Sherman Krebbs Posted Thursday at 05:06 PM 54 minutes ago, forestofclarity said: Meditation is Tibetan is gom, often translated as "to become familiar with." I like this emphasis it isn't really effortful. Once you become familiar with some one, we can recognize them instantly, even if they are dressed differently, with a different haircut, or even in disguise. Same here, IME. Thanks! Emotion seems to be hardest to "recognize" and release in this context. Sometimes am not sure how to regard emotion within the pheonmenonal realm, or really what emotion is. Happiness, sadness, anger, fear, anxiety, anger. Suppose there are all just the same thing. or maybe there is just pain and no pain. Something sterling said the other day really stuck with me though, that its the story we make of these things not the things themselves, as they are self liberating. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forestofclarity Posted Thursday at 05:26 PM 1 hour ago, old3bob said: mind, including pure mind (which is great) is still a thing and is not "beyond the beyond" per borrowing a Buddhist quote. Not at all, but feel free to form whatever ideas if that helps you on your own path. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted Thursday at 07:08 PM oh, what happened to the funny guy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thrice Daily Posted Thursday at 10:35 PM This is a nice song that is very meditative and is sang three times at each daily session in the Mahayana Kadampa centres … it’s always stayed with me and it’s lovely in the precise way they sing it there. It’s very memorable and meditative in the spirit of a sympathetic joy…. Here are the words; Tsongkhapa Crown ornament of thе scholars of the Land of the Snows You are Buddha Shakyamuni and Vajradhara The source of all attainments Avalokiteshvara The treasury of unobservable compassion Manjushri The supreme stainless wisdom And Vajrapani The destroyer of the hosts of maras O Venerable Guru-Buddha Synthesis of all Three Jewels With my body, speech and mind Respectfully I make requests Please grant your blessings To ripen and liberate myself and others And bestow the common and supreme attainments… 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forestofclarity Posted Saturday at 12:03 AM Quote Compared to begging one hundred times, save me, protect me! It is much more effective to say once, "Devour me!" --- Machig Labdron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forestofclarity Posted yesterday at 08:43 PM Let's mix it up. I was surprised to come across this. Maybe not fully on point, but sympathetically so: Quote Kia cannot be experienced directly because it is the basis of consciousness (or experience), and it has no fixed qualities which the mind can latch on to. Kia is the consciousness, it is the elusive “I” which confers self-awareness but does not seem to consist of anything itself. Kia can sometimes be felt as ecstacy or inspiration, but it is deeply buried in the dualistic mind. It is mostly trapped in the aimless wanderings of thought and in identification with experience and in that cluster of opinions about ourselves called ego. Magic is concerned with giving the Kia more freedom and flexibility and with providing means by which it can manifest its occult power. Kia is capable of occult power because it is a fragment of the great life force of the universe. --- Peter Carroll, Liber Null Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thrice Daily Posted yesterday at 08:48 PM 3 minutes ago, forestofclarity said: Let's mix it up. I was surprised to come across this. Maybe not fully on point, but sympathetically so: --- Peter Carroll, Liber Null well ahead of his time wasn't he. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted yesterday at 09:48 PM 1 hour ago, forestofclarity said: Let's mix it up. I was surprised to come across this. Maybe not fully on point, but sympathetically so: --- Peter Carroll, Liber Null I read that a few months ago. Some of it is, while more complicated, quite similar to the Buddhist models. I think of his description of Kia as (an inexpensive car... kidding!) a nice metaphor to explain how our intention can manifest in the world when we are more and more "empty" of "self". My experience is that this is certainly the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forestofclarity Posted 7 hours ago 17 hours ago, Thrice Daily said: well ahead of his time wasn't he. Or behind, by several millenia, depending on how one looks. 16 hours ago, stirling said: I read that a few months ago. Some of it is, while more complicated, quite similar to the Buddhist models. I think of his description of Kia as (an inexpensive car... kidding!) a nice metaphor to explain how our intention can manifest in the world when we are more and more "empty" of "self". My experience is that this is certainly the case. I could never get straight chaos magic to work. One could say that the model wasn't conducive to convincing my deeper layers of mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites