Where are the High Level Martial Artists/Fighters at?

[Paradoxal]

18 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

Is there any truth to boxing being the most effective matial art? 

If there were truly a "most effective martial art", it would most certainly not be boxing.

 

Boxing is a sport, not a martial art!

 

Even if we were to consider it a martial art, the use of gloves in practice makes it ineffective in actual combat because it lacks the conditioning required for bareknuckle use. Its footwork is specialized under the assumption of no kicks and no grappling, and is thus very ungrounded. Likewise, it not only lacks kicks and grappling, which are essential parts of any fighting system, it also lacks trained defenses against them, and against weapons. 

 

It can be useful as a training tool for understanding close range fighting, and it can be very fun, but it is not self-defense oriented on its own.

 

6 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

Wing Chun is stationery that is defensive with the arms in a limited space.

I dunno what you've been taught, but the WC I've learned includes kicks, grappling, and groundwork. It is certainly not just defensive or stationary, and includes everything Chen style taiji has.

 

Historically, WC was made for the express purpose of raising soldiers with the same skills as Chen style in 1/3 the time, for the goal of killing Chen style practitioners on the battlefield. 

 

Yes, there are dumbasses claiming to be "masters" while never pressure testing themselves or doing basic conditioning, but they are simply delusional at best and scam artists at worst, and certainly do not have even a rudimentary understanding of martial arts. 

[Thrice Daily]

12 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

I don't see how that could work. They are totally different in practice. Wing Chun is stationery that is defensive with the arms in a limited space. Taiji is moving around.

It’s because you haven’t trained it in I think. It’s very evident I think. 
 

Wing Chun is also moving around. The bending of the knees in is a characteristic that you could pay attention to. Especially as you like physics , demonstrated in your posts. 
 

the triangle V like stance. Allows connection to the earth that is superior to any other stance in terms of absorbing force through joints and into the ground, also bringing it back up , quickest and most accurately (efficient) I could be wrong but I think this is scientifically correct. So In that regard we could say it is stationary, (as a moment is more like a photograph and not a video i) think this is how your mind is working it as your body has no experience of it ,,, yet…

 

no there is lots of moving legs in Wing Chun

 

So the movement you practice in Taiji, if you were able to switch mid practice to wing Chun principles , the limbs would retract and bend more.

 

your form would have a smaller frame and contract (possibly a move or two would not translate) but I bet you most would… if it truly pertains to usefulness as a martial art and not only health practices 

Edited 10 hours ago by Thrice Daily

[Master Logray]

6 hours ago, Paradoxal said:

Historically, WC was made for the express purpose of raising soldiers with the same skills as Chen style in 1/3 the time, for the goal of killing Chen style practitioners on the battlefield. 

 

Yes, there are dumbasses claiming to be "masters" while never pressure testing themselves or doing basic conditioning, but they are simply delusional at best and scam artists at worst, and certainly do not have even a rudimentary understanding of martial arts. 

 

I don't believe that.  Both Chen Style and WC (esp WC) are not battlefield combat skills, but personal protection skills.   Those northern martial arts are.  But the 1/3 training speed is true.   The major weakness of Taichi is the much longer training time.   Although it is considered the most sophisticated martial arts, but it takes ages to train and be proficient.   WC could be quite useful after 6 months.  Taichi needs few years.   While WC can be trained solo for most of the time, Taichi needs quite a few comparable opponents in simple skill like push hand, not to mention more realistic training.    Taichi is very inefficient in learning. 

 

[Nungali]

22 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

I think technically wing chunners could learn a lot from Taiji players. 

And Taiji players could learn a lot about efficiency from a more compact point of view. 

 

Against mma though, like in the video, if the mma opponent is bigger , heavier and stronger with better cardio, he doesnt need much skill to beat anyone much smaller than him whatever the supposed level is... The trad martial artist should probably just crush his foot with a good stamp. As eye gauging, throat and soft parts are off limits I guess the foot would be the next logocal port of attack.

 

The amount of times   ( in karate  practice ) I have simply  stepped forward , onto the others foot , and caused . well, chaos .

 

This is due to the weird way modern karate works , one steps forward to attack, the other steps back and blocks , if you step on their lead foot ( well, not all of them but a lot of them )   and they cant step back, it seems to disrupt their technique and 'skill'  ...  now you are 'in their face ' and a lot of them are not used to that .

 

regarding the 'foot stomp ', I saw a very slight Vietnamese  guy  down a huge abusing racist bully with that .   Big drunk guy grabbed him, started yelling racist abuse , the  Viet guy ( seemed to, from what I could see )  put the  front corner of his shoe heel into the guys shin, ran it down the inside to the top of his foot and gave it a little twist . Bully went down instantly in a heap , Viet guy stepped over him and kept walking away .  ... wow !

[Nungali]

20 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

I don't see how that could work. They are totally different in practice. Wing Chun is stationery that is defensive with the arms in a limited space. Taiji is moving around.

 

The wing chung practitioner I had a go with moved around pretty good !  She slugged me one on the point of the chin as well !