Golden Dragon - Kunlun or other arts?

[Aetherous]

Yoda is my friend, and I respect his decision to take care of his kids when things seemed sketchy to him.

[Magitek]

Edited July 25, 2009 by Magitek

[Trunk]

Oh, I see. So, people are doing practices that open them up to perceive the Tao and they can't handle it? ...

 

How people diminish the significance of harming children, and neglect the care that should be taken to avoid that, is beyond me.

[Lucky7Strikes]

Maybe you can tell these entities to fuck off because they are part of your own mind? Maybe you are the sovereign king because you created all these entities in your alchemical laboratory (body) so to speak. I say this because I was reading that Taoist Yoga book by Charles Luk and to me it seems very much like alchemy is a physical process, happening in the body, perhaps creating an ultra-powerful imagination and thus creating the higher dimensions, and light bodies .etc. If it wasn't why the hell would there be all this talk of diet, semen retention(personally, I reckon that is pretty common sense) and very specific physical postures.

 

So, maybe the practices give you a powerful imagination, which his really great, but then you can get sucked into their whole mythology and get into a cult. I'm not saying its a cult, but some people indicate they are uneasy about the group and it might not be because they haven't got what it takes to reach enlightenment .etc .etc.

 

They say the astral, mental planes .etc, are higher then the physical plane.... How can you really know that? Honestly, I want to know. If someone knows the truth of this firsthand please tell me. I read Madame Blavatsky and the theosophy movement was a trick. Here is a heartbreaking quote from Stripping the Gurus:

I'd like to see what you all make of what I say and I am open to your ideas too.

 

Everything comes from the mind. Even reality itself. Deities are just as real as the table in front of you,which is to say not very real at all.

 

Alchemy is not only a physical practice. The physical plane is dependent on the mind, energies, intent and so forth. You're holding the physical reality to be THE reality, and it isn't. People do develop abilities, but I believe they are reluctant to share them because of all the negativity they will engender from the skeptics (this is one of the reasons I respect Max).

 

Those of the theosophy movement who used imitative methods did exactly that: Imitation. The mythology is there for a reason. Idiots make it into self serving politics because they too are skeptics.

[Satori]

Trunk that is a shitty accusation, based on nothing.

 

You seem to be trying to make the case that scary monsters are attached to Max's lineage and if you do your practice your children will be the victims.

 

Sorry dude but that is fucking retarded.

 

I think you are just scared of things you shouldn't be and you are spreading that irrational fear with others. Talk about irresponsible...

[Lucky7Strikes]

Trunk that is a shitty accusation, based on nothing.

 

You seem to be trying to make the case that scary monsters are attached to Max's lineage and if you do your practice your children will be the victims.

 

Sorry dude but that is fucking retarded.

 

I think you are just scared of things you shouldn't be and you are spreading that irrational fear with others. Talk about irresponsible...

 

There is nothing wrong with being cautious.

 

I don't know if you've ever sifted through Trunk's work an alchemical Taoism, but I'd be hesitant to call the man irresponsible.

 

And you just started a thread saying how you believe reptilians are attached to a public internet forum. .

 

Your last few posts really do show the progress you have made on the Path . Perhaps you've become attached to your own achievements in shifting through these experiences.

 

Chop wood. Carry water.

[Satori]

There is nothing wrong with being cautious.

 

I don't know if you've ever sifted through Trunk's work an alchemical Taoism, but I'd be hesitant to call the man irresponsible.

 

And you just started a thread saying how you believe reptilians are attached to a public internet forum. .

 

Your last few posts really do show the progress you have made on the Path . Perhaps you've become attached to your own achievements in shifting through these experiences.

 

Chop wood. Carry water.

There is no progress on the path really though, right? Ouroboros. Pride is a trap, piety is a trap, a sense of having achieved a certain level is a trap. Only brutal honesty sets you free.

 

Let's just say Trunk may be cautious to a fault. Sounds like he's just plain scared of the lizard folk. And it was Yoda's fascination and desire to know about reptilians that created his reality. So let's take some responsibility for your stuff guys...quit trying to tag it on others.

 

I am simply speaking out against that kind of ignorance and those who, from a place of ignorance, plant the seed of doubt that ultimately turns folks away from something potentially wonderful.

 

And my "we, we, we" includes all of us. We are all royalty as 11th dimensional beings who have come into this lower density state to take on a human life. The beings that appear in our rooms at night ARE almost always there and they are simply observing us for their own education as they consider the possibility of one day bravely taking on a human life themselves.

 

Chop wood, carry water and if you REALLY care, slap the shit out of fear, ignorance, and self-doubt.

[TexasNative]

Sounds like he's just plain scared of the lizard folk. And it was Yoda's fascination and desire to know about reptilians that created his reality. So let's take some responsibility for your stuff guys...quit trying to tag it on others.

 

First I heard of reptiles was at a Kunlun seminar. Next I heard of them and ufo's and aliens was on the Kunlun forum. They weren't part of my reality before that time. The bedside manner in regards to how the Kunlun camp deals with the whole subject and how you continue to deal with folks who experience fear with it is not above reproach. If Trunk and Yoda wrote about their fears here it means they didn't have anyone else to talk with about it.

 

So I'm going to throw this back at you where it also deserves to be.

 

I am simply speaking out against that kind of ignorance and those who, from a place of ignorance, plant the seed of doubt that ultimately turns folks away from something potentially wonderful.

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Edited August 25, 2009 by -O-

[TexasNative]

I think you are just scared of things you shouldn't be and you are spreading that irrational fear with others. Talk about irresponsible...

 

There are new instructors teaching this practice to others who have had

about the same practice time with it as I've had. What kind of qualifications

do they have to teach it and counsel those with problems?

 

Am I being irresponsible by asking this?

[thelerner]

Trunk speaks with some authority here. He's been to a seminar and done kunlun practice (as have I). I don't think he's against it, he is saying be cautious. You're paying for a short seminar to a powerful system, w/ very little support afterwards. You're getting incredible bang for the buck, but BANG works both ways.

 

I like Kunlun and would recommend the seminar, but if things start going strange/bad, ease up or stop, there are a thousand other paths that may be better aligned to you.

 

 

When we over identify w/ a system or religion we tend to over defend it. It creates blind spots.

 

Michael

[TexasNative]

Sometimes fear is the appropriate and reasonable response.

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Edited August 25, 2009 by -O-

[gendao]

I stopped because I don't like who the Kunlun people I started out

with are becoming. I don't want that to happen to me.

What are they becoming?

[Trunk]

If you had read the linked thread, you'd see that we (many of us, even those of us that've had difficulty) openly acknowledged the helpful parts of KL, as well as the difficult parts. Lots of background info shared before, while this current round has had more of a focus on difficulties. There has been a lot of willingness in this community to see the whole picture... based on our own experiences and observations, and sorting through varied explanations.

 

cheers,

Trunk

Edited July 26, 2009 by Trunk

[Satori]

If you had read the linked thread, you'd see that we (many of us, even those of us that've had difficulty) openly acknowledged the helpful parts of KL, as well as the difficult parts. Lots of background info shared before, while this current round has had more of a focus on difficulties. There has been a lot of willingness in this community to see the whole picture... based on our own experiences and observations, and sorting through varied explanations.

 

cheers,

Trunk

The whole picture is as vast as the limitless Tao. Can you see my point that you and Yoda must take responsibility for your own fears/experiences, and not pawn them off on the method or someone else?

 

With the spontaneous work we reveal what we hold inside. Own it, release it.

 

You are speaking out against "this kind of ignorance" from a place of ignornace.

Riiiiiiiight. And you know everything about this subject too, huh?

 

That's some fancy rewording of my statement [not], but it doesn't necessarily apply.

 

Please let's have your opinion of reptilians and please show me how it differs from what you think I know.

[TexasNative]

Satori if you really believe in Kunlun and what it can potentially do for you, then I have to suggest that it may be in the groups best interest to find one qualified spokesperson to answer genuine questions people here have about it.

[Trunk]

Please let's have your opinion of reptilians and please show me how it differs from what you think I know.

In the linked thread, silly.

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Edited August 25, 2009 by -O-

[Satori]

My comment is based on your words - You've said you've never experienced it, but have heard Chris and Kan talk about it. You state 11th dimension existence, royalty etc. All of this comes from things you have heard, have been told - not from your experience. Thus you are speaking from a place of thinking - not knowing.

 

 

 

On most of your points I agree with you - I just don't believe you truly know it. And this is based on how you are being. Your dough has not risen my friend - you are not ready (IMHO). I believe you want to expereince these thing - that you want to be like Chris, Max - that you want the experience. But the wanting and the concepts prevent moving forward.

So it is a matter of credentials that need to be stated before you'll accept my postings? Interesting...

 

I never said I haven't experienced reptilians and other "et's". Quite to the contrary, mi amigo. I have lived with them for over many years. And as I said they are in my house (among other things) almost nightly and they even visit my daughter's room. She understands what it is all about because I have explained it to her.

 

I have met the Mo'o (dragon) people of Hawai'i. We've had them all around us at night and during the day in the years I spent with Max camping and hiking in the mountains there. They are both savage and gentle and very interested in those who generate frequencies closer to the divine (like advanced spiritual practitioners) because these are the people who can perceive them more easily.

 

I have met the Terrans (underground dwelling, earth-based reptilians) of Arizona who are very sweet but a bit jealous (witnessed the snapping of Max's shock cord on his tent) and who lack the advanced technology of the airborne reptilians above the desert known as the Sirians (Phoenix Lights perpetrators). They don't necessarily get along too well either.

 

Plus I have interacted with many non-reptilian benevolent beings consciously since I was 21.

 

Reptilians won't hurt you. They may inadvertently scare the shit out of you but that is not their intent. There are others who work with the powers-that-be (blue blood "right-to-rule" families), who may not be quite as cordial and who get a rush off of human fear. These have a different agenda here and have no interest in spiritual practitioners.

 

Despite all of this multi-dimensional interaction, I understand that it is being here and conscious in the moment and doing what brings you joy that is the most important thing you can do with your life.

 

I have known Max pretty well for over 6 years and I know his family, his teachers and almost all of his oldest students from Hawaii and Taos, NM. I am certified to teach his entire system and that qualification comes from years of work not from a weekend course.

 

My point in all of this is that folks need to take responsibility for their own experiences. Don't fear balls of light, shadows in the corner, beings of white light, seeing objects in the sky and other normal manifestations of the spiritual path.

 

I will also not pull my punches when it comes to dispelling what I know to be ignorant commentary. I am not PC and I am not afraid of anyone's response to what I write because I speak my truth and that is based on my own experience.

 

I AM just trying to help.

[Mantra68]

Satori is very qualified to comment on these matters. He actually knows more about it than I. He is my neighbor and has known Max about as long as me.

 

He does speak his mind freely, hopefully for the benefit of others.

[Trunk]

The way you've acted thus far in this forum, and suddenly you shift your tone to this? I don't buy it. Feigned maturity. It's going to take much more consistent display of character to earn respect.

 

So it is a matter of ...

For anyone who is not familiar with Satori's posts (which I wasn't until a few minutes ago), I suggest that you click on his user name and scan through them. Here's a link. Re: attitude, maturity, they're quite a ride.

 

A few samples... (Pardon me. I usually wouldn't even quote such stuff, but this is getting just too ridiculous.)

Sj has no experience with Kunlun or Max and is still just a woman scorned. He "lost" his "girlfriend" to Max and Kunlun. Boo hoo.

This is a pretty stupid thread.

 

All this crap because one person got their widdle heart bwoken.

 

Buck up old man. Don't be such a pussy.

 

You react like Hitler did when the Jews failed to appreciate his artistic ability.

 

People try talking sense to you which is a total waste of time cuz "hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned."

 

Is you a woman scorned?

 

Insert thumb into mouth, suckle and call mommy. It might help.

I would suggest you take up Buddhist philosophy to purify your intent.

 

Sincerely.

This thread sucks donkey balls.

 

Uh... and this is the guy who Chris vouches for???

Satori is very qualified to comment on these matters. He actually knows more about it than I. He is my neighbor and has known Max about as long as me.

Edited July 26, 2009 by Trunk

[Lucky7Strikes]

So it is a matter of credentials that need to be stated before you'll accept my postings? Interesting...

 

I never said I haven't experienced reptilians and other "et's". Quite to the contrary, mi amigo. I have lived with them for over many years. And as I said they are in my house (among other things) almost nightly and they even visit my daughter's room. She understands what it is all about because I have explained it to her.

 

I have met the Mo'o (dragon) people of Hawai'i. We've had them all around us at night and during the day in the years I spent with Max camping and hiking in the mountains there. They are both savage and gentle and very interested in those who generate frequencies closer to the divine (like advanced spiritual practitioners) because these are the people who can perceive them more easily.

 

I have met the Terrans (underground dwelling, earth-based reptilians) of Arizona who are very sweet but a bit jealous (witnessed the snapping of Max's shock cord on his tent) and who lack the advanced technology of the airborne reptilians above the desert known as the Sirians (Phoenix Lights perpetrators). They don't necessarily get along too well either.

 

Plus I have interacted with many non-reptilian benevolent beings consciously since I was 21.

 

Reptilians won't hurt you. They may inadvertently scare the shit out of you but that is not their intent. There are others who work with the powers-that-be (blue blood "right-to-rule" families), who may not be quite as cordial and who get a rush off of human fear. These have a different agenda here and have no interest in spiritual practitioners.

 

Despite all of this multi-dimensional interaction, I understand that it is being here and conscious in the moment and doing what brings you joy that is the most important thing you can do with your life.

 

I have known Max pretty well for over 6 years and I know his family, his teachers and almost all of his oldest students from Hawaii and Taos, NM. I am certified to teach his entire system and that qualification comes from years of work not from a weekend course.

 

My point in all of this is that folks need to take responsibility for their own experiences. Don't fear balls of light, shadows in the corner, beings of white light, seeing objects in the sky and other normal manifestations of the spiritual path.

 

I will also not pull my punches when it comes to dispelling what I know to be ignorant commentary. I am not PC and I am not afraid of anyone's response to what I write because I speak my truth and that is based on my own experience.

 

I AM just trying to help.

 

People advise here not only from the Kunlun perspective. I am certain that people who've taken on the practice can learn from your experiences, yet you should heed advice from others who have gone into their own depths and have had their own insights. Simply denying them as fear mongering is absolutely short sighted. Kunlun likely carries people according to where they are and how far they want to go, just as with ANY other practice. Narrowly judging from your own experiences and subjecting others into that situation is foolish indeed.

 

Furthermore, statements such as "I understand that it is being here and conscious in the moment and doing what brings you joy that is the most important thing you can do with your life" really do prove that seeing 11 dimensions, being emerged in bliss, seeing reptilians, and all this has absolutely nothing to do with spiritual progress.

 

IMHO, seeing reptiles is as interesting as going into the field of herpetology (), and dousing on bliss is as productive as taking a happy pill. You on the other hand, don't seem to think so since right off the bat you started listing these things....

 

But anyways, thank you for sharing. Information is always good.

Edited July 26, 2009 by Lucky7Strikes

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Edited August 25, 2009 by -O-

[TexasNative]

So it is a matter of credentials that need to be stated before you'll accept my postings? Interesting...

 

I asked about credentials.

 

There are new instructors teaching this practice to others who have had

about the same practice time with it as I've had. What kind of qualifications

do they have to teach it and counsel those with problems?