What is fajin, 發勁?

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, Thrice Daily said:

I like the concept of letting the universe do it

 

Not so much ego.

 

Its like doing something without doing something

That sounds like you got the western idea about Laozte's Philosophy of Wu Wei. Accomplished something by doing nothing.

 

Back to Fajin, the basic idea is 听勁，Ting Jin(listening to Jin). I need to apply it here to listen to what you are saying. You had said that "easier said than done." My interpretation is that you have not done push-hand before but just talking about it. Well in push-hand may be done solo. One still can listen to one's own Jin. To begin with, one's muscles must be relaxed or 松(song). At the condition of song, there is no Jin in the muscles. As soon Fajin was executed, one will sense the tension of Jin in the muscles by Ting Jin. By Fajin, here, means a little force was exerted by the arm muscles.

Edited September 27 by ChiDragon

[Thrice Daily]

I have practiced with people yes.

And Chi Sau also as it is done with Wing Chun, when it is very relaxed this can be a little like push hands. 
 

The key thing I remember about push hands with a partner, it was not about winning or losing, but it was very much about maintaining attention . Attending to grounding and balance sure.

 

it is almost like there is some mystery at play who will lose the balance first, but with a great sense of fun and fair play it can get very interesting 

 

but much like tennis or or racquet sorts with two players if they go for the smash shot every time, it’s not so much fun for anyone 

[ChiDragon]

On 9/27/2024 at 1:23 PM, Thrice Daily said:

 

The key thing I remember about push hands with a partner, it was not about winning or losing, but it was very much about maintaining attention . Attending to grounding and balance sure.

 

it is almost like there is some mystery at play who will lose the balance first, but with a great sense of fun and fair play it can get very interesting 

Yes, that is the whole idea. This is, also, where to apply "using 4 ounce to sway one thousand pounds, 四兩撥千斤.

Edited October 9 by ChiDragon

[Thrice Daily]

Hmm yes, quite... Do like the way you use Chinese Characters in your posts by the way. Do you speak Mandarin, I guess you know Traditional Chinese and not just Simplified. Is that right?

 

[ChiDragon]

2 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

Hmm yes, quite... Do like the way you use Chinese Characters in your posts by the way. Do you speak Mandarin, I guess you know Traditional Chinese and not just Simplified. Is that right?

 

Thank you! Yes, I do speak Mandarin and know both traditional and Simplified Chinese characters.

The reason I used them in my posts was to be sure that is what I am talking about.

Edited September 27 by ChiDragon

[Thrice Daily]

It’s good I like it. When I have time I’d like to do a little study. It’s a fascinating way for written  language to develop, through ideographs. Awesome additional meaning otherwise lost to mundane fast and modern communication. 

[ChiDragon]

Fajin demo

https://youtu.be/5cR1dKpzFGE?si=dNMedYJiaCPBCRWG

[ChiDragon]

Demo of grounding and controlling the magnitude of Fajin.

 

Edited September 29 by ChiDragon

[ChiDragon]

Intermediate Taiji class of Fajin:

https://youtu.be/-EQVytS27yk?si=fcAEWQ6-w8-cwM8W

[ChiDragon]

Taiji master Fajin demo:

https://youtu.be/D14-sNBn798?si=wyFDzV_QE_ohuK4c

[ChiDragon]

Fajin to break a brick:

https://youtube.com/shorts/tQu-seWeyOg?si=nlsH0R41d5xSPQ0o

[ChiDragon]

Fajin moving the whole body by turning the wasit:

https://youtube.com/shorts/DI7_4Ku7NzM?si=jd1gEMs3kbjmHg3C

Edited September 29 by ChiDragon

[qin00b]

On 9/27/2024 at 2:36 PM, ChiDragon said:

Well in push-hand may be done solo

Any resources to review to learn this? 

[ChiDragon]

2 hours ago, qin00b said:

Any resources to review to learn this? 

Push-hand is a high level skill in Taiji. In order to learn push-hand,  it requires many years of practice of the basic movements to condition the body to fajing(發勁). The jing(勁) needs to be built up in the body for this level of training. Normally, to experience it, one needs to learn it from a teacher. It is hard to describe it in words. One cannot find a good source online for solo training. 

What I did was practice with a light weight elongated punching bag with a spring attached at the bottom and stand on the floor with a heavy base. I touch it with my hand and push back and forth with circular motion. I stand on a bow stance and move my waist accordingly. It exercise the whole body.

If you like, I could make video and post it here. 

Edited October 30 by ChiDragon

[qin00b]

2 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

If you like, I could make video and post it here. 

 

I can visualize something that sounds right - I used to do something similar with a heavy bag while learning kickboxing. If you could make a video, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Edited October 30 by qin00b

[ChiDragon]

On 10/29/2024 at 8:42 PM, qin00b said:

. If you could make a video, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Push hand:

Fajing: 
https://youtu.be/umKGI9pPuT8

Edited November 1 by ChiDragon

[qin00b]

Very good. Thanks for sharing.