For the Enlightened: A question

[liminal_luke]

1 hour ago, Daniel said:

@liminal_luke,

 

I smell something good coming from the general direction of @ChiDragon's domain....

 

I don´t read Chinese and am not motivated enough at the moment to use Google translate.  Is ChiDragon cooking up a shrimp stir fry with noodles and lots of garlic and ginger?  Now that just might transcend transcendence!

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, Mark Foote said:

Difficult, difficult—ten bushels of oil hemp spread out on a tree.

 

Inspector Foote?  What is difficult about this?

 

1 hour ago, Mark Foote said:

Easy, easy—on the tips of the hundred grasses

 

What's easy about this?

 

I'm confused.

 

1 hour ago, Mark Foote said:

Usually when I relate this story to people, most of them prefer Lingzhao’s remark for saving energy, and dislike what Old Man Pang and Old Lady Pang said about difficult and easy.

 

I relate to the lack of relating to Layman Pang and his wife.   No joke.

 

 

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, Mark Foote said:

But tell me, what is the most essential place? How is effort applied?

 

Good ones.  Are you asking me?

[Daniel]

2 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

 

I don´t read Chinese and am not motivated enough at the moment to use Google translate.  Is ChiDragon cooking up a shrimp stir fry with noodles and lots of garlic and ginger?  Now that just might transcend transcendence!

 

All of that is perfectly Kosher on the nose.  Smells delicious.

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, doc benway said:

I'll bite.

 

TY

 

1 hour ago, doc benway said:

Transcending transcendence for me is to go beyond the conceptual, to go beyond metaphors, descriptions, even God.

Not recalling the past or planning the future, not changing anything at all in this present moment is the view, the meditation, and the conduct. The immediacy and vividness of this very moment is authentic, unfabricated, and unbounded, full of potential; and yet nothing can be said about it that does not try to define or reduce it to something our conceptual mind can grasp. However we try to describe it is not it, that's why it is often described as unimputable.

The only way to do it justice is .... shhhh.... leave everything be just as it is and simply be just as you are.

Nothing can be added or taken away from this present moment.

 

May I ask a clarifying question?

 

Spoiler

How is that different than transcendence?

 

[stirling]

10 hours ago, Daniel said:

What is transcending transcendence?

 

What is a gateless gate? 

 

Nowhere to go, nothing to do. 

 

Quote

 “Just this is it.” - Yunyan

 

[Daniel]

@Maddie,

 

Please, why should I define this word for you?  That doesn't feel right to me.  You get to choose what the word means to you.  That's why it's your answer. 

 

For those that don't know what the word means, using context, is best.  That way the individual is choosing what is significant to them.  They are choosing their words, their definitions.  Otherwise I'm telling them, and everyone else who reads this thread that they MUST adopt MY definition.   I don't like that idea. 

 

Furthermore, in my experience, those who belly-ache over definitions rarely have good intentions regarding communicating with me.  

 

 

[Maddie]

13 minutes ago, Daniel said:

@Maddie,

 

Please, why should I define this word for you?  That doesn't feel right to me.  You get to choose what the word means to you.  That's why it's your answer. 

 

For those that don't know what the word means, using context, is best.  That way the individual is choosing what is significant to them.  They are choosing their words, their definitions.  Otherwise I'm telling them, and everyone else who reads this thread that they MUST adopt MY definition.   I don't like that idea. 

 

Furthermore, in my experience, those who belly-ache over definitions rarely have good intentions regarding communicating with me.  

 

 

 

If you don't want to answer I'll just let it go 

[Daniel]

56 minutes ago, stirling said:

What is a gateless gate? 

 

open

[Daniel]

17 minutes ago, Maddie said:

 

If you don't want to answer I'll just let it go 

 

I want to, but, I don't know how without influencing the answers in a negative way.  

[Daniel]

57 minutes ago, stirling said:

Nowhere to go, nothing to do. 

 

You have my sympathy

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, liminal_luke said:

@Daniel  I´m an inveterate peeker.

 

Ah.  Thank you.  I have edited the post.  LINK

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

@Daniel I know I am on your ignore list. Despite of this, I also know you read every single comment of mine. Genuine question. What is your motivation for being here?

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

What is a gateless gate?

 

The first koan I learned.

 

Also the password on my wifi-hotspot.

 

[Maddie]

4 minutes ago, Daniel said:

 

I want to, but, I don't know how without influencing the answers in a negative way.  

 

tran·scend·ence

/tran(t)ˈsendəns/

noun

existence or experience beyond the normal or physical level.

"the possibility of spiritual transcendence in the modern world"

 

tran·scend

/tran(t)ˈsend/

verb

gerund or present participle: transcending

be or go beyond the range or limits of (something abstract, typically a conceptual field or division).

"this was an issue transcending the tech space and reaching other corners of society"

 

one is a verb, the other is a noun, but it's the same word. Therefore it's really meaningless. 

[stirling]

3 minutes ago, Daniel said:

The first koan I learned.

 

Also the password on my wifi-hotspot.

 

 

Learned might be an exaggeration. Read, perhaps?  If you had learned it you wouldn't feel the need to extend your sympathy to me. 

 

I do HOPE you learn it. _/\_ 

[liminal_luke]

1 hour ago, Daniel said:

 

You have my sympathy

 

@stirling doesn´t have my sympathy.  He may have "nowhere to go, nothing to do" but I don´t think he´s sitting around on a Saturday night drinking too much red wine and watching reruns of The Price is Right.

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

 

What is a gateless gate? 

 

Nowhere to go, nothing to do. 

 

 

 

Nope.  That a cage, dude 

[stirling]

Just now, liminal_luke said:

@stirling doesn´t have my sympathy.  He may have "nowhere to go, nothing to do" but I don´t think he´s sitting around on a Saturday night drinking too much red wine and watching reruns of The Price is Right.

 

Sometimes I do that, but rarely on a Saturday, and I'm generally out with friends. No "Price is Right", though... recently it's been "What We Do in the Shadows".

[Sir Darius the Clairvoyent]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

What is a gateless gate? 

To me, it is a paradox.

[stirling]

2 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Nope.  That a cage, dude 

 

Someone might need to define "transcend transcendence" for you.

[liminal_luke]

1 hour ago, Sir Darius the Clairvoyent said:

To me, it is a paradox.

 

All good things are.

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

 

What is a gateless gate? 

 

Nowhere to go, nothing to do. 

 

 

 

Let me help you,

 

A gateless-gate:  do it, or not.  It's open.  There's no gate.  The door is off the hinges.

 

 

 

[Daniel]

1 minute ago, liminal_luke said:

 

All good things are.

 

Bittersweet 

[Daniel]

2 minutes ago, stirling said:

 

Someone might need to define "transcend transcendence" for you.

 

What's stopping you?