Help with Zi Fa Gong

[ChiDragon]

13 minutes ago, tianzhang said:

Do you have any idea, what the issue is? Is it QI getting stuck in one place? Everything is find with zhan zhuang and zi fa gong but not Circle walking?

I think the issue is very cleared the problem is your pinch nerve in the spinal. Any wrong move will trigger your pain. In the Zhan Zhuang position, you are standing up straight probably there was no stress to trigger the nerve that cause the pain. When you do the circle walk and have your body turned will trigger the area in pain. 

Can you describe how were you doing the Zi Fa Gong? 

[tianzhang]

11 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

I think the issue is very cleared the problem is your pinch nerve in the spinal. Any wrong move will trigger your pain. In the Zhan Zhuang position, you are standing up straight probably there was no stress to trigger the nerve that cause the pain. When you do the circle walk and have your body turned will trigger the area in pain. 

Can you describe how were you doing the Zi Fa Gong? 

Actually I am doing a Yin Style Baguazhang that doesn't include the eight mother palms and only involves a forward piercing palm along the line of the circle ( so not much twisting)

The Zi Fa Gong came by itself when I reached two hours of zhan zhuang, I did not do any special practices to trigger it if that's what you're asking. It seems to calm down if I let my breath roll down through my spine into my feet, but if my breath is off or I tense up then I start to bounce off. I also notice if I focus on the dantian then pressure would build up ( bad pressure from my POV) and I would jump back and fall over usually with some form of screaming to relieve the pressure.

[ChiDragon]

10 minutes ago, tianzhang said:

The Zi Fa Gong came by itself when I reached two hours of zhan zhuang, I did not do any special practices to trigger it if that's what you're asking.

The OP was asking for help with Zi Fa Gong. It seems to me that was not your real question!

[tianzhang]

46 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

The OP was asking for help with Zi Fa Gong. It seems to me that was not your real question!

 
I apologize perhaps I worded it incorrectly, I am still confused on the whole thing. I am wondering if my Zi Fa Gong is an indicator of a deeper set of problems, that's what I needed help with. Because while it seems to help me improve my health and kung fu skills, it's also seemingly increasing my body's susceptibility to blockages.

[ChiDragon]

15 minutes ago, tianzhang said:

 
I apologize perhaps I worded it incorrectly, I am still confused on the whole thing. I am wondering if my Zi Fa Gong is an indicator of a deeper set of problems, that's what I needed help with. Because while it seems to help me improve my health and kung fu skills, it's also seemingly increasing my body's susceptibility to blockages.

I don't think you know what Zi Fa Gong is and you are not practicing it. Besides, by the way that I understand about Qigong, it is not and should not affecting you in any way. So, stop worry about it.

Edited yesterday at 02:36 AM by ChiDragon

[tianzhang]

2 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

I don't think you know what Zi Fa Gong is and you are not practicing. Besides, by the way that I understand Qigong, it is not and should not affecting you in any way. So stop worry about it.

I thought Zi Fa Gong was spontaneous qigong a process that can be willfully triggered or triggered through other practices right , like standing? 

[ChiDragon]

5 minutes ago, tianzhang said:

I thought Zi Fa Gong was spontaneous qigong a process that can be willfully triggered or triggered through other practices right , like standing? 

No, it is not the way that what you think it is. Let me see if I can find anything online to show you.

Here it is

 

Edited yesterday at 02:42 AM by ChiDragon

[tianzhang]

7 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

No, it is not the way that what you think it is. Let me see if I can find anything online to show you.

Here it is

 

Ohhh okay, yes I apologize then. What I suffer from is spontaneous movements during zhan zhuang not a specific set of qigong. If that helps gives you any further insight, then I'd love to hear them either way thank you for your time.

[ChiDragon]

9 minutes ago, tianzhang said:

Ohhh okay, yes I apologize then. What I suffer from is spontaneous movements during zhan zhuang not a specific set of qigong. If that helps gives you any further insight, then I'd love to hear them either way thank you for your time.

There should not have any movements in zhan zhuang. You should stand still and bend your knees not to pass your toes. Is that what you were doing?

[tianzhang]

Just now, ChiDragon said:

There should not have any movements in zhan zhuang. You should stand still and bend your knees not to pass your toes. Is that what you were doing?

Yes, I stood in a static posture without attempting to move or do any visualization. I did this first for 1 hour and then to two hours and then my body started to move by itself without me attempting to stop it. What I will note is that it didn't seem to make me tired and actually improved my kung fu and fajing skill in alot of ways.

[ChiDragon]

10 minutes ago, tianzhang said:

I did this first for 1 hour and then to two hours and then my body started to move by itself without me attempting to stop it

Now, that is Zi Fa Gong!

[tianzhang]

1 minute ago, ChiDragon said:

Now, that is Zi Fa Gong!

I want to clarify I tried stopping it, but I cannot stop it at all. It kept going by its own will.

[ChiDragon]

2 minutes ago, tianzhang said:

I want to clarify I tried stopping it, but I cannot stop it at all. It kept going by its own will.

Then, how did it stop?

[tianzhang]

Just now, ChiDragon said:

Then, how did it stop?

Hmmh? It didn't, it's still an on-going process. If you're asking how I stop the movements then I have to just shake it off and stop, it also seems to now start outside of qigong if I breath through my nostrils the breath physically travel from my nose and wave down my spine causing it to wave then to the bottom of my feet.

[Gerard]

23 hours ago, tianzhang said:

Hi so a quick background on me, I have been practicing Baguazhang and Xingyiquan for 1.5 years about now. 

 

You can't expect serious results as a beginner. 
 

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My questions are :

A.) Does anyone have any idea of what's going on inside my body? Is the Qi trapped due to my structural annomalies?

 

Blocked like most people. It's normal.

 

 

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B.) Is this due to my pelvic floor syndrome or my jaw structure?

 

Answered above. 
 

 

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C.) If it's due to my jaw structure in some way would I need to fix this via surgery to continue? Thank you.

 

Surgery won't do anything. The meridian and joint opening ability of BGZ + foundation work is unmatched. 
 

It takes years of daily practice not 1.5

 

 

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PS : I have also went to see a Chinese Medical Doctor who specialized in Qi healing and he said that there was a nerve block in my pelvic area which is likely causing the spontaneous movements but his advice to focus on the dantian while standing just worsened the issue.

Focus on dantien? Hocus pocus kind of practice. Move on.

 

Supplement your practice with the ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF GROUNDING you ought to do from now on.

 

Here's today's foremost authority on grounding and foundation work:

 

https://m.youtube.com/@HeJingHan-Baguaquan-Taijiquan/videos
 

Try go back as early as you can because he has been posting vids since 2005.

 

Also to be practiced daily throughout the day:

https://youtu.be/ASlrYhcCySg

 

 

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/gZEAT-kwGNY?si=2pNqR5Kkg6q2IJ9i

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Use kettlebells and/or pole assisted squat to help you getting started if your body-mind is stiff, which is naturally the case due to modern lifestyle.

 

In the narrow stance squat, go down ver slowly and stet in the squat position as long as you comfortably can. 

 

 

 

 

 

[tianzhang]

2 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

You can't expect serious results as a beginner. 
 

Blocked like most people. It's normal.

 

 

 

Answered above. 
 

 

 

Surgery won't do anything. The meridian and joint opening ability of BGZ + foundation work is unmatched. 
 

It takes years of daily practice not 1.5

 

 

Focus on dantien? Hocus pocus kind of practice. Move on.

 

Supplement your practice with the ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF GROUNDING you ought to do from now on.

 

Here's today's foremost authority on grounding and foundation work:

 

https://m.youtube.com/@HeJingHan-Baguaquan-Taijiquan/videos
 

Try go back as early as you can because he has been posting vids since 2005.

 

Also to be practiced daily throughout the day:

https://youtu.be/ASlrYhcCySg

 

 

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/gZEAT-kwGNY?si=2pNqR5Kkg6q2IJ9i

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Use kettlebells and/or pole assisted squat to help you getting started if your body-mind is stiff, which is naturally the case due to modern lifestyle.

 

In the narrow stance squat, go down ver slowly and stet in the squat position as long as you comfortably can. 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmh, thanks! 

Do you practice from He Jing Han's line of Baguaquan?

[Gerard]

No but he is the guy I learnt many of his very useful grounding exercises.

 

Your problem is excessive Wood movement which is blocking the normal flow of the Liver & Gallbladder meridians:

 

1. Chair sitting

2. Not enough daily movement, eg. regular walking

3.  Excessive mental activity

4. Computer work and/or study if applicable in your case

5. Likewise sexual activity which will worsen the condition if born in a fire or earth year and being born under Horse or Goat sign; eg born in 1966 to 1969, 1976 to 1979, etc. 

 

You need to be patient and persistent and able to cope with the releasing power of circle walking. A lot you'll release and it's painful and hard work. Ability to endure pain and hard work is a MUST in order to succeed. 

 

[Gerard]

The first video shows a hip opening exercise. it's very good. You keep switching from leg to leg by twisting the torso and keep going in a zig-zag fashion for as long as you can endure.

 

https://baguaquanlessons.com/2021/02/27/20210227-the-hip-opening-exercise-correction-and-general-lessons/

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

6 hours ago, Lukks said:

Try watching Damo Mitchell podcasts on youtube about Zi Fa Gong, maybe he can help you, he talks a lot about this process and in his book "A Comprehensive Guide to Daoist NeiGong" he explains the process of Zi Fa Gong in detail but I don't remember if he gives a solution to qi deviations.

Don’t bother with this.

 

@tianzhang if it’s the circle walking causing it, just stop doing it for a while and see if it helps

[Sahaja]

11 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Don’t bother with this.

 

@tianzhang if it’s the circle walking causing it, just stop doing it for a while and see if it helps

Why “don’t bother”?

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

1 hour ago, Sahaja said:

Why “don’t bother”?

If he doesn’t give any solutions, why waste your time and fill your mind with useless information?

[Neirong]

21 hours ago, Lukks said:

 

Try watching Damo Mitchell podcasts on youtube about Zi Fa Gong, maybe he can help you, he talks a lot about this process and in his book "A Comprehensive Guide to Daoist NeiGong" he explains the process of Zi Fa Gong in detail but I don't remember if he gives a solution to qi deviations.

 

Someday, people will realize that talking a lot about something does not equal competence, knowledge, or skill. Talking is just talking.

I would personally avoid people who talk too much, as this would mean instability, deviations on the level of "Vishudha chakra," and lack of intelligence.

[Cobie]

14 minutes ago, Neirong said:

… avoid people who talk too much …

I agree.  “In der Beschränkung zeigt sich erst der Meister” (If you know your stuff, you can convey it concisely). Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Cobie

[Lukks]

@-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- @Cobie @Neirong are yall saying that Damo is not a reliable source?

 

I just want to know your opinion about him, I've seen only a few people saying that he is not that good, I'm curious, can you elaborate more?

 

Once I saw a guy who claims that he(Damo) is not that advanced as a practitioner, he only got to a certain level in his training and then started teaching others.

Edited 5 hours ago by Lukks

[Cobie]

35 minutes ago, Lukks said:

… I just want to know your opinion about him …

I watched one video by him (all of it) where he is just talking. Imo he didn’t quite have the guts to say what he really meant (which made it boring) till the very end. And (for as far as I gathered) his view was ‘marry a nice girl and be happy’. So now I think his heart is in the right place.  

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Cobie