Cobie Posted August 30 Some think Lao Tzu was essentially summarising the collected wisdom of the previous few thousand years. Then the DDJ was edited by various sages. Chapters 70–81 of the DDJ were not yet composed at the time the Guodian slips were copied. The DDJ was finally declared 'finished' and definitive with the Wang Bi of about 1800 years ago (the received text). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sahaja Posted September 4 I am curious if there are any commentaries on Laozi that don’t mix Confucianism into it. Mixing traditions adds coloring that has some obscuring effect. I wonder if there were any Daoists that reinterpreted Analects from a Daoist (Laozi, Zhuang xi , Liezi) philosophical perspective. it might be interesting to see the coloring the other way. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted September 4 (edited) On 8/31/2024 at 1:29 AM, Cobie said: . Chapters 70–81 of the DDJ were not yet composed at the time the Guodian slips were copied. may be they were, just not included into GD 2 hours ago, Sahaja said: I am curious if there are any commentaries on Laozi that don’t mix Confucianism into it that would be buddhist commentary https://www.academia.edu/26284677/Exploring_the_Common_Ground_Buddhist_Commentaries_on_the_Taoist_Classic_Laozi and even those will probably have Conf undertones just by virtue of being chinese which equates being confucian 2 hours ago, Sahaja said: I wonder if there were any Daoists that reinterpreted Analects from a Daoist (Laozi, Zhuang xi , Liezi) philosophical perspective There are stories about Conf in ZZ, so thats one interpretation. But such reinterping strictly Analects per se was not not possible since those Daoists and their perspective ended before the received Analects were put together. (besides it is generally not recognized that Confucianism=Daoism. two sides of the same coin) Edited September 4 by Taoist Texts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sahaja Posted September 4 I realize Wang Bi made a valiant effort (emphasizing self so and wuwei) but still the two views are so different. Buddhism adds coloring that seems similar to Confucianism’s coloring to me. I guess all we really have outside these three texts (maybe add in a fourth, Nei Yeh) is Xuanxue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 4 36 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said: may be … palaeography. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted September 4 27 minutes ago, Cobie said: palaeography. just one Guodian find is inconclusive 55 minutes ago, Sahaja said: I guess all we really have outside these three texts (maybe add in a fourth, Nei Yeh) is Xuanxue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiang'er Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted September 4 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Taoist Texts said: ... one Guodian … Paleography e.g. looks at the differences (e.g. in characters/style/contents) of all existing Ch.s 70-81 with the rest of the chapters. Edited September 4 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forestofclarity Posted September 4 6 hours ago, Sahaja said: any commentaries Doesn't the Heshang commentary fit the bill? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites