What is the dan in neidan and dan tian? 丹

[ChiDragon]

17 minutes ago, Antares said:

I know a person who teaches others to concentrate on "third eye" area and this should set off downward kundalini flow, then it activates upward kundalini... then they meet and do the work. It is "integral yoga". He said he taught 3 other people and they got enlightenment.

 

You should be enlightened by now, no?

[Antares]

Interesting picture

[Antares]

Just now, ChiDragon said:

You should be enlightened by now, no?

No I got issues. But i did that before he suggested. I had solid background in it

[Antares]

7 minutes ago, Thrice Daily said:

the perenium and all the pc muscles on the way to coccyx and sacrum I feel are all valuable to get to know better and try to isolate and activate

 

as contracting the anus and learning to contract the prostate. Doesn’t it all help to activate as much as this area as possible to help with mco 

First of all concentration on the physical body may cause channels blockages

Secondly it may cause false fire rising

Thirdly it may cause deviations - lust, desire and so on...

[Thrice Daily]

3 minutes ago, Antares said:

First of all concentration on the physical body may cause channels blockages

Secondly it may cause false fire rising

Thirdly it may cause deviations - lust, desire and so on...

So do you have a sex life or sexual fantasies of any kind or have you just cut those out completely 

[ChiDragon]

21 minutes ago, Antares said:

so is it ur experience that LDT is just above the anus?

Don't you know that LDT is in between your anus and navel?

[Antares]

1 minute ago, Thrice Daily said:

So do you have a sex life or sexual fantasies of any kind or have you just cut those out completely 

at the moment no lust or desire for i live in remote area almost in the forest

need to check it when go socializing but the more i practice the more i realize what is what and i like internal ecstasy

wasting it is just like giving out the water u really need to drink

no masturbation, no porn ofc

[Antares]

8 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Don't you know that LDT is in between your anus and navel?

there is no LDT i am afraid but there is specific channel

that book author confused things

[ChiDragon]

2 minutes ago, Antares said:

there is no LDT i am afraid but there is specific channel

that book author confused things

Is this all Hindus stuff that you had learned from?

[Antares]

Just now, ChiDragon said:

Is this all Hindus stuff that you had learned from?

WHAT?

[ChiDragon]

7 minutes ago, Antares said:

the more i practice the more i realize what is what and i like internal ecstasy

wasting it is just like giving out the water u really need to drink

no masturbation, no porn ofc

By your feedback，I still don't know what you are practicing.

[ChiDragon]

5 minutes ago, Antares said:

WHAT?

Read the quote from your own words.

 

 

Edited September 25 by ChiDragon

[Antares]

18 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Don't you know that LDT is in between your anus and navel?

I just say this is misconception. Did u get it from that book? I am sorry then

[ChiDragon]

2 minutes ago, Antares said:

I just say this is misconception. Did u get it from that book? I am sorry then

I don't know where you are getting all these misconceptions. It seems you are reading the wrong stuff. I am sorry too. There is no need to talk about these nonsense stuff from you. I know how much you know now. So, peace between us.

[Thrice Daily]

28 minutes ago, Antares said:

at the moment no lust or desire for i live in remote area almost in the forest

need to check it when go socializing but the more i practice the more i realize what is what and i like internal ecstasy

wasting it is just like giving out the water u really need to drink

no masturbation, no porn ofc

I can relate to that I really can. I was ready to take up robes at one point. 
 

It was certainly the sad reality I faced when I was practicing for many hours a day. 
 

I would get with a female and my energy would completely degrade and practice would be pretty much reset (if you know what I mean) 

 

My problem I think looking back is I never found a girl who was cultivating herself in a strong way to complement my own practices.

 

I wish you luck In all of it whatever path you take , sex , no sex , robes , cave , forest (sounds cool) etc

 

For me it’s best to keep in balance, health, sexual, martial, meditative/religious.
Fill up each of those jars a little bit each day

Edited September 25 by Thrice Daily

[ChiDragon]

Just now, Thrice Daily said:

I wish you luck In all of it whatever path you take , sex , no sex , robes , cave , forest (sounds cool) etc

 

He has no sysytem, no path, no practice of any kind. Nothing but just emty bomb shells. 

I am only judging from his feedback. It reveals them all.

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

What he said is true.

 

1 hour ago, Antares said:

Well for some people it might work. But for 90 % of others it might cause issues

 

Come on you have to tell us who it is now!

[ChiDragon]

Just now, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

 

 

Come on you have to tell us who it is now!

I don't know who he meant. He is always telling a half-S story. The real thruth has never been come out from him but empty bomb shells. He said he knew something but could not tell what it was. He can only tell you that it is not. 

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

BOOK BOOK BOOK BOOK!

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

1 hour ago, Thrice Daily said:

Do you feel there is a sexual energy component when dealing with the lower dan tien or not at all?

 

Is it something you relate to?, work with? Or ignore? Shun? Or it just isn’t part of your material existence as a Neidan practitioner?

Yes there is. The more celibate you are, the better for your cultivation. But this doesn’t mean not ejaculating, but keeping your mind clear of desire and lust. 

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, Thrice Daily said:

 

 

How important do you guys feel breath work is working with Lower Dan Tien . Do you bother with Breath at all in Neidan or just tend to release it to natural breath and yi instead to focus internally without placing emphasis on breath. 
 

Im interested to know what a Neidan practice would look like if you were viewed practicing, sitting in stillness with relaxed breath?

 

spontaneous movements? Hand mudras if they arise? 

All martial arts and internal practice relies on breathwork. Without breathwork, one will accomplish nothing. Natural breathing depends on how deep can one breathe. Everyone has a different depth baseline of breathing. If one can breathe deep down to the baseline, then, it was considered to be the natural breathing condition of that individual. 

A Neidan practice would look like, exactly, sitting in stillness with natural breathing as described above. I am assuming that you are talking about the kind of Neidan for health and longevity only. Nowadays, the term Neidan, people have changed the definition widely.
 

Spontaneous movements?
I am assuming that you  are talking about 自發功, Spontaneous Qigong. That is a form of Qigong which is dangerous to some practitioners who cannot stop the practice to ended. The practitioner may go insane under this condition.

Hand mudras if they arise?  
I had no knowledge of that. Perhaps it may be an esoteric term from other forms!

[forestofclarity]

2 hours ago, Forestgreen said:

A mighty fine thread, where we do not discuss the specifics of the splendid nature of the vocabulary of traditional chinese daoist alchemical texts. 

 

Not to mention a thread dedicated to defining what one of these terms means. 

 

My impression is that people are all over the place, which leads to a lot of confusion and arguments. 

[ChiDragon]

16 minutes ago, forestofclarity said:

 

Not to mention a thread dedicated to defining what one of these terms means. 

 

My impression is that people are all over the place, which leads to a lot of confusion and arguments. 

Yes, that is true. If one doesn't stick to one definition, rather using multi definitions and terms from one system applied to another. Crossing systems is confusing like hell. I see that is what people are doing here for their arguments. 

Edited September 25 by ChiDragon

[ChiDragon]

2 hours ago, Antares said:

Interesting picture

Are you assuming that I know you knew the whole picture and practice your neidan from it?

[Forestgreen]

5 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

A Neidan practice would look like, exactly, sitting in stillness with natural breathing as described above. I am assuming that you are talking about the kind of Neidan for health and longevity only. Nowadays, the term Neidan, people have changed the definition widely.

Nowadays, as since the WuZhenPian was written, and the goal was set to awaken to reality rather than health and longevity. 

Zhang Boduan is supposed to have lived 1000 years ago. Nowadays?