The Height of Idiocy

[Lois]

"The Height of Idiocy

There are hundreds of thousands of artists in the world. I once read that there are 300,000 artists in Paris alone. There are many famous artists who, for example, aren’t interested in AI painting. Yet, that’s what’s truly fascinating right now! I believe that those who ignore modern forms of painting have no connection to history!

Check out this gallery to see the grand levels of artistry: https://superrare.com/explore

But 99 percent of artists are unaware of such things. They continue with endless exhibitions in traditional galleries, clueless about what's really happening. It’s both frightening and amusing!"

[Nungali]

It is not 'painting' though .

 

Painting is a visual art, which is characterized by the practice of applying paint, pigment, color or other medium to a solid surface (called the "matrix"^[1] or "support").^[2] The medium is commonly applied to the base with a brush, but other implements, such as knives, sponges, and airbrushes, may be used. One who produces paintings is called a painter.

 

'Unaware ' ... 'clueless'  ...   'amusing '   ?  

 

' The Height of Idiocy '     did seem a good title for that post though .

[Lois]

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

It is not 'painting' though .

 

This is the answer of AI Copilot

Yes, computer graphics can be considered a form of painting, especially when it comes to digital painting. Digital painting uses computer technology to create images, mimicking traditional artistic tools like brushes, paints, and canvases.

Digital painting allows artists to create artworks on a computer screen using graphic tablets and specialized software. This form of art includes many techniques and styles characteristic of traditional painting but utilizes digital tools for their execution.

Therefore, digital painting is a modern direction in art that expands the possibilities for artists and allows them to experiment with new forms and methods of creating images.

If you have any more questions about digital painting or other aspects of computer art, feel free to ask!

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Lois said:

 

This is the answer of AI Copilot

Yes, computer graphics can be considered a form of painting, especially when it comes to digital painting. Digital painting uses computer technology to create images, mimicking traditional artistic tools like brushes, paints, and canvases.

Digital painting allows artists to create artworks on a computer screen using graphic tablets and specialized software. This form of art includes many techniques and styles characteristic of traditional painting but utilizes digital tools for their execution.

Therefore, digital painting is a modern direction in art that expands the possibilities for artists and allows them to experiment with new forms and methods of creating images.

 

I say it isnt . And it will not be allowed in our galleries .

 

3 hours ago, Lois said:

If you have any more questions about digital painting or other aspects of computer art, feel free to ask!

 

Ask who ?   AI copilot ?     

[Lois]

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

Ask who ?   AI copilot ?  

yes

[Lois]

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

I say it isnt . And it will not be allowed in our galleries .

 

This is not true. Galleries exhibit computer graphics works that are printed, for example, on paper. There are other forms. There are galleries that show video art, including those created with computer graphics. Personally, I did this in one gallery.

[Nungali]

11 hours ago, Lois said:

yes

 

No thanks . 

 

But you can give AI art a message from me ;

 

Go back to art school and concentrate on getting the hands right !

[Nungali]

11 hours ago, Lois said:

 

This is not true. Galleries exhibit computer graphics works that are printed, for example, on paper. There are other forms. There are galleries that show video art, including those created with computer graphics. Personally, I did this in one gallery.

 

Well, I have seen computer graphics' in art galleries but it was not AI art . I have seen video art in galleries but that is not AI art .

 

What I am saying is , AI art like the below example , is never gonna make it into a gallery .

 

 

Now  THAT  ^  is the height of idiocy  !  

 

I will also tell you what is  a higher form of idiocy ;   claiming 99 % of artists  are unaware of AI art  because they choose to keep humanly painting and not switch to the 'dumb downed computer assisted version ' and continue with their chosen media ... AND find success in a gallery and you cant ... and you find them clueless  frightening and amusing .

 

Thats what you think :

 

" But 99 percent of artists are unaware of such things. They continue with endless exhibitions in traditional galleries, clueless about what's really happening. It’s both frightening and amusing!"

 

tell you what Lois, why dont YOU give up your preferred medium of art  and start painting ? are you unaware of real art ? 99% of AI artists must be unaware of real art .  You and them are clueless ... amusing   ... but not frightening . 

Edited Friday at 09:03 PM by Nungali

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

Can I share some feel good news? This is 15 yo. William Heimdal:

here is some of his work:

(Sorry, intented to upload more but was unable to)

 

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“Seek Conflict, Not Safety” | William Heimdal’s Advice on Swimming Against the Current

Written by Carl Korsnes | March 16, 2021

 

Kitsch painter William Heimdal has read his Bible and follows the Sermon on the Mount’s advice to choose the narrow path. He believes that many people are too obsessed with living in the comfort of safety and advocates for actively seeking conflict instead.

 

“Today, people are encouraged to seek a safe society but forget that the wide gate leads to destruction,” says the young painter.

 

Known as “Prince William” in the kitsch community, Heimdal made the decision to forgo high school to follow his calling as a painter. He chose to break with societal norms because, for him, seeking challenges is a virtue.

 

“One should always seek challenges and conflict because that’s how one improves,” he states.

 

Slaying the Great Dragon

 

Heimdal has found much wisdom in Jesus’ words from the Sermon on the Mount. He quotes the passage that has been pivotal for him during his recent crossroads:

 

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

 

“It’s about how dead fish follow the current. The strong salmon swims upstream,” he says.

 

The kitsch painter draws inspiration from J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings universe to illustrate his point:

 

“Slaying the great dragon is what gives life meaning, not living in the Shire. Frodo took on the task. If there were nothing admirable about that, we wouldn’t read the story,” he says, adding:

 

“But one also needs a guide, like Gandalf, to show the way to Mordor.”

 

“Who has been your guide?”

“Odd Nerdrum, of course.”

 

Heimdal refers to Joseph Campbell, the psychologist who wrote groundbreaking work on myths and became a myth himself. Campbell described accepting a challenge as the first step on the Hero’s Journey—a universal story pattern found across cultures. The threshold to accept this challenge can be high, but it’s the decision that gives life meaning and sets the adventure in motion.

 

Living the Hero’s Life

 

Still in his teens, Heimdal spends little time with peers. He doesn’t pursue a formal education like most do today. Instead, he learns painting from the great masters, reads philosophy from ancient thinkers, and discusses existential questions with like-minded individuals. For him, this constitutes a better education than any modern institution could offer.

 

He aims to live a life akin to the heroes in myths or movies.

 

“No one watches a movie about a boy who grows up in a safe home, goes to school, becomes a mechanic, and retires at 60 with a gold watch. That’s not a story,” he asserts.

 

“One must live as if someone is making a movie about them.”

 

The Power of the System

 

Heimdal believes modern society is not designed for people to live as heroes; rather, it discourages it.

 

“We live in a society where the State rules. The State’s greatest challenge is virtuous individuals—those who are self-reliant. You’re never encouraged to be confident in yourself; you’re taught to trust the system,” he explains.

 

He cites society’s response to the coronavirus as an example:

 

“The independent individual, willing to risk illness to put bread on the table, is portrayed as the greatest threat. Meanwhile, those who conform by wearing ‘slave masks’ (face masks, ed.) are hailed as heroes,” he says.

 

Heimdal claims he has never been deeply involved in society and has no interest in it. For him, the sacred values are the individual and the family.

 

“Others learn that paying taxes gets you free healthcare and that you must bow to the great public power. I have no relationship with that and never have. For me, the private sphere is the core value,” he says, adding:

 

“Society doesn’t matter much as long as the family remains intact. Maybe it’s because I have a good family that I’m not particularly affected by society.”

 

Critique of the Education System

 

Ten years of schooling haven’t brought Heimdal much of value, he claims. He is particularly critical of how little the Norwegian school system fosters independent thinking.

 

“There’s a dangerous indoctrination in Norwegian schools that I don’t want to be part of. I’m also not susceptible to such indoctrination, so I just get frustrated when my classmates accept it,” he says.

 

Many advised Heimdal to pursue formal education for the security it would provide as a fallback option. These arguments didn’t appeal to him.

 

“If you weave a safety net to catch you, it’s wasted effort if the threads are moth-eaten. The school system is rotten to the core, so I don’t see its value. I don’t understand why anyone would seek safety,” he says.

 

“Are you secure in yourself?”

“Yes.”

 

“Has philosophy played a role in that?”

“Philosophy has been vital in my decision-making and life in general. Classical philosophy is so deeply human that it’s hard not to be captivated by it,” Heimdal emphasizes.

On the Shoulders of Giants

 

Heimdal’s life choices and expressed values demand independent thinking and self-reliance. While these principles may strongly guide his life, his perspective on painting is different.

 

“Should a painter strive to be independent?”

“Not at all. We stand on the shoulders of giants. There’s nothing wrong with that. Greatness arises when you have a close connection to the giants of the past. If you stand on the shoulders of giants, you might get closer to God,” Heimdal explains.

 

“Whose shoulders do you stand on?”

“The Greeks’. And the Greeks stand on the Egyptians’. And the Egyptians stand on someone else’s—probably someone from before the Flood.”

 

‘Man with Skull’ by William Heimdal.

 

At the Center of the Universe

 

In recent years, psychologist Jordan Peterson has critiqued the modern tendency toward what he calls “group identification,” where people define themselves primarily by their group—be it ethnicity, orientation, or political beliefs—while disregarding individual differences.

 

Heimdal holds individuality sacred and rejects defining himself solely through group affiliations. Not even age is something he ties closely to his identity.

 

“We live in a society that is very preoccupied with age. What is your relationship to your own age?”

“I don’t have a relationship with my age at all. It’s a strength not to care about such superficial things.”

 

“What’s the value of associating with people of different ages?”

“If, as an 80-year-old, you find that your entire friend group has dropped like flies, you become bitter. That doesn’t happen if your friend group includes people who are 20, 40, and 60 years old,” he explains.

 

“Not defining yourself by age requires confidence, a sense of security in being an individual. Even though you’ve said you don’t seek safety, it seems like you have an internal sense of security. Is that true?”

 

Heimdal attributes this inner security to a strong family foundation and a worldview that elevates the individual and humanity as a whole.

 

“You constantly hear that humans are just tiny grains of sand in the world and that what we do doesn’t matter. That’s the consensus. But I subscribe to the Greek worldview—that the Earth is at the center of the universe,” Heimdal concludes.

 

“Everything revolves around humanity.”

 

 

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[EFreethought]

On 11/15/2024 at 3:07 PM, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

Can I share some feel good news? This is 15 yo. William Heimdal:

here is some of his work:

 

 

He seems more than a little high on himself.

 

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

7 minutes ago, EFreethought said:

 

He seems more than a little high on himself.

 

I get you, but I sort of like it. He is just vibing and being himself haha. Doesnt care about being judged. He just want to paint. And he is not a bad painter.

Edited Monday at 01:12 AM by Sir Darius the Clairvoyent

[Lois]

On 15.11.2024 at 10:00 PM, Nungali said:

 

tell you what Lois, why dont YOU give up your preferred medium of art  and start painting ? are you unaware of real art ? 99% of AI artists must be unaware of real art .  You and them are clueless ... amusing   ... but not frightening .

 

One does not exclude the other. I don't see any problems at all!!! Here, for example, is what I personally did.

https://www.instagram.com/alexandrelois1/

 

 

Regarding the fact that they don't do exhibitions of AI works, I have other information, although I haven't specifically looked into this topic. I don't see any problems with doing an exhibition of AI works in a gallery.

 

AI in Art: Unique Exhibition Opens in Berlin

https://www.dw.com/ru/iskusstvo-ili-net-marat-gelman-otkryl-vystavkukollaboraciu-hudoznikov-i-iskusstvennogo-intellekta/a-66505791

[Sherman Krebbs]

I highly recommend watercolors.

 

Art is not about the end result, its about the process.  The final product is just a surprise, which eggs you on to keep doing more and trying new things. When admiring art, its not the result that you are admiring, it is the process undertaken by the artist.  AI art, on the other hand, is like watching a game of NBA jam where the computer is playing against itself. Sure they score some pretty fancy dunks, but what's the point.  Try this:  write out a prompt on a pad of paper with a good old fashioned,... what is that thing called again,... oh yeah, a pencil. Then, take out some crayons (or paints if you prefer) and try to create what it is you wrote. Tip: focus on the details that are important to you.  

 

It probably wont look much like what you thought in your mind, but that's the whole point of it. usually its much cooler, and sometimes it will reveal something to you.   I'll leave it up to others to come up with potential prompts for lois to draw and report back to the group, although I am expecting him to post his manually created work by the end of the week.  no extensions lois.  

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

 

[Nungali]

36 minutes ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

 

 

NO  !   HAPPIER ! ! !