Energy boundary disruption during Qi Gong class

[Rheor]

Hello everyone,

Something I dreaded has happened last week-end during Qi Gong class (as part of TCM studies).

I was at the time going through middle Dantian opening (and still am fortunately). I don't have anchored energy due to my opening process and weak wei qi (easily subject to wind invasion for example, especially in low back).

We were paired in two : one person laying down, the other person standing trying to "feel" information about the other. I felt the other person hovering her hand over my higher abdomen, it was cold, my energy moved around in my heart area like it was being pulled (it was working there).

Then I felt huge malaise, had a panic attack due to what happened, I turned white and my hands were tingling. They called for some help, the director came in and did pressure points and tapping to help me come back to earth. It took 30 whole minutes for me to be functional again to leave the class.

I don't hold grudges on this person nor on anyone, as I recognize it was risky for me to take on this studies in the first place considering my energetic vulnerability. This incident could have happened anytime along the way.

Multiple times, it was as if the universe was keeping me from going there, but I was also encouraged to keep going, so this is a bit confusing.

Any idea about what happened ?

I was wondering if I should drop my TCM studies as I can't afford to let that happen again.

Has anyone has gone through this kind of thing ?

It is still fresh and disturbing memory, I do unwise things sometimes and am still learning. I hope you will understand.

Thank you.

Edited Friday at 02:37 PM by Rheor

[Thrice Daily]

hmmm, did you guys do grounding exercises before you started getting so close to each other in this manner?

[Rheor]

12 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

hmmm, did you guys do grounding exercises before you started getting so close to each other in this manner?

We did wuji before each "sensing" being mindful of alignment and feeling our own bodies, keeping aware of the sensations in our own body.

I was not grounded anyway due to energy opening process running freely, I was aware of the possibility of this kind of thing happening and it actually happened in the most disturbing way.

Edited Saturday at 12:35 PM by Rheor

[Thrice Daily]

I shared sometime ago in brief about what I'd do to ground. Learning Reiki changed my whole perspective on getting close to people, especially physically facing people head on. I became very aware of the importance and more critically the mechanism and quickly discovered benefits of a daily grounding practice. It really is worth topping it up every day and making it a part of daily routine... 

 

Here is what I shared sometime ago  

 

Hope it might help you , it guided me towards balance and security and continues to work now in life to this day...

 

 

[Rheor]

6 hours ago, Thrice Daily said:

I shared sometime ago in brief about what I'd do to ground. Learning Reiki changed my whole perspective on getting close to people, especially physically facing people head on. I became very aware of the importance and more critically the mechanism and quickly discovered benefits of a daily grounding practice. It really is worth topping it up every day and making it a part of daily routine... 

 

Here is what I shared sometime ago  

 

Hope it might help you , it guided me towards balance and security and continues to work now in life to this day...

 

 

 

Wow, this thread is quite sobering, especially about energy exchange (cf. freeform), so my feeling is that energy actually left my body from the middle dantian, in fact I felt drained like I shouldn't have been, now my energy process is a lot slower.

I already put so much hope in this studies, it feels quite compromised now, in one time I lost so much Qi, obviously I want to protect my life.. It feels awkward to envision myself going there where it happened while I haven't recovered, a disillusionment. I underestimated what it entailed to go there in my state. Lessons learned, at least it showed some deep attachments about my energy, letting go and letting go of the "incident".

It feels like I am facing a dead end, I can still do distance learning, but it feels unsavory with a bitter taste left, at least I can keep my integrity by being far away. I feel a bit unmoored now...

Perhaps this is my karma for trying to do everything alone and ignoring universe's signs.

Thank you for the earthing ideas (would walking barefoot on grass work for protection?), I still need to finish my personal growth, have my life sorted out, be stable and confident again before trying to meddle with other people energy field.

Thanks again for your replies, I appreciate your clarity and wisdom.

[Thrice Daily]

Yes physically walking on earth will help.

 

Trust me you will be fine. It's great to hear and hope you are consistent on the principle of attuning with others and helping is great, it will pay though to be flexible on the strategy. Can I offer a short story. 

 

After practicing Qigong quite solidly for two years or so I went to college to study Holistic Therapies. This meant massaging every day all day for one year. My energy was very strong when we started..

 

Now we did do some grounding practices before treatments , but typically it was rushed though, just a few minutes if that, maybe even a few breaths... It didn't work I became extremely depleted in my qi energy, at first it was powerful like electricity leaving my hands,,,. I became weak and frail actually and suffered a lot of pain too. I was so connected to giving and helping I couldn't help it. Some of the people on the course were older, damaged or didn't look after themselves. My energy was constantly dropping.. 

 

Then I learned Reiki, and I realised a simple truth... I should never reach out further than my roots extend down... It is important, actually vital to stay in my own power and reach out from there,,, A couple of minutes may not be enough if I am getting into somebodies energy field for half hour.. It has to be a deep wish for me to never reach out far enough to damage me or go too far into the other persons energy...

 

I speak with this like a prayer before doing any work. I spend some times mentally preparing and asking for protection using words silently with great intention to keep me safe from harm and to only help as far as my energy will let me without depleting it or causing me any harm.. I set the parameters for what I want to happen//

 

Now , the earthing is a big part of that. Because I am asking for the planet to protect me it the vast magnetism and electricity that lies below us, right down to the core. I ask it to keep me safe, especially my physical self i.e. my physical heart and that no matter what happens, no matter what presents itself to me in the following prayer, meditation, healing etc, I will be protected and totally free of adverse effects.. It is like a spoken contract, and also mixed with gratitude, thanking the earth and the forces for keeping me safe , (No Matter What) it works well for me. Very well...

 

I hope you get some training, even just a weekend with a qualified teacher, If like me you get a Reiki atunement , please choose a proper teacher, with a proper lineage and make sure it is in person and he or she teaches and holds workshops.atunements often throughout the year.... 

 

When I had the basic course under my belt I was able to read teachings from the original students of Reiki Originator Dr Usui and learn from them, that is where my understanding and respect for grounding really deepened. (but these are principles in truth that are universal and go beyond any human system, imho) That is why I am comfortable sharing with you.

 

About the heart, I have an older friend in college to thank for that Mike. God bless him, he had a bad heart. He warned me don't do any distance healing without being extremely well grounded. Really I have him to thank for that advice or I may have gone the same way... Grounding really works though, it's worth getting into it, it is always going to pay to be energetically safer on your journey...

 

I do hope some of this can help you. I do practice what I preach and feel comfortable talking about it as it is a power I'm familiar with and feel I have it well under my control now. To be honest I won't even say a prayer without doing grounding practices first.

 

I will pass on the same advice I was given as I was encouraged to approach Reiki. And that is "Ask the Angels for help, they will help particularly Arch Angel Michael." 

 

I'm not suggesting you 'should' do anything so I hope I don't come off like that. I'm in an expressive and sharing mood and wanted to share with you what really worked for me in making sense of a similar frustrating situation..

 

Good Luck and feel free to message me any time  

Edited Saturday at 10:31 PM by Thrice Daily

[Dedicated]

On 29/11/2024 at 8:27 PM, Rheor said:

Hello everyone,

Something I dreaded has happened last week-end during Qi Gong class (as part of TCM studies).

I was at the time going through middle Dantian opening (and still am fortunately). I don't have anchored energy due to my opening process and weak wei qi (easily subject to wind invasion for example, especially in low back).

We were paired in two : one person laying down, the other person standing trying to "feel" information about the other. I felt the other person hovering her hand over my higher abdomen, it was cold, my energy moved around in my heart area like it was being pulled (it was working there).

Then I felt huge malaise, had a panic attack due to what happened, I turned white and my hands were tingling. They called for some help, the director came in and did pressure points and tapping to help me come back to earth. It took 30 whole minutes for me to be functional again to leave the class.

I don't hold grudges on this person nor on anyone, as I recognize it was risky for me to take on this studies in the first place considering my energetic vulnerability. This incident could have happened anytime along the way.

Multiple times, it was as if the universe was keeping me from going there, but I was also encouraged to keep going, so this is a bit confusing.

Any idea about what happened ?

I was wondering if I should drop my TCM studies as I can't afford to let that happen again.

Has anyone has gone through this kind of thing ?

It is still fresh and disturbing memory, I do unwise things sometimes and am still learning. I hope you will understand.

Thank you.

Hey,

 

At least you these strong reactions make you know you're still alive.

 

You have a couple of things to heal and process here. But the drama is over, so take a breath.

 

Energy moved. Perhaps it's like to spin wool. With experience comes smooth movement of energy. 

 

But learn what assists you to feel happy and relaxed. Time will tell what works 

 

 

[Bhathen]

@Rheor

Did the teacher or course director explain what was happening and provide a solution for your problems? 

[Rheor]

@Thrice Daily

I will be focusing on recovering for a while, I hope that I can make choices based on wholeness in the future and not with a divided mind / chaos in me. It is clear to me that the grounding is also to be from a place of alignment (energetically, mentally, emotionally, intentionally, etc..), which I have yet to achieve at all yet.

I forced my way to the course too much, but I take heart in the fact that I can learn from this experience and have some tools to navigate more safely.

Thank you for sharing your own story

Edited Sunday at 09:48 AM by Rheor

[Rheor]

6 hours ago, Bhathen said:

@Rheor

Did the teacher or course director explain what was happening and provide a solution for your problems? 

I think they had no clue about what happened exactly, it was elusive, they talked about some exchange happening. Well personally, I had to admit to myself what really happened, it was a cold shower, the reiki thread confirms it.

 

I preferred to wait it out a bit before contacting the school and talk about it, they seem like regular folks practicing chinese medicine for the most part with no apparent personal cultivation.

I preferred to investigate myself, have more elements, regroup, and recover minimally after the upset before returning to them.

 

[Thrice Daily]

After reading your last messages. I’d be most interested to talk with you about grounding in a different way.

 

i’d ask questions about eating habits, sleeping habit and drinking water etc 
 

Do you get morning sunlight, do you have a place for daily walk in nature, even 10 minutes walking through a park.

 

it’s these types of things that are most important for my personal grounding. A few days with these out of whack and the system is , well ungrounded…

 

Just want to point there in case you’re inconsistent in any of those vital things.

 

i’d make suggestions based on that. Improve diet, more sunlight, walking, regular water intake… 

 

Also a few vitamins for a month at least to top up goes a long way. Vit B C , maybe iron or zinc (I do a month on one then a month on the other, absorption is compromised if done together) and a good dose of vit D

 

If money would be tight I’d get a good multi vitamin at least (can make a massive difference if depleted already)

 

If I’ve plenty of extra money I’d get a few more supps, magnesium, creatine, and probably Reishi and Chaga mushroom 

 

it’s nice to experiment with gentle supplements like milk thistle… and  others. I’ll always have a quick check online to make sure they are safe before ordering. There are many great supplements that are very cheap and work wonders, garlic pills, selenium , ginko biloba 

 

ALL HAVE A DIRECT OR DIRECT EFFECT ON MY SENSE PF GROUNDEDNESS IN EVERYDAY LIFE… 

 

That is my strongest angle on maintenance , cycling natural supplements in and out throughout the year always keeps me a step ahead… 

 

MANY HIDDEN DAILY HAPPENINGS-CAN UNGROUND ME 

 

Another is Fat. I have a uniform diet meaning I eat essentially the same thing every day. It makes it easy to see if I change something exactly how I’m effected. 
 

Every day I cook with fats and add healthy fat to my protein (meat/eggs) I’ve noticed if I drop the fats for even 3-4 days my mood and confidence, all drops 

 

This is actually a hormonal thing as dietary fats (butter, olive oil, coconut oil, avocado, good pig fat, tallow etc) regulate the healthy production of hormones … 

 

for me this is a really big deal, just this one block out of place and the whole Jenga tower collapses 

 

I’ll finish with this; adding daily habits like this are going make any person WAY MORE GROUNDED and resilient to stress. 
 

just learning to box clever and top up these areas everyday will give you a buoyancy more precious than gold 

 

and once you have your head above water again WHICH YOU WILL ❤️, you will be able to tread water again with ease and enjoy the swim, looking around and enjoying the scenery, you may even get a nice suntan. 
 

Unless we like swimming under water, no one likes being under water…. 
 

I’ve been there and suffered chronic physical pain for years which made it incredibly challenging to get back above water… 

 

One last thing. Again I don’t want to push advice but this is what worked for me and I feel compelled somehow to share directly from my heart…

 

I became the change I wanted to see… I know you have probably heard that before but let me explain. 
I totally dropped the old self , so speaking to others and myself about my bad back like I usually did. I made a decision to literally cut off from doing so. I also refused to use self speak to myself about it. 
 

instead I tell myself I was strong and well, that my back was strong and flexible etc (it wasn’t but every day on my walk I told myself it was, over and over and over again, it was counter intuitive) 

 

BUT I WAS BECOMING THE CHANGE I WANTED TO SEE. 
 

It took a long time I’m not going to lie to you. But through this and just saying Thankyou for everything each day the good and the bad , I started to reprogram myself, I had no idea I could rewrite destiny like this back then

 

AND STEP INTO A NEW ME…

 

At first and for a long while I would get frustrated, I’d reach out for sugar for example and eat while packets of biscuits  it just made my back worse and made me feel feelings and have thoughts that didn’t help

 

but again I went back to consistency and the more the daily routine “supported” me the better I got…

 

AFTER A WHILE I WAS SO BUSY LIVING THE SOLUTION THERE WAS NP SPACE FOR THE PROBLEM

 

In truth I never fixed my back, I fixed my way of thinking about it. I look at every other part of my body and how wonderful and strong it can be improving every day , and I’m very happy

 

i think it’s the same with life. 1 little thing even just 1 can get us down so far down we don’t know what to do…

 

but there are A MILLION other things we could look at and improve on

 

they don’t seem related but they are , and they will lead to a sense of grounding that is long lasting and powerful. 
 

I'm grateful for my experiences that now being a little older I can talk about them. Consistency is so key and it’s a skill set and mind-muscle building endeavour that is so supportive … 

 

Right I better get my second coffee and do my joint rotation mini workout while the kettle boils  

 

Nice talking and I do hope my message resonates with some of you who are reading, particularly if you are in your 20’s and feel smashed up on the rocks…

 

There-is hope, you’ll love life again and life will love you back… Trust me I know

[Thrice Daily]

Role Modelling as well is something that I over looked at first . But it was lovely to look up to people who exhibited some of the changes I wanted to see…

 

Example, I want to be strong well into my 80’s (90’s and beyond too  ) I bumped into a guy, we’ll into his 70’s online, who had a intellectual approach to his work at a fitness expert and bodybuilder.

 

His website was old and basic, yet packed with allsorts of incredible information on health wellness diet and strength training.. 

 

This is my guy here, it’s his indomitable spirit that inspires me and will probably keep me going well into my 90’s (believe it or not I actually already have daily challenge goals set in my mind for when I get into my 90’s, you might say I’m quirky like that  )

https://www.cbass.com/

 

Funny I read in one part of his website , every single day he has a peanut butter sandwich on very good healthy brown bread and an apple … 

 

Well I started doing the same, every single day. Must have kept it up for a year and did I enjoy it. It was awesome 👏 
 

It’s funny what we can find to make us happy and ground us . I think food is number 1 personally.

 

Anyway just a short post to say “modelling” can be awesome and I wish I’d have known about the technique when I was much much younger. Role modelling is such a fabulous path to success in any area of life… Why they don’t teach it in schools is beyond me. 

[Rheor]

@Thrice Daily
Thank you, I will never forget your support.

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

On 01/12/2024 at 10:04 AM, Rheor said:

I think they had no clue about what happened exactly, it was elusive, they talked about some exchange happening. Well personally, I had to admit to myself what really happened, it was a cold shower, the reiki thread confirms it.

 

I preferred to wait it out a bit before contacting the school and talk about it, they seem like regular folks practicing chinese medicine for the most part with no apparent personal cultivation.

I preferred to investigate myself, have more elements, regroup, and recover minimally after the upset before returning to them.

 

What methods are they teaching you to replenish your qi?

[Rheor]

22 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

What methods are they teaching you to replenish your qi?

 

In the first class Qi Gong class, we learned about joint loosening, self-massage, 8 brocades qigong, wuji, that's all.

Otherwise, what I do personally:
- allow myself to feel the negative emotions fully

- small mantra to ease suffering
- Hakuin's butter meditation
- Regular breath awareness meditation

- eating nutritious dense foods

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

23 hours ago, Rheor said:

 

In the first class Qi Gong class, we learned about joint loosening, self-massage, 8 brocades qigong, wuji, that's all.

Otherwise, what I do personally:
- allow myself to feel the negative emotions fully

- small mantra to ease suffering
- Hakuin's butter meditation
- Regular breath awareness meditation

- eating nutritious dense foods

Ideally you will want a specific practice to generate the qi you are losing by doing work on others. I would into neigong if I was you.

 

What is Hakuin’s butter meditation btw?

Edited 10 hours ago by -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-

[Rheor]

10 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Ideally you will want a specific practice to generate the qi you are losing by doing work on others. I would into neigong if I was you.

 

What is Hakuin’s butter meditation btw?

https://buddhismnow.com/2015/09/12/zen-sickness-by-zen-master-hakuin/
 

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Imagine that a lump of soft butter, pure in colour and fra­grance and the size and shape of a duck egg, is suddenly placed on the top of your head. As it begins to slowly melt, it imparts an exquisite sensation, moistening and saturating your head within and without. It continues to ooze down, moistening your shoul­ders, elbows, and chest; permeating lungs, diaphragm, liver, stomach, and bowels; moving down the spine through the hips, pelvis, and buttocks.

At that point, all the congestions that have accumulated within the five organs and six viscera, all the aches and pains in the abdomen and other affected parts, will follow the heart as it sinks downward into the lower body. As it does, you will dis­tinctly hear a sound like that of water trickling from a higher to a lower place. It will move lower down through the lower body, suffusing the legs with beneficial warmth, until it reaches the soles of the feet, where it stops.

The student should then repeat the contemplation. As his vital energy flows downward, it gradually fills the lower region of the body, suffusing it with penetrating warmth, making him feel as if he were sitting up to his navel in a hot bath filled with a decoction of rare and fragrant medicinal herbs that have been gathered and infused by a skilled physician.

You can imagine the melted butter also moving through arms and legs, that's what I do.

I often come back to this over and over, this is very helpful. I always regret having stopped doing it when my health takes the wrong turn, I should do it everyday until the rest of my life to be honest.

This is one thing that never aggravated me.

Edited 7 minutes ago by Rheor