability. There is not  just ONE " Holy'  view on it from  Popper ...  of course you will now see him  as the ultimate view    and probably try to argue about that as well  )

 

They  discuss falsifiability because they see postmodernist epistemological relativism as a reaction to Popper's description of falsifiability, and more generally, to his theory of science.

 

Before you get too high on your horse, you better read this :

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashionable_Nonsense

 

 

Now , who else here thinks that I  can not  post valid  evidence  UNLESS Daniel can prove it wrong ? 

 

 

 

 

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[Cobie]

Some nice flowers. 

 

 

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[Sherman Krebbs]

16 hours ago, Daniel said:

 

Please write up your scientific test which will produce falsifiable evidence of magic.

14 hours ago, Nungali said:

who else here thinks that I  can not  post valid  evidence  UNLESS Daniel can prove it wrong ? 

 

 

I thought  @Nuralshamal's story about the lady and his toothbrush the other day was pretty falsifiable, rational, scientific evidence on magic which does not require faith.   When someone black magic's your toothbrush you don't have to take it on faith. : )

 

I for one don't think there is falsifiable, rational, scientific evidence of anything.  There is only experience.  Prove to me the color green. You can come up with an abstract theory about quantum particles flopping around at each other in the void.  But what I experience as green is something else entirely.  I don't need faith to prove what green is, so long as its given a name (there is the bizarre thing where people cant see colors unless they are given a name.  There was a whole tribe in africa that could not see blue because the had no word for it.  Look it up.  I believe this to be true of all experience. )   I for one have experienced and seen aural disturbances, which I have never thought of as pull a dead rabbit out of your hat magic per se.  I dont need faith to know that I have experienced them. I even made paintings of some of them.   You may have experienced deeply spiritual things.  Those experiences do not require faith.  Its the abstract story that you tell yourself around the experience that requires the faith.

 

And on that point doesn't faith imply that the the thing itself is patently false.  Why does someone have to have faith in some theory or a belief, rather than just being the thing that the purport to have faith in.  I dont get it.  Though I have recently realized that I might have a  black magic problem, so you may give my words the weight they deserve.  

[Nungali]

10 hours ago, Cobie said:

Some nice flowers. 

 

 

 

Coby, you should see the tree that has blossomed all over it in my garden   ( actually two  types of puffball flowers next to each other :

 

masses of them all over the tree

 

 

-  'powder puff ' lilli-pilli tree .  They have little fruits, a large source of food , pre-colonialism .  Very much like a rose apple ( the top pic has a 'spicy' taste to them )   , which is a tree a have nearby which is also flowering ATM 

 

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Sherman Krebbs said:

 

 

I thought  @Nuralshamal's story about the lady and his toothbrush the other day was pretty falsifiable, rational, scientific evidence on magic which does not require faith.   When someone black magic's your toothbrush you don't have to take it on faith. : )

 

I for one don't think there is falsifiable, rational, scientific evidence of anything.  There is only experience.  Prove to me the color green. You can come up with an abstract theory about quantum particles flopping around at each other in the void.  But what I experience as green is something else entirely.  I don't need faith to prove what green is, so long as its given a name (there is the bizarre thing where people cant see colors unless they are given a name.  There was a whole tribe in africa that could not see blue because the had no word for it.  Look it up.  I believe this to be true of all experience. )   I for one have experienced and seen aural disturbances, which I have never thought of as pull a dead rabbit out of your hat magic per se.  I dont need faith to know that I have experienced them. I even made paintings of some of them.   You may have experienced deeply spiritual things.  Those experiences do not require faith.  Its the abstract story that you tell yourself around the experience that requires the faith.

 

And on that point doesn't faith imply that the the thing itself is patently false.  Why does someone have to have faith in some theory or a belief, rather than just being the thing that the purport to have faith in.  I dont get it.  Though I have recently realized that I might have a  black magic problem, so you may give my words the weight they deserve.  

 

I like this  ^  .

 

Take you point about green .

 

There are only 3 colors , the primaries . 'Certain people' will argue with you, insist, show evidence, cross reference and 'proof' . There is no green ! .   But primaries are 'ideal' , 'above the abyss'  ,' they are  the 'ideas' we have about things .

 

But in the natural world, there are FOUR 'natural colors' as they call them  ;  red , blue, yellow and green .

[Nungali]

Anyway , moving along  and back  onto the subject of this thread , I will start this bit with a  simple summary  and cite J. S Paul , as I think he has an accurate and simple way with words ;

 

" By the end of the nineteenth century scholars were changing the historic landscape in dramatic ways. For one thing, they began to learn much more about the connections between the Egyptians and other cultures in their sphere of influence.  Because ofthis, scholars began to learn what the Jews and other cultures had borrowed from Egyptian mythology.

 

"The evidence that Egyptian religion influenced Judaism and Christianity is not far-fetched at all. The Jewish religion has murky Canaanite origins that were strongly influenced by Mesopotamian contact during the Babylonian Captivity. Also, researchers know that Christianity began in Palestine around two thousand years ago as a sect of Judaism. From Jerusalem, it’s only 263 land miles to Cairo, Egypt, the site of one of the world’s oldest and most advanced civilizations.

 

"Even in ancient times, it wasn’t difficult to travel between the two cultures. As an example,  the Gospel of Matthew told of Joseph, Mary, and the infant Jesus fleeing to Egypt to avoid King Herod’s slaughter of innocent Jewish babies.

 

" It was a great relief for me to learn that there is no evidence that the massacre really happened. There is also no evidence that Jews slaughtered the Canaanites and or any other tribes as it states in the Book of Joshua. Those seem to be nothing but violent stories to get the reader’s attention and teach cultural lessons.

 

"  ... The Egyptians practiced circumcision long before the Jews did, even though it was the distinguishing sign of Jewish adherence to their god’s covenant.

 

"The Old Testament Book of Ezekiel mentions a temple. Some think it was the Temple of Amarna in Egypt, not the Temple in Jerusalem.

 

" The most sacred parts of the Jewish temple, the Holy of Holies, and the sacrificial altar had equivalents in Egyptian religion.

 

" The Ark of the Covenant was similar to an object found in the tomb of King Tut. Historians have also discovered evidence that the Egyptians took a similar “holy” case with winged guardians attached to it into battle for good luck.

 

"Psalm 104 follows the same format and almost paraphrases the Great Hymn to Aten.  "

 

 

 

" By the late first century, Flavius Josephus, the much-quoted Jewish historian, was already doubting the Hebrew Bible’s tale of the exodus from Egypt. Apparently, Josephus thought the Jews were confusing the exodus with the Egyptian expulsion of the Hyksos people. They were a historical Middle Eastern ethnic group that had ruled Northern Egypt for about a hundred year period at about the time Moses would have lived.

 

" To date, investigator have found no evidence to confirm the biblical exodus actually occurred. The Egyptians kept copious historical records and the closest story to the exodus story they have is when one leader led a small population of Egyptians (not Jews) into the Sinai Desert.  "

 

Moses  ? 

 

" The name Moses is Egyptian in origin. It means something like “child of the water” or “child of the Nile”.  It seems the writers of Exodus plucked stories of Moses right out of Egyptian mythology. According to Massey, maybe none of the biblical Exodus is based on actual history. That includes the tales of the pharaoh’s daughter finding Moses floating in the reed basket, the burning bush, the summons from God to free his people, the rod that turned into a snake and parted the Red Sea, the ten plagues, the forty years in the wilderness, the manna falling from heaven, the pillars of fire and clouds that guided the Jews, the golden calf, and even the ten commandments.

 

" Much of this information is very difficult to assimilate into what we learned in church. But as more evidence is becoming available, the story becomes more clear. Now historical scholars know that the Jewish people came from the Canaanite culture many centuries after the Egyptian culture reached its peak. Since they were basically next-door neighbors, Egyptian influence on the Jews was profound. The Jews also borrowed stories like Job and Noah from the Mesopotamians during their captivity. Then, they adapted a significant amount of their theology to Zoroastrianism while in contact with the Persians after the Babylonian exile.

The Old Testament didn’t drop out of the clouds as a fully bound scripture. Sages and scribes maintained their mythological history by oral tradition the best they could. The books of their Bible were not all accepted as scripture until around 200 AD.

 

" If people insist on believing in myths instead of evidence that’s their choice. I think it does tremendous harm to our society for people to refuse to trust our cultural bank of knowledge, which comes from the domain of scientists and historians, not theologians and preachers. "