Is there a "safe" way to contact spirit of recently departed

[dontknwmucboutanythng]

Hello,

 

Is there a safe way to contact the spirit of recently (about 100 days) departed loved one, just to find out if they are ok?  By "safe" someway that doesn't hurt the deceased's soul or the living.  I recall reading somewhere that this activity can harm the departed soul, or open pathway for bad spirit to harm the living.

 

Many thanks.

[Daniel]

20 minutes ago, dontknwmucboutanythng said:

Is there a safe way to contact the spirit of recently (about 100 days) departed loved one, just to find out if they are ok?  By "safe" someway that doesn't hurt the deceased's soul or the living.  I recall reading somewhere that this activity can harm the departed soul, or open pathway for bad spirit to harm the living.

 

Speaking for myself, in my judgement, hurt and harm are material events which occur in the physical universe.  Souls and spirits are not hurt and harmed.  Your loved one is certainly ok.

[Mark Foote]

18 minutes ago, dontknwmucboutanythng said:

Hello,

 

Is there a safe way to contact the spirit of recently (about 100 days) departed loved one, just to find out if they are ok?  By "safe" someway that doesn't hurt the deceased's soul or the living.  I recall reading somewhere that this activity can harm the departed soul, or open pathway for bad spirit to harm the living.

 

Many thanks.
 

My gut reaction is that they will contact you.

My only experience has been in dreams, usually just before waking on a night when I got enough rest.  Meant the world to me, to realize a good feeling with someone I had lost, in those dreams. Still does, when on the rare occasion they occur.

If you want contact, live right, and get enough sleep.  Have faith.

 

[Paradoxal]

If I recall correctly, Eliphas Levi classified this under "necromancy" and included a ritual for it in The Doctrine and Ritual of High Magic. It's been awhile since I've read through it though, so I'm not able to point ya further.

 

That said, I can confirm it is possible as I've had conversations with loved ones who passed on myself. I'm not sure I'd recommend it, however, as it is much better to figure out a way to process this loss among the living. If ya get caught on the world of the dead, it'll prevent ya from living this life afterall.

[Cobie]

21 hours ago, dontknwmucboutanythng said:

… Is there a safe way to contact the spirit of recently …. departed loved one, just to find out if they are ok? …

My sincere condolences. Sorry but no, imo there’s no safe way to contact the departed. I wish you all the best. 

 

 

Edited November 8 by Cobie

[Nungali]

On 11/8/2024 at 8:34 AM, dontknwmucboutanythng said:

Hello,

 

Is there a safe way to contact the spirit of recently (about 100 days) departed loved one, just to find out if they are ok?  By "safe" someway that doesn't hurt the deceased's soul or the living.  I recall reading somewhere that this activity can harm the departed soul, or open pathway for bad spirit to harm the living.

 

Many thanks.

 

Depending on their transition, 100 days might not be enough .

 

Think of a baby coming into this world ... give them time .  However an evolved and ready person for that transition might take a lot less time .  In any case , when they are ready and if it is suitable , they might contact you.

 

But dont worry, there are  things in place there to look after them

 

Also, it isnt all about us .  One dear and close 'spiritual friend' taught me that . I was complaining a bit about their absence . They returned and communicated to me patiently  " I do have other things to do you know, and I can be busy with them  as well . "

 

That was a lesson well learnt .

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

My sincere condolences. Sorry but no, imo there’s no safe way to contact the departed. I wish you all the best. 

 

 

 

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Not even prayers to 'saints'   ?

[dontknwmucboutanythng]

Hello Nungali,
 

> ... Depending on their transition, 100 days might not be enough ...

 

"Not enough" to transition from earthly realm to next realm?  Or  "not enough" for the soul to "learn" or "gain power" to communicate to earthly realm? 

 

Does this imply the soul cannot communicate to earthly realm until it complete the above?

 

> ...One dear and close 'spiritual friend' taught me that 

Is this "spiritual friend" an earthly friend who passed away?

Thank you Nungali.

 

[Shadow_self]

On 07/11/2024 at 9:34 PM, dontknwmucboutanythng said:

Hello,

 

Is there a safe way to contact the spirit of recently (about 100 days) departed loved one, just to find out if they are ok?  By "safe" someway that doesn't hurt the deceased's soul or the living.  I recall reading somewhere that this activity can harm the departed soul, or open pathway for bad spirit to harm the living.

 

Many thanks.

 

They are fine, theyve done this before (over and over) So have you. 

 

For you own sake, stop worrying about that aspect of it

 

In fact, if its been 100 days, they have  normally already returned, it only takes half that time.

 

Its only in exceptional circumstances something else occurs (for example a suicide, or certain  types of a miserable life) 

 

I speak from experience on this matter

 

Your loved one is ok  

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, dontknwmucboutanythng said:

Hello Nungali,
 

> ... Depending on their transition, 100 days might not be enough ...

 

"Not enough" to transition from earthly realm to next realm?  Or  "not enough" for the soul to "learn" or "gain power" to communicate to earthly realm? 

 

The death process, in many traditions takes time ; for example in Zorostarianism  the body initially sits 3 days , ideally in the presence of a  special dog . They have 'spiritual ' reasons for this but also it is probably a guard against  someone being in a 'coma ' and not dead , although they might appear 'dead' . The  there are other processes in various cultures related to 'transition' eg, the 2nd death or 'astral death' . The there is the transition 'crossing the bridge '  as it where , or in some cases a river .

 

Also the person's state .. atheist or  one who is expecting 'something' or someone that had education and practice  ( for eg , some cultures initiation rites include a death rite  and / or a symbolic dying and rebirth )  ... will depend on how they transition, any 'shock ' they carry , any  false expectations dealt with . Also their mode of death ; relaxed supported or traumatic might effect the transition and recovery rate .  Also age , children and babies that die need special consideration 'over there ' .

 

Does this imply the soul cannot communicate to earthly realm until it complete the above?

 

No ,  a communication can be from a stable 'resolved'   source or a fractured or disturbed one .  Not all make a good transition .

 

> ...One dear and close 'spiritual friend' taught me that 

Is this "spiritual friend" an earthly friend who passed away?

 

Yes.

Thank you Nungali.

 

 

 

[Thrice Daily]

I wouldn't actively try to do anything personally. I'm quite the soul exists beyond time and space as do the memories and the 'place' (for want of a better word) communications can come from. 

 

I've lost a loved one a couple of years ago. Very precious and unique this person was in my life. When I learned of the passing, I checked my messages on messenger and she had left me a hint , a reflection back to me and a wish I would have made to reconnect with her in some way. 

 

I'm sharing it with you as it feels right to do so , I was going to pm it to you, somehow it feels right to wrote it here though so I will. She was dying of cancer at the time and in the messenger chat I hadn't realised how far she was in. She was battling for a long while. ^ months had elapsed since we messaged and when I learned she had passed I was shocked to the core.

 

I looked back over the messages and she was talking about a television series and that I may have reminded her of a character in it, at first I though it was a really old silly sitcom , when I looked it up though it was a netflix thing and although I don't usually watched it I signed up for a month and put it on. It was a message she wanted to leave me with . It was called Original Angel (OA), I'll be honest I was really struggling with her passing. She was taken so early. 

 

Well the show really created a lot of space for recollections, introspect and healing, for me. It's a strange series, but I feel compelled to share it. You will understand if you watch it. It's all about life, death and the beyond, in a way that transcends words. 

If you are a particularly sensitive soul when it comes to tv though you may want to give it a miss. Just felt compelled to share., as it helped me a lot. 

Edited November 9 by Thrice Daily

[Lukks]

7 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

In fact, if its been 100 days, they have  normally already returned, it only takes half that time

Can I ask where did you get this information?

The information I have is that it takes 50-100 YEARS, not days. It's from a vajrayana buddhist.

I'm asking with all the respect sorry if it sounded rude but I'm curious, please share with us

[Shadow_self]

Just now, Lukks said:

Can I ask where did you get this information?

The information I have is that it takes 50-100 YEARS, not days. It's from a vajrayana buddhist.

I'm asking with all the respect sorry if it sounded rude but I'm curious, please share with us

 

I have teachers from separate places that quote the same figure, despite being completely different traditions

 

2 different Buddhist / Daoist lineages

 

Also whomever is a vajrayana buddhist and told you that is misunderstood. The Bardo Thodol lists 49 days

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Bardo-Thodol

 

[Lukks]

That makes a lot of sense, thank you very much for sharing!

 

4 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:

 

I have teachers from separate places that quote the same figure, despite being completely different traditions

 

2 different Buddhist / Daoist lineages

 

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

 

I have teachers from separate places that quote the same figure, despite being completely different traditions

 

2 different Buddhist / Daoist lineages

 

Also whomever is a vajrayana buddhist and told you that is misunderstood. The Bardo Thodol lists 49 days

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Bardo-Thodol

 

 

 

The Second Bardo

 

O Lord, deliver me from hell's great fear and gloom!
Loose thou my spirit from the larvae of the tomb!
I seek them in their dread abodes without affright:
On them will I impose my will, the law of light.

 

I bid the night conceive the glittering hemisphere.
Arise, O sun, arise! O moon, shine white and clear!
I seek them in their dread abodes without affright:
On them will I impose my will, the law of light.

 

Their faces and their shapes are terrible and strange.
These devils by my might to angels I will change.
These nameless horrors I address without affright:
On them will I impose my will, the law of light.

These are the phantoms pale of mine astonied view,
Yet none but I their blasted beauty can renew;
For to the abyss of hell I plunge without affright:
On them will I impose my will, the law of light.

 

In the western tradition this stage is enacted in the IV degree .  Even then some people, who had been 'trained ' previously  *   still, freaked out, got confused, took it seriously, could not understand, etc .

 

* in various ways ; eg we where instructed to view the issues from multiple angles ; our traditions , other philosophers , particularly yogis and tantrics and religions such as Tibetan Buddhism  etc .  So some  pre-understanding  should have been there .

I have certainly seen some people at this stage of their initiation journey , misinterprete and become 'impeded' in relation to their further progress .

 

Also it IS after the third degree which is a death rite  ,  one would think the next series of initiation  is about 'after death '  ???

 

The end of third is equivalent to first bardo .

 

Regarding amount of days , I  won't comment except to say 'time is different over there '.

 

One thing stood out

 

for me in the above quote  was the reference to Central Asia .  Is that confined to Afghanistan  ? 

[Shadow_self]

4 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

 

The Second Bardo

 

O Lord, deliver me from hell's great fear and gloom!
Loose thou my spirit from the larvae of the tomb!
I seek them in their dread abodes without affright:
On them will I impose my will, the law of light.

 

I bid the night conceive the glittering hemisphere.
Arise, O sun, arise! O moon, shine white and clear!
I seek them in their dread abodes without affright:
On them will I impose my will, the law of light.

 

Their faces and their shapes are terrible and strange.
These devils by my might to angels I will change.
These nameless horrors I address without affright:
On them will I impose my will, the law of light.

These are the phantoms pale of mine astonied view,
Yet none but I their blasted beauty can renew;
For to the abyss of hell I plunge without affright:
On them will I impose my will, the law of light.

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Nungali said:

In the western tradition this stage is enacted in the IV degree .  Even then some people, who had been 'trained ' previously  *   still, freaked out, got confused, took it seriously, could not understand, etc .

 

* in various ways ; eg we where instructed to view the issues from multiple angles ; our traditions , other philosophers , particularly yogis and tantrics and religions such as Tibetan Buddhism  etc .  So some  pre-understanding  should have been there .

I have certainly seen some people at this stage of their initiation journey , misinterprete and become 'impeded' in relation to their further progress .

 

Also it IS after the third degree which is a death rite  ,  one would think the next series of initiation  is about 'after death '  ???

 

The end of third is equivalent to first bardo .

 

It was my understanding that, in the mystery schools of old, this was not an enactment, it was an induced experience  

 

Sound correct? 

 

4 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Regarding amount of days , I  won't comment except to say 'time is different over there '.

 

This is true in my understanding  

 

4 minutes ago, Nungali said:

One thing stood out

 

for me in the above quote  was the reference to Central Asia .  Is that confined to Afghanistan  ? 

 

Which quote exactly? 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

 

 

 

 

Ahhh ... I nealry put down my own poem about it ; " Another day in Hell "   ...   

 

But I thought not to concentrate on hell .....  in a thread like this    

 

 

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

 

It was my understanding that, in the mystery schools of old, this was not an enactment, it was an induced experience  

 

A good 'enactment' should produce an 'induced experience'  ;  'dramatic ritual '   ... all the way from

 

  to  

 

Or are you asking about  .... 'potions'  ?  Yes, sometimes .  Back 'in the day ' (not too far away, ie. before psycho-active   drug legislation ), certain other  related rituals as well - planetary rites with specific drugs for specific planets  ; eg Saturn - opium poppies dipped in blood  *  , mars - tobacco .... in some cases  'hemp' .

 

* although in a 'magical ritual' they might only need be present, on the altar etc .

 

Sound correct? 

 

Mostly  ... in that  , but also ; " A good 'enactment' should produce an 'induced experience'   ."

 

 

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

 

This is true in my understanding  

 

 

 

 

 

Which quote exactly? 

 

 

" The Vajrayarna (Tantric ) Buddhism  that emerged in Central Asia ....  " 

[S:C]

15 hours ago, Nungali said:

the 2nd death or '

astral

death'

 

Wtf is this? Would you explain please?

[silent thunder]

@dontknwmucboutanythng  if there are unresolved aspects of the relationship, or a need on one end or the other, then they will contact you.  In the dreamscape is rather common for this to occur.

 

[Shadow_self]

4 hours ago, S:C said:

Wtf is this? Would you explain please?

 

Various layers of the  subtle bodies break down during the dying process until it reaches the place that the deepest karmic dispositions that dictate the next incarnations reside, and then, back into the next one usually

 

Think of it like stripping layers off of an onion, then putting new ones back 

[Shadow_self]

10 hours ago, Nungali said:

" The Vajrayarna (Tantric ) Buddhism  that emerged in Central Asia ....  " 

 

Not that I know of tbh. To the best of my knowledge it came from India and mixed with the regional variations in TIbet. Perhaps one of the others on the board know

 

Its not my strong point tbh. Im more on the side of other Buddhist traditions  

[silent thunder]

The metaphor of the onion resonates with significance in my awareness.

For, at the center of the onion... beneath all the layers... lies emptiness.

[Nungali]

19 hours ago, silent thunder said:

@dontknwmucboutanythng  if there are unresolved aspects of the relationship, or a need on one end or the other, then they will contact you.  In the dreamscape is rather common for this to occur.

 

 

I was about to say similar , in that :

 

I forgot to say above , I never consciously initiated the contacts .

[Nungali]

18 hours ago, silent thunder said:

The metaphor of the onion resonates with significance in my awareness.

For, at the center of the onion... beneath all the layers... lies emptiness.

 

Ahhhh .... but Grasshopper , the onion is but the earthly life . Does  not the onion  live deep in the earth yet grows    a tube up out the top of its head , up into the heavens, where it blooms and fruits in a new world , making seed that blows off into the winds , to come back to earth and renew itself again ? 

 

So, is your 'awareness' in the centre at the void, or directed towards the making of the seed .

 

[silent thunder]

awareness is