Britney Posted October 18 Hello Daobums!!!!! . Quick question. Anyone here completed or thinking to perform the abramelin ordeal as set forth in the book of abramelin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted October 18 THIS is your first post ? Well ... hello then ( you slipped past Cobie ) What a way to start , is this serious ... you DO know what is involved in all that ? The reason I ask and ask if this is serious is , in today;s world ( and going back a few decades ) , in my experience , any 'ritual magician' I know of could not be bothered to organize much more than 'candle magic' . Even making your own simple set of ritual tools seems beyond them ... people just dont do stuff like that any more ( correct me if I am wrong ) ... they just go to some 'new age shop' or order 'magic stuff' on line . Excuse me if you DO have experience ... but in my experience, just making and ritually consecrating a set of ritual tools for an evocation ceremony was a testing, long and grueling enterprise ... and that is without even considering the ritual that was to follow ! And that was 'simplistic' compared to the preparation , time, funds , having an assistant , etc that the Abramelin ritual requires . Then, at the end , what have you got ? and what will you use it for ? Not what the book suggests I hope ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted October 18 1 minute ago, Nungali said: … you slipped past Cobie … 1 minute ago, Nungali said: ... people just dont do stuff like that any more ( correct me if I am wrong ) ... Wrong, I think you do! 14 hours ago, Britney said: Hello Daobums!!!!! . Quick question. Anyone here completed or thinking to perform the abramelin ordeal as set forth in the book of abramelin Hello Britney!!!!! Welcome to the forum. I don’t do ‘ordeals’, not if I can help it anyway. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted October 18 3 minutes ago, Cobie said: Wrong, I think you do! Nah .... I used to , now I am retired . Hello Britney!!!!! Welcome to the forum. I don’t do ‘ordeals’, not if I can help it anyway. No, she just creates them 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted October 18 (edited) 14 hours ago, Britney said: … abramelin … (google) Righto, small world. MacGregor Mathers’ wife’s brother was the Nobel Prize winner Henri Bergson, whose wife was a cousin of Marcel Proust. Edited October 18 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zhongyongdaoist Posted October 18 15 hours ago, Britney said: Hello Daobums!!!!! . Quick question. Anyone here completed or thinking to perform the abramelin ordeal as set forth in the book of abramelin As a first response to the above I will post an early post on this topic: On 11/5/2013 at 4:43 PM, Zhongyongdaoist said: On 11/5/2013 at 4:00 PM, traveler said: can anyone define the HGA from sources before Crowley? Earlier in this thread I posted here: http://thetaobums.com/topic/26014-holy-guardian-angel/?p=388183 and here: http://thetaobums.com/topic/26014-holy-guardian-angel/?p=388370 references to material that predates Crowley and is contemporaneous with Abramelin and some that goes back to Antiquity. I have been rather busy of late and have not been able to return to this thread, though I have thought about enlarging upon the material above. I may be able to put some time in the matter shortly and would particularly like to address the confusion between the Higher Self and the Holy Guardian Angel. The two links above reference much longer discussions that appeared earlier in that thread. I hope that you find the material interesting and informative. If I have time I will write more based on more recent study and experience. ZYD 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted October 19 Well, since it looks like preliminary definitions are popular ( meaning ; descriptions of terms relating to the desired results of the Abramelin rather than the ritual itself ) and alternative rituals to achieve 'same' result ( as in the links above ) , I am going to throw in my 2 cents worth ) on those particular terms and sources . After decades of studying some of the related concepts ' a la Crowley' ( eg, 'Holy Guardian Angel ' and 'True Will' ) and also ( via anthropology / comparative religion ) Zoroastrianism , the latter seems an earlier source . Yes, as pointed out above there is a LOT of Neo platonic influence in what Crowley 're-termed ' but also, some ideas in the Zoroastrian system . However , there is no associated (directly ) ritual or practice . Unfortunately , over 70% of Zoroastrian material has been destroyed ( Alexander the Great and Muslim, invasions ) , it may have existed before , but now lost . If the search engine here works ( it doesnt for me and has not for a LONG time ) try ' khvarenah ' . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted October 19 (edited) MY GOODNESS it worked ! I tried search again to see what its up to; https://www.thedaobums.com/search/?q= khvarenah&sortby=newest&search_and_or=or ( not sure this ^ will work ? ) Edited October 19 by Nungali Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Posted October 20 On 10/17/2024 at 11:42 PM, Britney said: the abramelin ordeal I recommend a translation from the original German. It's a very different book compared to the Mathers translation. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Posted October 20 (edited) On 10/18/2024 at 1:56 PM, Nungali said: Even making your own simple set of ritual tools seems beyond them Making ritual tools is not included nor required in the communion with one's HGA ( their מזל ) as described in the Abramelin. Edited October 20 by Daniel 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted October 20 (edited) 21 hours ago, Daniel said: Making ritual tools is not included nor required in the communion with one's HGA ( their מזל ) as described in the Abramelin. I never said making ritual tools was required for the Abramelin operation . Maybe I should have , as they are certainly used ; " ...having placed the lighted Charcoal in the Censer, light the Lamp also. You shall then robe yourself, taking first the White Vestment, and over this you shall put on that 3 of Silk and Gold, then the Girdle, and upon your head you shall place the Crown, and you shall lay the Wand upon the Altar. Then, having put the Perfume in the Censer you shall fall upon your knees ... " ^ There are some classical 'magical weapons / tools ' . Any real ritual magician recognises these instantly and knows their significance and attribution . Its a given that they should be consecrated , 'pure' , 'magical' . The best way to ensure that is to at least 'oversee' the making process, if not do the process yourself . That's basic ritual magic '101' . Besides, what you lean in the making of these things is important magical groundwork and 'base' education ( meaning ; learning from nature { and natural processes and forces } to build a firm base on which to construct one's high aspirations ) . . Edited October 21 by Nungali Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Darius the Clairvoyent Posted October 20 @Daniel I smell some uncleared air here, may I reccomend leviticus 16 so that we once again can find peace within the community? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted October 21 7 hours ago, NaturaNaturans said: @Daniel I smell some uncleared air here, may I reccomend leviticus 16 so that we once again can find peace within the community? Leviticus 16 ... isnt that about some goat being sent off to the wilderness ... but then it came back , and that was indeed considered an evil omen . So after that they took the goat out to the wilderness ( to make sure it would not come back ) ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Darius the Clairvoyent Posted October 21 3 hours ago, Nungali said: Leviticus 16 ... isnt that about some goat being sent off to the wilderness ... but then it came back , and that was indeed considered an evil omen . So after that they took the goat out to the wilderness ( to make sure it would not come back ) ? If not they beat it to death to cleanse IT of THEIR sins, I can't recall. How was it, @Daniel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Posted October 21 4 hours ago, NaturaNaturans said: If not they beat it to death to cleanse IT of THEIR sins, I can't recall. How was it, @Daniel? The procedure is in Lev. 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Posted October 21 15 hours ago, NaturaNaturans said: @Daniel I smell some uncleared air here, may I reccomend leviticus 16 so that we once again can find peace within the community? Wise words: "He who smelt it, dealt it." It means, what you're smelling is coming from you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Posted October 21 15 hours ago, Nungali said: Its a given that they should be consecrated , 'pure' , 'magical' . This isn't true. It's a distraction. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Darius the Clairvoyent Posted October 21 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Daniel said: He who smelt it, dealt it." «Og den som sier disse ord, den er fisens ekte mor» Edited October 21 by NaturaNaturans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Posted October 21 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said: ... You're clairvoyent? Edited October 21 by Daniel 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Darius the Clairvoyent Posted October 21 28 minutes ago, Daniel said: You're clairvoyent? Yes, about as much as the... nvm. But the answer is no haha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Darius the Clairvoyent Posted October 21 About as much as these guys: https://youtu.be/UDxRad4yZjM?si=Bhfc1rnYWSNYsK7p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted October 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said: … no haha. great answer (sarcasm) Edited October 21 by Cobie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted October 21 12 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said: If not they beat it to death to cleanse IT of THEIR sins, I can't recall. How was it, @Daniel? Pushed it over a cliff backwards . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted October 21 7 hours ago, Daniel said: This isn't true. It's a distraction. You are not true , you are a distraction . See . Its easy peazy to write such mere opinionated statements . Like you did about magical tools in Abramelin ritual . However I was able to cite proof ., cause, rationale, logic . .... be careful Daniel Denial ... next time you get sent off to the wilderness , they might make it more permanent ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
