The Downvote Feature!

[Thrice Daily]

As a good friend once told me. ‘One man’s food is another mans poison’

[Cobie]

Yes, what CD says in his post, my Chinese teacher of Mandarin told me too.

 

19 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

In Chinese logic, anything is related or pertained within the subject are inclusive. 

 

Yes, a characters is not a word; it’s a ‘semantic field’.

 

19 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

In Chinese thinking, every thing is scrambled, filtered and sorted out in the mind. If two minds are in resonance, then, the communication is completed. 

 

Yes, the fundamental principle underlying this is the concept of ‘harmony’. With this system there is flexibility.

 

19 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

The discrepancy with the western thinking is that everything has to be spelled out word for word, and with a finger point at something in order to be understood by others. 

 

Exactly.

 

For most speakers of a Germanic language (that includes English) all this is very hard to understand, as there’s no such concept in their language.

 

Edited October 16 by Cobie

[Cobie]

 

 

17 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

Here is how the logic goes. Qi is air and oxygen is in the air. When we breathe in the air, the oxygen within the air goes into the body too. By logic, it doesn't matter if it is air or oxygen, the reaction will take place inside the body. You have the same result anyway.

 

Yes, especially in Classical Chinese, the meaning field was very wide, as they didn’t have many characters.

 

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BTW That is the reason why I am having a communication failure here.

 

Yes, I think it is. It took me a couple of years of fighting  convos on OD with you, to finally start getting a little understanding.

 

 

Edited October 16 by Cobie

[ChiDragon]

4 hours ago, dwai said:

Looks like you have been using it (I see some pretty Taiji downvotes against my posts 🤣) 

I knew this was coming. I should have said from now on.🤣

Edited October 16 by ChiDragon

[dwai]

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

Yes, a characters is not a word; it’s a ‘meaning field’.

 

I think it is a fascinating language. I think the English term for Chinese characters is ideogram (an idea symbol?). So maybe it is not so much a meaning field but a symbol representing an idea, perhaps?

 

Indian languages are like that, too, to a certain extent - the same word can mean completely different things based on context. That's why there are so many untranslatable words - e.g., dharma - does it mean duty, religion, or characteristic based on natural law (among others)? All of them, but depending on the context.

 

I had a philosopher friend (sadly, he passed away in 2022) who did some exciting work in what he called "biocultures."

His hypothesis was that different cognitive frameworks arose from within different cultural contexts. Some were visual/pictographic, some were sonic (based on sound) while others (modern/western) were word-based.

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I remember a student of mine who approached me after class to question what she called the interpretation of the people of the Rig Veda ( 2500 B.C.). According to her, I had to be wrong for she could not conceive how people could see images with the brain, much less make them. I tried to explain to her that images are something everyone has or makes. For instance, I asked her, what is your image of your own mother when you are not with her and I ask you, as now, about her? Her answer was:

"The only image of my mother I carry with me is m-o-t-h-e-r." Spelling was as far as her brain could imagine. I found this example subsequently repeated by other young people.

https://www.medhajournal.com/the-biocultural-paradigm-the-neural-connection-between-science-and-mysticism/

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Following these comments we may conclude that human biological systems are not one brain, or one mind. Instead we have five primary brains, and five independent and interacting minds. Where "culture" interacts with "biology" neural passages open and brains are affected. Where " culture" does not activate "biology" no neural passages and no brains develop. Thus we may have more or less complete humans, more or less complete biological systems. The human biological system does not only have five possible brains, five possible biocultures, but each brain in turn gives rise to a "shadow": a delay mechanism in perception that accounts for reflection on perception. This delay mechanism can account for what we loosely call the self. This shadow sitting on perception accounts for our many conflicting wills. Perception, reading, interpreting are always linked to the "self" as a biocultural bias involving perceiving, reading and interpreting. Furthermore, while the right hemisphere – the reptilian, limbic, right side of the neocortex, or as named earlier, maia, mythos, right brain mimesis – has direct access to the world, to the origin of perception, and produces a "holistic", "integrated" image of the world, the left hemisphere – left brain mimesis and logos – is largely isolated from the right side of the brain, though drawing from it all its information, that it returns to the system in the form of "concepts" or "abstract ideas". The left hemisphere works in isolation- not necessarily subject to the general rules and interests of the integrated brain, and it can even turn the tables on the rest of the brains and reverse or even cancel the natural order of the other brains.

 

[Cobie]

1 hour ago, dwai said:

I think it is a fascinating language. I think the English term for Chinese characters is ideogram (an idea symbol?). So maybe it is not so much a meaning field but a symbol representing an idea, perhaps?

Re. “meaning field”, sorry, I mistranslated the Dutch word (betekenisveld); it’s actually ‘’semantic field’.
 

Yes a Chinese character is an ideogram, a symbol representing an idea.

 

Interesting that Indian languages are also quite like that.

 

 

Edited October 16 by Cobie

[Nungali]

18 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

Anyway, I have no intention to use it anyhow!

 

Oh ... so what was that flurry of  downvotes  you made on my posts about, just after I made a point you could not address  ? 

 

It has become apparent that you are not capable of following or forming an intelligent and reasonable conversation and or debate .

 

Its been enlightening though , now I know why so many people have had issue with you and you got banned so many times .

 

or did you mean you have no intention to use the NEW one  (as its balanced and not 'angry red' anymore )  ?

[Nungali]

14 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Lmao I can’t believe you actually change it

 

Well... gotta keep chi dragon happy !

[Nungali]

14 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

@dwai this white background is massively triggering my OCD, could you please replace the downvote with this transparent one?

 

 

 

The arrow should be yellow !

 

I feel very upset that it isnt yellow and I thuink I should be respected and heard ... OTHERWISE  I ( or anyone else ) could be offended ..

 

so change it NOW !  ....  to avoid prosecution .

 

 

 

 

I know this is hard to believe but a bill is before state parliament in Queensland that says if you write or say something that offends someone , and even if they are not offended , but another is  ...

 

eg ;   "You got stupid blue hair !   "  Blue hair guy might laugh ... he might even have done it to look stupid , but another blue haired person might be offended

 

its up to a  5 year jail term .  yeah , 'wokeism' gone crazy  .... I think this started from legislation about on-line bullying .

 

 

[Nungali]

10 hours ago, dwai said:

Looks like you have been using it (I see some pretty Taiji downvotes against my posts 🤣) 

 

Oooo  ... he 'owned it '  . 

 

 

'from now on '  

 

(actually, 'got busted' and 'changed his mind on that '  

 

Edited October 17 by Nungali

[Nungali]

9 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

So the new downvote symbol is supposed to represent yin and yang?  Maybe it´s sort of a consolation prize: your post isn´t strictly correct but at least ya got the yin and yang part right so here ya go.  Alternatively, we could use the reaction to signal that a post is unamerican.  Red, white, and blue with a downward arrow -- kinda brilliant.  

 

 

 

can I have some of those ... I deserved em ! 

Edited October 17 by Nungali

[ChiDragon]

5 minutes ago, Nungali said:

did you mean you have no intention to use the NEW one  (as its balanced and not 'angry red' anymore )  ?

 

4 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

I knew this was coming. I should have said from now on.🤣

Some members are using it for amusement. Some are using for offensive purposes. I can see that someone doesn't like one individual, no matter what the individual posts will have the downvote icon on it. Therefore, I will not use it at all in the future to show discontentment.

[Nungali]

8 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

Not just un-American, more like anti- nearly everybody:

 

  

 

 

 

 

I object ! My flag has been left out ! 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

6 hours ago, Cobie said:

Yes, what CD says in his post, my Chinese teacher of Mandarin told me too.

 

You still missing the point ; it was about the difference between  ingredient and result .

 

Surely Chinese logic, maths and alchemy ALL understand this difference .  And I am not sure why you support CD in this unless you suffer from the same type of 'blindness'  ?

 

 

Yes, a characters is not a word; it’s a ‘semantic field’.

 

I just wrote a long post elsewhere in 'Christianity' about how this DOES work in English , its just not something many know about it , apparently including your Chinese teacher .

 

Give me certain words and and I will give yo over 30 'field associations ' for each of them .  Its part of hermetics .

 

 

Yes, the fundamental principle underlying this is the concept of ‘harmony’. With this system there is flexibility.

 

 

Exactly.

 

For most speakers of a Germanic language (that includes English) all this is very hard to understand, as there’s no such concept in their language.

 

Its vert hard to understand why you two cant see what is right in front of your eyes ... and dont try to pass it off as ' you are a non understanding westerner ' BS .

 

 

Edited October 17 by Nungali

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

I knew this was coming. I should have said from now on.🤣

 

and you should also have said  

 

" Oxygen is an INGEDIENT of Qi  "

 

 

........   waiting   ....

 

 

 

 

 

[ChiDragon]

9 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

So the new downvote symbol is supposed to represent yin and yang?

No, the yin-yang icon is the balance symbol indicates a friendly gesture of discontentment.

[Nungali]

23 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

 

Some members are using it for amusement. Some are using for offensive purposes. I can see that someone doesn't like one individual, no matter what the individual posts will have the downvote icon on it. Therefore, I will not use it at all in the future to show discontentment.

 

Oh  really ?

 

Geee ... I wonder how  all this   this started   ?

 

 

 

Edited October 17 by Nungali

[ChiDragon]

4 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Oxygen is an INGEDIENT of Qi 

 I see you still cannot get over with that or you have this fact down pack in your mind already?

[ChiDragon]

2 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Of really ?

 

Geee ... I wonder how  all this   this started   ?

 

 

 

It started when this icon was introduced to the public. Please pay close attention to all my posts. You will see it happens!

Peace!

[Nungali]

12 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

 I see you still cannot get over with that or you have this fact down pack in your mind already?

 

Ha !  I didnt 'get over it'    because  you played out a circus of ridiculous excuses. !

 

Its quite phenomenal how you twist things - thinking it then comes to your advantage .

 

Again, I see why others here have choose to ignore you .  Maybe you consider that a 'win' on your part ?

 

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Edited October 17 by Nungali

[Nungali]

4 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

It started when this icon was introduced to the public. Please pay close attention to all my posts. You will see it happens!

Peace!

 

No, this never came up until Chi Dragon got all   upset about  people being able to simply downvote him instead of say why and enter into the ridiculous excusefest you offer about yourself  after you make a blunder ! 

 

And I am not surprised at all that you are trying to blame admin on all of this ... that has become, what I now realize as , typical chidragon behavior .

 

but as Cobie once said ;

" I dont claim to be enlightened or come here for enlightenment   .. I come here for translation stuff "

 

(and dont complain Coby .. after the butcher job you did on quoting me ! Which was  actually forgery and against site rules  ( ie editing and changing a quote box ) 

[Nungali]

Yes 'wow', indeed !

[ChiDragon]

Sorry, I cannot use the friendly/Taoist gesture of discontentment!

Edited October 17 by ChiDragon

[Nungali]

Just now, ChiDragon said:

Sorry, I cannot use the friendly gesture of discontentment!

 

Fucked yerself up now havent you ?

 

 

 

I am reading that as 

 

" Wow ! Nungali , you are awesome ! "

[ChiDragon]

2 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Fucked yerself up now havent you ?

 

 

 

I am reading that as 

 

" Wow ! Nungali , you are awesome ! "

Yes, my friend, you are awesome.