How liberty dies

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

I made a post on politics in the byzantine empire on a history forum I am active on. Nobody seemed to care tho. The reason I found it so intriguing, is the obvious parallels to today. Nothing have changed, seemingly. It is based on the following article: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/blue-versus-green-rocking-the-byzantine-empire-113325928/. Either you can read that first hand, or you can take a look at my shortened version of it in the spoiler below.

 

Spoiler

(…)

"Bread and circuses," the poet Juvenal wrote scathingly. "That's all the common people want." Food and entertainment.

(…)

By the sixth century A.D., after the western half of the empire fell, only two of these survived—the Greens had incorporated the Reds, and the Whites had been absorbed into the Blues. But the two remaining teams were wildly popular in the Eastern, or Byzantine, Empire, which had its capital at Constantinople, and their supporters were as passionate as ever—so much so that they were frequently responsible for bloody riots.

Exactly what the Blues and the Greens stood for remains a matter of dispute among historians. For a long time it was thought that the two groups gradually evolved into what were essentially early political parties, the Blues representing the ruling classes and standing for religious orthodoxy, and the Greens being the party of the people.

(…)

These two threads—the fast-growing importance of the circus factions and the ever-increasing burden of taxation—combined in 532. By this time, John of Cappadocia had introduced no fewer than 26 new taxes, many of which fell, for the first time, on Byzantium's wealthiest citizens. Their discontent sent shock waves through the imperial city, which were only magnified when Justinian reacted harshly to an outbreak of fighting between the Greens and the Blues at the races of January 10. Sensing the disorder had the potential to spread, and eschewing his allegiance to the Blues, the emperor sent in his troops. Seven of the ringleaders in the rioting were condemned to death.


The men were taken out of the city a few days later to be hanged at Sycae, on the east side of the Bosphorus, but the executions were botched. Two of the seven survived when the scaffold broke; the mob that had assembled to watch the hangings cut them down and hustled them off to the security of a nearby church. The two men were, as it happened, a Blue and a Green, and thus the two factions found themselves, for once, united in a common cause. The next time the chariots raced in the Hippodrome, Blues and Greens alike called on Justinian to spare the lives of the condemned, who had been so plainly and so miraculously spared by God.

(…)

It was at this point that Theodora proved her mettle. Justinian, panicked, was all for fleeing the capital to seek the support of loyal army units. His empress refused to countenance so cowardly an act. "If you, my lord," she told him,
 

wish to save your skin, you will have no difficulty in doing so. We are rich, there is the sea, there too are our ships. But consider first whether, when you reach safety, you will regret that you did not choose death in preference. As for me, I stand by the ancient saying: the purple is the noblest winding-sheet.

(…)

Shamed, Justinian determined to stay and fight. Both Belisarius and Narses were with him in the palace, and the two generals planned a counterstrike. The Blues and the Greens, still assembled in the Hippodrome, were to be locked into the arena. After that, loyal troops, most of them Thracians and Goths with no allegiance to either of the circus factions, could be sent in to cut them down.


Imagine a force of heavily armed troops advancing on the crowds in the MetLife Stadium or Wembley and you'll have some idea of how things developed in the Hippodrome, a stadium with a capacity of about 150,000 that held tens of thousands of partisans of the Greens and Blues. While Belisarius' Goths hacked away with swords and spears, Narses and the men of the Imperial Bodyguard blocked the exits and prevented any of the panicking rioters from escaping. "Within a few minutes," John Julius Norwich writes in his history of Byzantium, "the angry shouts of the great amphitheater had given place to the cries and groans of wounded and dying men; soon these too grew quiet, until silence spread over the entire arena, its sand now sodden with the blood of the victims."

(…)

With the massacre complete, Justinian and Theodora had little trouble re-establishing control over their smoldering capital. The unfortunate Hypatius was executed; the rebels' property was confiscated, and John of Cappadocia was swiftly reinstalled to levy yet more burdensome taxes on the depopulated city.


The Nika Riots marked the end of an era in which circus factions held some sway over the greatest empire west of China, and signaled the end of chariot racing as a mass spectator sport within Byzantium. Within a few years the great races and Green-Blue rivalries were memories.

Cant help but see parallels to every society to know to man (in the west at least, a little ignorant on the rest of the world). Bread and circus is self evident. Two opposing parties (the right and the left) arguing passionatley and hatefully, thinking they are right and the other part evil. The two party system giving the illusion of a democracy. But when push comes to show, the man dressed in the finest, royal purple calls all the shots. 

 

 

Also, I have read a little of Platos Republic. The segment on the noble lie gave me the creeps. I know he is an important character in many esoteric circles. Is it social engineering? Could anyone help shed some light on this?

 

[Kojiro]

1 hour ago, NaturaNaturans said:

I made a post on politics in the byzantine empire on a history forum I am active on. Nobody seemed to care tho. The reason I found it so intriguing, is the obvious parallels to today. Nothing have changed, seemingly. It is based on the following article: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/blue-versus-green-rocking-the-byzantine-empire-113325928/. Either you can read that first hand, or you can take a look at my shortened version of it in the spoiler below.

 

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(…)

"Bread and circuses," the poet Juvenal wrote scathingly. "That's all the common people want." Food and entertainment.

(…)

By the sixth century A.D., after the western half of the empire fell, only two of these survived—the Greens had incorporated the Reds, and the Whites had been absorbed into the Blues. But the two remaining teams were wildly popular in the Eastern, or Byzantine, Empire, which had its capital at Constantinople, and their supporters were as passionate as ever—so much so that they were frequently responsible for bloody riots.

Exactly what the Blues and the Greens stood for remains a matter of dispute among historians. For a long time it was thought that the two groups gradually evolved into what were essentially early political parties, the Blues representing the ruling classes and standing for religious orthodoxy, and the Greens being the party of the people.

(…)

These two threads—the fast-growing importance of the circus factions and the ever-increasing burden of taxation—combined in 532. By this time, John of Cappadocia had introduced no fewer than 26 new taxes, many of which fell, for the first time, on Byzantium's wealthiest citizens. Their discontent sent shock waves through the imperial city, which were only magnified when Justinian reacted harshly to an outbreak of fighting between the Greens and the Blues at the races of January 10. Sensing the disorder had the potential to spread, and eschewing his allegiance to the Blues, the emperor sent in his troops. Seven of the ringleaders in the rioting were condemned to death.


The men were taken out of the city a few days later to be hanged at Sycae, on the east side of the Bosphorus, but the executions were botched. Two of the seven survived when the scaffold broke; the mob that had assembled to watch the hangings cut them down and hustled them off to the security of a nearby church. The two men were, as it happened, a Blue and a Green, and thus the two factions found themselves, for once, united in a common cause. The next time the chariots raced in the Hippodrome, Blues and Greens alike called on Justinian to spare the lives of the condemned, who had been so plainly and so miraculously spared by God.

(…)

It was at this point that Theodora proved her mettle. Justinian, panicked, was all for fleeing the capital to seek the support of loyal army units. His empress refused to countenance so cowardly an act. "If you, my lord," she told him,
 

wish to save your skin, you will have no difficulty in doing so. We are rich, there is the sea, there too are our ships. But consider first whether, when you reach safety, you will regret that you did not choose death in preference. As for me, I stand by the ancient saying: the purple is the noblest winding-sheet.

(…)

Shamed, Justinian determined to stay and fight. Both Belisarius and Narses were with him in the palace, and the two generals planned a counterstrike. The Blues and the Greens, still assembled in the Hippodrome, were to be locked into the arena. After that, loyal troops, most of them Thracians and Goths with no allegiance to either of the circus factions, could be sent in to cut them down.


Imagine a force of heavily armed troops advancing on the crowds in the MetLife Stadium or Wembley and you'll have some idea of how things developed in the Hippodrome, a stadium with a capacity of about 150,000 that held tens of thousands of partisans of the Greens and Blues. While Belisarius' Goths hacked away with swords and spears, Narses and the men of the Imperial Bodyguard blocked the exits and prevented any of the panicking rioters from escaping. "Within a few minutes," John Julius Norwich writes in his history of Byzantium, "the angry shouts of the great amphitheater had given place to the cries and groans of wounded and dying men; soon these too grew quiet, until silence spread over the entire arena, its sand now sodden with the blood of the victims."

(…)

With the massacre complete, Justinian and Theodora had little trouble re-establishing control over their smoldering capital. The unfortunate Hypatius was executed; the rebels' property was confiscated, and John of Cappadocia was swiftly reinstalled to levy yet more burdensome taxes on the depopulated city.


The Nika Riots marked the end of an era in which circus factions held some sway over the greatest empire west of China, and signaled the end of chariot racing as a mass spectator sport within Byzantium. Within a few years the great races and Green-Blue rivalries were memories.

Cant help but see parallels to every society to know to man (in the west at least, a little ignorant on the rest of the world). Bread and circus is self evident. Two opposing parties (the right and the left) arguing passionatley and hatefully, thinking they are right and the other part evil. The two party system giving the illusion of a democracy. But when push comes to show, the man dressed in the finest, royal purple calls all the shots. 

 

 

Also, I have read a little of Platos Republic. The segment on the noble lie gave me the creeps. I know he is an important character in many esoteric circles. Is it social engineering? Could anyone help shed some light on this?

 

can you share the link of the history forum? I am curious now

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

6 minutes ago, Kojiro said:

can you share the link of the history forum? I am curious now

Surley my friend, historium.com!

[Nungali]

Its a big club and you ARE in it !    At the base level of the pyramid .

 

If you ain't in it ... you are against it  ; 

 

Light .... Life ..... Love ...... Liberty !

 

Use it or loose it !

 

" LET IT BE KNOWN that there exists, unknown to the great crowd, a very ancient Order of sages, whose object is the amelioration and spiritual evolution of mankind by means of conquering error and aiding men and women in their efforts of attaining the power of recognising the truth. This Order has existed already in the most remote times and it has manifested its activity secretly and openly in the world under different names and in various forms: it has caused social and political revolutions and proved to be the rock of salvation in times of danger and misfortune. It has always upheld the banner of freedom against tyranny in whatever shape this appeared, whether as clerical or political or social despotism or oppression of any kind.

 

"To this “secret order” every wise and spiritually enlightened person belongs by right of his or her nature: because they all, even if they are personally unknown to each other, are one in their purpose and object and they all work under the guidance of the one light of truth. Into this Sacred Society no one can be admitted by another unless he has the power to enter it himself by virtue of his own interior illumination, neither can anyone after he has once entered be expelled unless he should expel himself by becoming unfaithful to his principles and forget again the truths which he has learned by his own experience. "

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

18 hours ago, Nungali said:

Its a big club and you ARE in it !    At the base level of the pyramid .

 

If you ain't in it ... you are against it  ; 

 

Light .... Life ..... Love ...... Liberty !

 

Use it or loose it !

 

" LET IT BE KNOWN that there exists, unknown to the great crowd, a very ancient Order of sages, whose object is the amelioration and spiritual evolution of mankind by means of conquering error and aiding men and women in their efforts of attaining the power of recognising the truth. This Order has existed already in the most remote times and it has manifested its activity secretly and openly in the world under different names and in various forms: it has caused social and political revolutions and proved to be the rock of salvation in times of danger and misfortune. It has always upheld the banner of freedom against tyranny in whatever shape this appeared, whether as clerical or political or social despotism or oppression of any kind.

 

"To this “secret order” every wise and spiritually enlightened person belongs by right of his or her nature: because they all, even if they are personally unknown to each other, are one in their purpose and object and they all work under the guidance of the one light of truth. Into this Sacred Society no one can be admitted by another unless he has the power to enter it himself by virtue of his own interior illumination, neither can anyone after he has once entered be expelled unless he should expel himself by becoming unfaithful to his principles and forget again the truths which he has learned by his own experience. "

Could you tell me a little about the pyramid, my friend? Not a lot, just a tiny bit. Is it purley a state of mind, or is it tangible as well?

Edited October 13 by NaturaNaturans

[Sanity Check]

How liberty dies?

 

2 words: generation gap.

 

Suffering teaches valuable lessons used to build free nations.

 

Generations fail to pass these valuable lessons onto their children.

 

The american founding fathers ideology was shaped by living under an oppressive regime.

 

Perhaps history in that sense might repeat itself should modern day governments choose to become more oppressive.