Book of Enoch

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

 

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

 

 

Ignore-list

 

Never again.

 

Bye.

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

1 minute ago, Daniel said:

 

Ignore-list

 

Never again.

 

Bye.

 

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

@DanielJust to be clear, I hope you don’t take it personally. I wish you no ill and hope you are doing good.

 

Just some banter

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

But back to topic: why is it that the Ethiopian church is alone in consideting scripture, do you reckon?

[Sanity Check]

17 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

Hmm it is intriguing. I am not sure I agree that it is the intended message of the text, but the nuclear analogy seems reasonable.

 

 

The Tower of Babel might also hint at man's development being lopsided.

 

In terms of God creating division of language to slow scientific progress.

 

There might also be another angle to support this but I can't remember what it was.

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

But back to topic: why is it that the Ethiopian church is alone in consideting scripture, do you reckon?

 

They have the 'real' Ark of the Covenant  too ! 

 

There is a story  that  during Exodus the Jews split  and some went south , eventually to Ethiopia .  Supporting 'evidence' for this is that there was a 'Jewish Settlement'  on Elephantine Island  in the  Nile  ( and some cite that as 'proof' that the Kingdom of Israel was ancient  - but as an be seen in the flow charts for the  borrowing and transference  of 'Diety' , Gods and God names ,  at the beginning of my 'Construction of Judaism ' thread , this offers little proof of much ) . 

 

The thing is ,  errrm .. they just LEFT Egypt after causing ( supposedly ) horrific problems , plagues, infanticide , etc  and had the Egyptian army hot on their tails (only to be drowned in the Red Sea ) .   .. and then a portion of them turned back and said " WE have decided we want to go back to Egypt ." and Egypt said " Well, okay then ... but what about 'Let my people go ! " and that little matter of killing all our firstborn kids ?"

 

Obviously we have to look elsewhere , but its interesting they accept a different reduction of the Bible than the other Jews .

 

We know why the Rabbinical Jews didnt accept it ;

 

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The main reason for Jewish rejection of the book is that it is inconsistent with the teachings of the Torah. From the standpoint of Rabbinic Judaism, the book is considered to be heretical. For example, in 1 Enoch 40:1–10, the angel Phanuel presides over those who repent of sin and are granted eternal life. Some claim that this refers to Jesus Christ, as "Phanuel" translates to "the Face of God".^[b]

 

Another reason for the exclusion of the texts might be the textual nature of several early sections of the book that make use of material from the Torah; for example, 1 En 1 is a midrash of Deuteronomy 33.^[10][c] The content, particularly detailed descriptions of fallen angels, would also be a reason for rejection from the Hebrew canon at this period – as illustrated by the comments of Trypho the Jew when debating with Justin Martyr on this subject: "The utterances of God are holy, but your expositions are mere contrivances, as is plain from what has been explained by you; nay, even blasphemies, for you assert that angels sinned and revolted from God."

 

But their collation of texts , as I have been saying , came from a much later period and was relevant to the situation of trying to create a retrograde Israeli state  as the smaller south Israel  area around Jerusalem wanted to create an Empire that supposedly existed previously, to justify their expansion in to the previously larger northern Judea, now decimated after the conquering , ruling and withdrawal of the Assyrians there .  The south expanded to fill the vacuum in the north .

 

Anyway , this split off that went south was supposedly the Tribe of Dan .   It seems that there where Jews there in the far past , historically .

 

" According to Jewish traveler, Eldad ha-Dani, the Tribe of Dan established their own kingdom in Ethiopia, "They went by way of Egypt further down the upper Nile River and settled in Ethiopia, in East Africa. The Danites were great warriors, and after fighting many battles against native tribes, they established themselves securely, with a kingdom of their own." Marco Polo and Benjamin of Tudela also mention the existence of an Ethiopian Jewish community. "

 

Ethiopian Jews are Biblical, pre-Rabbinic Jews. They have the Torah (Written Law) but not the Talmud (Oral Law).

 

Why ?   Because , of course , another scam is going on here     

 

" It has been proven that they [Ethiopian Jews] actually started out as Christian schismatics. They adopted a form of Old Testament Judaism as a way of rejecting Christianity. So actually, their scripture was originally really just the Christian bible from which the Christian parts were removed.

 

Both the Beta Israel oral traditions and the testimony of their literature offer strong evidence that crucial components in their religious system developed no earlier than the fourteenth or fifteenth century. Beta Israel accounts of their history trace virtually all major elements of their religion to the influence of the originally Christian monks Abba Sabra and Sagga Amiak. Monasticism, purity laws, holidays, literary works and the prayer liturgy are just few of the features credited to these culture heroes. While doubtless a somewhat idealized and condensed view of their role, it finds support in  ...

 

(oh oh ... it got 'archived '        'thread closed for review  '    )

 

[Nungali]

 I could not post the link , its in reddit .

 

 .  So it appears they where not under the influence of Rabbis that said it was an heretical book .

 

Like the Bishop of Canterbury doesnt take orders from the Pope  .   

 

Some Jews did accept it ;

 

"Copies of the earlier sections of 1 Enocoh were preserved among the Dead Sea Scrolls in the Qumran Caves.^[2] They were kept by a Judaic splinter group not aligned with the mainstream Jewish sect of Pharisees. The Book of Enoch, alongside numerous other texts discovered in the caves, is recognized for its substantial variance from Rabbinic Judaism "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch

 

and some didnt;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbinic_Judaism

 

 

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

17 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

The one I use  ( to illustrate this rise of technology surpassing human intelligence   and 'common sense '  ... or  us being collectively used by our own very base drives and desires )  is that of a child ;  he is still a child and  does not understand responsibility or consequence of actions ( wisdom )  but ..... he has found Dad's gun cupboard open .....  whoop-eeee  !  "

 

Someone once compared Faust to the avatar of this age ; how he sold his soul to the devil (technology ) to get whatever he desired , easily ... and it lead to the loss of his soul .  And you dont even have to die to loose your 'soul' first ... as we soon found out :

 

Is this part of the reason esoteric communities are structured as they are?

[Nungali]

I cant answer that question .  Which esopteric communities ? They have varied structure  and are not all the same .  I'm not even sure what an 'esoteric community ' is .

 

I shall penetrate your thought stream ......    

 

" Is this  ( the gun cupboard analogy '  )  why some societies keep their magical technologies secret    ?

 

yes, to an extent .  But the idea is you go through levels , hopefully to develop some /maturity and responsibility ' before you get to the 'other stuff' .

 

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Edited December 13 by Nungali