Kundalini vs Preheaven Chi

[Bindi]

13 minutes ago, GuiKang said:

Are you sure Rigveda 10.189.1 has that meaning ? 🤔

 

I thought it is talking about earth and sun rotation ?

Good question, I was exploring references to kundalini in Indian literature via AI and it came up with this one. Examining it further 

 

1. "ṛtasya dṛṣṭau prathamaṁ mahīyate"
   → "In the vision of cosmic order (ṛta), the Earth is exalted first."
   • Earth (Mahī) is given primacy, much like how kundalini (Earth energy) is the root force that must awaken before ascension to higher consciousness can occur.
   • This suggests that the spiritual process begins from the base (Earth/root) before rising to the higher (Brahman/cosmic order).
2. "yatra brahmā viśvam idam varīyasi"
   → "There, where the divine knowledge (Brahman) encompasses the whole universe."
   • Brahman represents the unified field of consciousness, the goal of kundalini’s journey—to merge the individual spirit with the ultimate reality.
   • The verse suggests that within ṛta (cosmic order), Earth energy plays a fundamental role in the unfolding of universal knowledge, which is essentially the kundalini process.

The verse emphasizes Earth as the starting point of the divine unfolding, just as kundalini is rooted in Earth energy (Muladhara) before ascending.

Union of Earth & Spirit: This verse acknowledges the cosmic interconnectedness of the physical (Earth) and the Absolute (Brahman), which is precisely what kundalini facilitates—raising energy from the base of existence to ultimate wisdom.

 

It might be an overly imaginative reading, but I can see where AI is coming from. The earth is exalted first, and it is from within the earth that divine knowledge encompasses the universe. 

[GuiKang]

On 27/01/2025 at 6:04 AM, Bindi said:

Good question, I was exploring references to kundalini in Indian literature via AI and it came up with this one. Examining it further 

 

1. "ṛtasya dṛṣṭau prathamaṁ mahīyate"
   → "In the vision of cosmic order (ṛta), the Earth is exalted first."
   • Earth (Mahī) is given primacy, much like how kundalini (Earth energy) is the root force that must awaken before ascension to higher consciousness can occur.
   • This suggests that the spiritual process begins from the base (Earth/root) before rising to the higher (Brahman/cosmic order).
2. "yatra brahmā viśvam idam varīyasi"
   → "There, where the divine knowledge (Brahman) encompasses the whole universe."
   • Brahman represents the unified field of consciousness, the goal of kundalini’s journey—to merge the individual spirit with the ultimate reality.
   • The verse suggests that within ṛta (cosmic order), Earth energy plays a fundamental role in the unfolding of universal knowledge, which is essentially the kundalini process.

The verse emphasizes Earth as the starting point of the divine unfolding, just as kundalini is rooted in Earth energy (Muladhara) before ascending.

Union of Earth & Spirit: This verse acknowledges the cosmic interconnectedness of the physical (Earth) and the Absolute (Brahman), which is precisely what kundalini facilitates—raising energy from the base of existence to ultimate wisdom.

 

It might be an overly imaginative reading, but I can see where AI is coming from. The earth is exalted first, and it is from within the earth that divine knowledge encompasses the universe. 

It sounds like your personal opinions in this case.

 

I have just put the words into meta AI:

 

That's a beautiful Sanskrit verse!

 

ṛtasya dṛṣṭau prathamaṁ mahīyate

 

Here's a breakdown of the verse:

ṛtasya = of truth/ reality
dṛṣṭau = in sight/ visible
prathamaṁ = first/ initially
mahīyate = is revered/ respected

Translation:

"Initially, the visible manifestation of truth is revered."

Or, in a more poetic sense:

"The first glimpse of truth is awe-inspiring."

This verse likely originates from ancient Indian philosophy, possibly from the Upanishads or other Vedic texts. It highlights the significance of perceiving truth and reality.

Would you like more information on the context or origin of this verse?

 

and the second one:

 

Another profound Sanskrit verse!

yatra brahmā viśvam idam varīyasi

Breakdown:

yatra = where/ in which
brahmā = Brahman/ the Ultimate Reality
viśvam = the universe/ all existence
idam = this
varīyasi = you value/ cherish

Translation:

"You cherish this universe where Brahman resides."

Or, in a more interpretive sense:

"You value the world where the Divine is present."

This verse likely originates from the Upanishads or other ancient Indian texts, emphasizing the interconnectedness of the universe and the ultimate reality.

Would you like more insights into the philosophical context or related concepts?

 

 

 

[Cobie]

 

On 27/01/2025 at 12:04 AM, Bindi said:

… AI: 
… ṛtasya dṛṣṭau prathamaṁ mahīyate … the spiritual process begins from the base (Earth/root) before rising to the higher …

 

47 minutes ago, GuiKang said:

… AI: 

… ṛtasya dṛṣṭau prathamaṁ mahīyate … The first glimpse of truth is awe-inspiring …

They’re very different translations.   
 

 

Edited yesterday at 11:02 PM by Cobie

[dwai]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

 

 

They’re very different translations.   
 

 

GuiKang's is the correct version  

Bindi needs to use a better AI bot  

[Bindi]

Agreed, my lesson is never trust AI on face value. 
 

I wonder though, what is “the visible manifestation of truth?”

 

I just asked for a translation as well, and got this:

 

 

The Sanskrit phrase "ṛtasya dṛṣṭau prathamaṁ mahīyate" can be translated as:

"In the vision of ṛta, the first (one) is exalted."

Breakdown of the Words:

• ṛtasya (ṛta + sya) → "of ṛta" (Ṛta refers to cosmic order, truth, or the fundamental law of the universe in Vedic thought).
• dṛṣṭau (dṛṣṭi + au, locative dual or singular) → "in the vision" or "in the sight."
• prathamaṁ → "first" or "primary."
• mahīyate → "is exalted," "is honored," or "is magnified."

Interpretation:

The phrase suggests that in the perception or realization of ṛta (the cosmic order/truth), the first or primary one (perhaps a seer, a principle, or an entity) is honored or exalted.

 

 

The Sanskrit phrase "yatra brahmā viśvam idam varīyasi" can be translated as:

"Where Brahman is the greatest in this entire universe."

Breakdown of the Words:

• yatra → "where"
• brahmā → "Brahman" (the supreme, the absolute reality)
• viśvam → "the universe," "all," or "the cosmos"
• idam → "this"
• varīyasi → "is the greatest," "is most excellent," or "is supreme" (comparative/superlative form of variṣṭha, meaning "great, superior").

Interpretation:

This phrase conveys a sense of a place or state where Brahman is realized as the supreme reality pervading the entire universe. It suggests an ultimate truth or realization where Brahman is recognized as the highest.

 

And my question of my translation is what is the first or primary one?

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Bindi

[Bindi]

I’m pretty sure this is valid AI kulandini information:  

 

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Hatha Yoga Pradipika and Kundalini's Role in Spiritual Awakening

The Hatha Yoga Pradipika, written by Swami Swatmarama in the 15th century, is one of the most influential texts on Hatha Yoga, a discipline that lays the foundation for many modern yoga practices. In this text, Kundalini is not only acknowledged but is seen as a key aspect of spiritual awakening.

• Kundalini as Coiled Energy: The text describes Kundalini as a dormant, coiled serpent residing at the base of the spine (Muladhara chakra). It is said that this energy is the key to awakening higher states of consciousness.
• Activation through Pranayama and Asanas: Kundalini is awakened through various Hatha Yoga techniques, particularly through breath control (pranayama) and physical postures (asanas). These practices help to purify the body and mind, making them conducive for the awakening of Kundalini.
• The Role of the Nadis and Chakras: The Hatha Yoga Pradipika emphasizes the importance of the energy channels (nadis) and centers of energy (chakras) in the body. Kundalini is believed to rise through the central channel (Sushumna nadi) as it moves upwards from the Muladhara chakra to the Sahasrara chakra (the crown chakra), where it leads to spiritual enlightenment.
• Kundalini's Potential for Liberation: The awakening of Kundalini is considered the gateway to liberation (moksha). It is through the ascension of this energy that a practitioner transcends the limitations of the body and mind, achieving union with the divine (Shiva) and realizing the true nature of consciousness.
• Kundalini and the Mind: Once Kundalini is awakened, it purifies the practitioner’s mental and emotional states. This purification allows the mind to become still and focused, making meditation and higher yogic practices more accessible.
• Caution and Discipline: The Hatha Yoga Pradipika also cautions that Kundalini awakening should be approached with discipline and under proper guidance. Without the right preparation, improper awakening of Kundalini can lead to mental disturbances or physical imbalance. The text stresses the importance of gradual and careful progress in Hatha Yoga practices to ensure that the energy rises safely.

Skanda Purana and Kundalini in Spiritual Evolution

The Skanda Purana is one of the largest and most comprehensive Puranas, and it has sections devoted to mythology, cosmology, and spiritual practices. It also discusses the concept of Kundalini, especially in relation to spiritual evolution.

• Kundalini as Shakti: In the Skanda Purana, Kundalini is often associated with Shakti, the divine feminine energy. Shakti is portrayed as the power that animates the universe, and Kundalini is the potential power within every individual. This connection suggests that spiritual evolution is not just a matter of intellectual understanding, but of awakening and channeling this primal energy (Shakti) to transcend the physical realm.
• The Role of Kundalini in Transformation: The Skanda Purana speaks of Kundalini's ability to transform an individual, not just physically, but spiritually. The process of Kundalini rising is seen as a path to personal divinity, where the individual soul merges with the universal soul (Paramatma). As Kundalini rises, it leads to a higher state of awareness, purity, and devotion.
• Kundalini and the Three Gunas: The text discusses the influence of the three gunas (qualities or energies) — sattva (purity), rajas (activity), and tamas (inertia) — on the individual’s spiritual progress. Kundalini is linked to the transcendence of these gunas. When awakened, Kundalini is said to dissolve the influence of tamas and rajas, leading to a state of sattva, where the soul becomes aligned with divine consciousness.
• The Path to Liberation: Similar to the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, the Skanda Purana emphasizes the role of Kundalini in achieving liberation (moksha). The gradual rise of Kundalini through the chakras is seen as a journey towards spiritual enlightenment. Once the energy reaches the Sahasrara chakra, it is believed that the individual experiences ultimate freedom, unity with God, and the realization of one's true nature.
• Connection with Lord Skanda (Kartikeya): The Skanda Purana also links the awakening of Kundalini with the divine energy of Lord Skanda (also called Kartikeya). Lord Skanda is regarded as a warrior deity representing spiritual knowledge and the removal of ignorance. The awakening of Kundalini is thus symbolic of the internal battle against ignorance and illusion, with the aim of achieving victory in the form of spiritual realization.

Common Themes in Both Texts

1. Kundalini as the Divine Energy: Both texts present Kundalini as a sacred, transformative force. In the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, it is a dormant energy within the individual; in the Skanda Purana, it is an expression of the divine feminine, Shakti.
2. Kundalini as the Path to Spiritual Awakening: Both texts emphasize that the awakening of Kundalini leads to spiritual evolution. It transforms the individual from a state of ignorance to one of self-realization and liberation.
3. Importance of Preparation and Discipline: Both texts caution that the awakening of Kundalini requires careful preparation and practice. In the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, this involves physical postures, breath control, and meditation. In the Skanda Purana, it suggests devotion, surrender to the divine, and purification of the mind.
4. Liberation and Union with the Divine: Ultimately, both texts see the awakening of Kundalini as the path to liberation (moksha), where the practitioner becomes one with the divine consciousness, transcending the cycle of birth and death.

 

 

Getting back to the OP, I don’t think kundalini is equivalent to preheaven qi which is the inherent, limited energy one is born with, stored in the kidneys, and responsible for the basic foundation of health and vitality.

 

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Bindi

[Lairg]

On 10/22/2024 at 2:07 AM, Eden said:

In my experience the Hindu is opening themselves and aligning their subtle body for this torroidal kundalini energy to start flowing through the central channel... Taoist is accomplishing the same thing just in a different manner

 

They may well be the same but, in my view, the more important question is:  Do the changes occur in different energy  systems?

 

It may be that the practice of human spirituality is embedded within greater systems.  My observation is there are three major spiritual contexts operating in this solar system based on:

 

- intelligent energy (previous system)

- right relationship  (current system)

- spiritual will  (future system).

 

Conscious choice of the system is important.  For example, I know humans operating within the intelligent energy reality, that would like to activate their hearts but repeatedly report failure.

 

Generally humans who say: "our god is a god of love" work within the right relationship system.

 

Still, those 3 systems are embedded in a greater system, and it is rare that a soul-bearing entity is permanently lost

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GuiKang]

7 hours ago, Bindi said:

I’m pretty sure this is valid AI kulandini information:  

 

 

Getting back to the OP, I don’t think kundalini is equivalent to preheaven qi which is the inherent, limited energy one is born with, stored in the kidneys, and responsible for the basic foundation of health and vitality.

 

 

It's definitely not.

 

Its type of Yin Fire (not pure Yin) post natal Qi.