What is the dan in neidan and dan tian? 丹

[ChiDragon]

2 minutes ago, Antares said:

BTW what does Dragon symbolize, you know it?

Get to the point.

[Antares]

8 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Get to the point.

I know some people want quick solutions like "seat and breath into" but it is not the case in daoist system. Today opened a book of a "daoist master" who is quite revered in this forum and read his recommendation to concentrate on the area just above the anus and this should reveal LDT. Honestly I dont know who can buy this idea and why so many people follow such theories and methods.

 

 

[ChiDragon]

On 9/21/2024 at 11:48 AM, Antares said:

I see. And what about this one?

 

This contains two symbols from the Yijing(易經). Do you know what they meant?

[Antares]

2 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Do you know what they meant?

sure

[ChiDragon]

2 minutes ago, Antares said:

Honestly I dont know who can buy this idea and why so many people follow such theories and methods.

If you don't understand, then don't buy and don't do it. That's all.

[ChiDragon]

1 minute ago, Antares said:

sure

What?

[Forestgreen]

32 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

I don't jump back and forth between systems. I stay with the Chinese Taoist concepts. I didn't touch any of the Hindus stuff to confuse the hell out of everybody. No thanks!

Actually, those terms would be less confusing. 

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

7 minutes ago, Antares said:

Today opened a book of a "daoist master" who is quite revered in this forum and read his recommendation to concentrate on the area just above the anus and this should reveal LDT.

Now you have to tell us who it is 

[ChiDragon]

1 minute ago, Forestgreen said:

Actually, those terms would be less confusing. 

If that is the case, then, stay away from the Chinese stuff to save some arguments.

[Antares]

Just now, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Now you have to tell us who it is 

I dont want to promote him but he is very famous

[Forestgreen]

3 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

If that is the case, then, stay away from the Chinese stuff to save some arguments.

And stay away from these fine discussions?

[Forestgreen]

3 minutes ago, Antares said:

I dont want to promote him but he is very famous

So, you have his book(s) then?

😁 

 

[ChiDragon]

1 minute ago, Forestgreen said:

And stay away from these fine discussions?

What fine discussions?

[Antares]

1 minute ago, Forestgreen said:

So, you have his book(s) then?

Oh I used to read his books years ago finding it interesting... Then I realized it is not for me. Then I realized this is westernized neidan.

I have pdf's. Opened coz somebody asked my opinion on his methods and I had to re- read it to show that person problem with that approach

[ChiDragon]

17 minutes ago, Antares said:

read his recommendation to concentrate on the area just above the anus and this should reveal LDT.

What he said is true.

[Forestgreen]

2 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

What fine discussions?

This thread, for one. 

A mighty fine thread, where we do not discuss the specifics of the splendid nature of the vocabulary of traditional chinese daoist alchemical texts. 

[ChiDragon]

1 minute ago, Antares said:

westernized neidan

WOW Is that a new invention?

[Antares]

2 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

What he said is true.

Well for some people it might work. But for 90 % of others it might cause issues

[ChiDragon]

1 minute ago, Forestgreen said:

This thread, for one. 

A mighty fine thread, where we do not discuss the specifics of the splendid nature of the vocabulary of traditional chinese daoist alchemical texts. 

Then what are we here for?

[ChiDragon]

1 minute ago, Antares said:

Well for some people it might work. But for 90 % of others it might cause issues

I feel sorry for them then!

[Thrice Daily]

9 hours ago, Forestgreen said:

 

It is definetly not about seminal fluid.

This Thread is cracking me up now. It’s very funny. 
 

I seem mentioned on here that some practitioners go the whole hog and just include both the legs as the lower dam tien too, which I found quite funny. 
 

I think focusing on the legs can be helpful when standing to alternate focus on the lower dan tien.

 

 

How important do you guys feel breath work is working with Lower Dan Tien . Do you bother with Breath at all in Neidan or just tend to release it to natural breath and yi instead to focus internally without placing emphasis on breath. 
 

Im interested to know what a Neidan practice would look like if you were viewed practicing, sitting in stillness with relaxed breath?

 

spontaneous movements? Hand mudras if they arise? 

Edited September 25 by Thrice Daily

[Forestgreen]

Just now, ChiDragon said:

Then what are we here for?

Bickering, mostly.

My spiritual dad is bigger than yours,  that kind of things. 

[Antares]

I know a person who teaches others to concentrate on "third eye" area and this should set off downward kundalini flow, then it activates upward kundalini... then they meet and do the work. It is "integral yoga". He said he taught 3 other people and they got enlightenment.

 

[Antares]

7 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

I feel sorry for them then!

so is it ur experience that LDT is just above the anus?

[Thrice Daily]

9 minutes ago, Antares said:

so is it ur experience that LDT is just above the anus?

the perenium and all the pc muscles on the way to coccyx and sacrum I feel are all valuable to get to know better and try to isolate and activate

 

as is contracting the anus and learning to contract the prostate. Doesn’t it all help to activate as much of this area as possible to help with mco / bringing awareness there.

 

it feels like it’s very valuable to me and get the area physically sucking in and out gaining strength in all the tissues there

 

I guess you could do it without and just by sitting you would still create a good amount of pressure and activity there (if you have at least two or three hours a day to sit, that’s been my experience, at least that)

 

I don’t know, I feel like all of that is the underside of where the dan tien sits. It makes sense to keep it strong no?  
 

I’ve developed in meditation before and neglected my lower centres, and felt kinda cut off from my sexuality, like I didn’t need it, didn’t feel all that healthy for me, prefer to keep it integrated. 
 

I'm not a priest or a monk and I felt there was a tendency to accelerate rapidly down that path if I only concentrated on upper centres. 
 

Do you feel there is a sexual energy component when dealing with the lower dan tien or not at all?

 

Is it something you relate to?, work with? Or ignore? Shun? Or it just isn’t part of your material existence as a Neidan practitioner?

 

I ask that question to all of you on this thread if you manage to see this post. Cheers it’s been fun reading so far @ChiDragon @Shadow_self @Forestgreen @Antares @ꦥꦏ꧀-ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ/

Edited September 25 by Thrice Daily