Jing and Semen

[Lukks]

Okay so I was reading about the correlation between JING and SEMEN, and I want to make this clear from the start that JING IS NOT SEMEN.

 

I read that JING is what is used to produce SEMEN, and in this case if you practice the internal arts you will have more quality JING which in turn this means that you have a higher quality SEMEN, my question, does this make any sense?

 

I want to ask this for a long time but I wasn't sure if should, but well here we are.

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

Quite correct

[Sahaja]

For me the Nei Yeh captures what is important in cultivation of Jing (essence) It’s probably one of it not  the oldest Daoist texts but what it says seems pretty spot on regarding cultivation with respect to Jing (before things got sexualized by daoists catering to royalty with concubines - in modern terms before they became political consultants)
 

in talking about the Essence (Jing). about qi and the De of having them it says

“The reason you lose it

Is certainly due to worries and happiness, love and anger, desire for profit

If you can leave behind worries and happiness, love and anger, desire for profit

your heart mind then returns to its original nature successfully”

 

.my understanding is that  succumbing to our urges/habits/addictions  burns Jing, applying discipline/willpower (zhi - kidneys) to not succumb builds it. So I would say both sex and looking at our cell phones are a small part of the equation, but it’s a much broader issue and  more fundamental than any one thing.  If one could avoid or reduce the stress of attachments, either desires or aversion, that helps return the Jing towards its original state- stills the Jing. 

 

 

[dwai]

On 12/8/2024 at 1:03 PM, Sahaja said:

.my understanding is that  succumbing to our urges/habits/addictions  burns Jing, applying discipline/willpower (zhi - kidneys) to not succumb builds it. So I would say both sex and looking at our cell phones are a small part of the equation, but it’s a much broader issue and  more fundamental than any one thing.  If one could avoid or reduce the stress of attachments, either desires or aversion, that helps return the Jing towards its original state- stills the Jing. 

 

The Nei Yeh quote you mentioned points to a different approach altogether, imho. Not using willpower but developing a natural release of the mind. Not by force (willpower) but as a result of understanding/realization of the empty nature of those things. 

[Cobie]

On 11/12/2024 at 9:34 PM, dwai said:

… Not using willpower

Willpower usually doesn’t work for me. 

 

On 11/12/2024 at 9:34 PM, dwai said:

but developing a natural release of the mind. Not by force (willpower) but as a result of understanding/realization

This does work for me, 

 

On 11/12/2024 at 9:34 PM, dwai said:

of the empty nature of those things. 

albeit (being from another tradition), I use other words.

 

 

[Sahaja]

For me I seem need to apply willpower initially to escape the  “gravity” ofThe attachment to break the pattern . Once the effects of this gravity are reduced acceptance/emptiness works fine. I think going directly to emptiness for some people might not be realistic and perhaps result in an intellectual delusion. 
 

also another interpretation of returning to original may have a second meaning related to the alchemical process - stilling the Jing process as prep for alchemy. It’s about removing the stresses/attachments  of everyday life so that one can go beyond normal functioning through cultivation of original Jing/qi etc. it’s not just breaking habits it’s about not being distracted or affected  by the stimulus associated with them. In some cases this might require being away from modern society. 

Edited December 13 by Sahaja