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[Sinai]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

The story of Li Hongzhi is pretty educational in terms of what happens to a very public and in-demand teacher who doesn't charge for his teachings.  We are told that the commies went after him because they couldn't tolerate anyone competing with them in popularity.  What really happened though was, thousands of qigong masters from all over China petitioned the government to clamp down on him because he was undermining their livelihood -- and that's how the persecutions of Falun Dafa really started.  Chinese government, which for a while has been investing in and promoting "legacy" arts to the point of having its mastodons merge with the establishment (as these things always go with whatever is promoted centrally) didn't want to undermine its own endeavors -- and of course went along and then some (the going overboard part is also business as usual with governments).  

 

Wang Liping was not someone to overlook the lesson.  And I have it on good authority that his prices are dictated by the Chinese government, by the way.  He lived in a tiny one-room apartment with his family for most of his adult life (and poorer than that when younger), and IMO anyone begrudging him better circumstances in his old age is no taoist material.

@Taomeow You are truly right, I am with you
but in comparison to Master Mantak chia, Michael Winn, Damo Mitchell and authenticneigong, as far as i know them, master wang liping prices are still a little expensive, also i don't begrudging master wang liping, he is a very great master and i love him, thanks for the clarification

[Sinai]

3 hours ago, Taomeow said:

The story of Li Hongzhi is pretty educational in terms of what happens to a very public and in-demand teacher who doesn't charge for his teachings.  We are told that the commies went after him because they couldn't tolerate anyone competing with them in popularity.  What really happened though was, thousands of qigong masters from all over China petitioned the government to clamp down on him because he was undermining their livelihood -- and that's how the persecutions of Falun Dafa really started.  Chinese government, which for a while has been investing in and promoting "legacy" arts to the point of having its mastodons merge with the establishment (as these things always go with whatever is promoted centrally) didn't want to undermine its own endeavors -- and of course went along and then some (the going overboard part is also business as usual with governments).  

 

Wang Liping was not someone to overlook the lesson.  And I have it on good authority that his prices are dictated by the Chinese government, by the way.  He lived in a tiny one-room apartment with his family for most of his adult life (and poorer than that when younger), and IMO anyone begrudging him better circumstances in his old age is no taoist material.         

@Taomeow But i don't think it is dictated by Communist Party of China, you sure about that ?

[Sinai]

3 hours ago, Taomeow said:

and IMO anyone begrudging him better circumstances in his old age is no taoist material.    

@Taomeow what do you mean by this ? Could you please explain ?

[Neirong]

6 hours ago, Sinai said:

so what? go and check the other masters, he trained for free and got the methods for free from 2 of his lineage holders, who said should i waste money for a few days which takes years to accumulate

 

Where did you get the idea that he trained for free?

In Asian cultures, effort is valued above talent. Money is equivalent to effort and commitment. Your expectation that someone will work with you for free seems to be one of the reasons you can't find what you're looking for.

I once made a free course, and 90% of the participants didn't bother to show the minimum amount of respect for the teachings and practices given, and didn't even respond.

When you open your doors to the public without requiring commitment, or share your teachings via "free PDFs" online, many negative things can happen. Over time, this can lead to the complete destruction and corruption of teachings.

So it is not a merit to go around and "share knowledge with broad audience" and do it for free. In actuality, without proper methodology and guidance, without proper prerequisites and exams, all that will spread is profanation, and delusion.

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

49 minutes ago, Neirong said:

 

When you open your doors to the public without requiring commitment, or share your teachings via "free PDFs" online, many negative things can happen. Over time, this can lead to the complete destruction and corruption of teachings.

So it is not a merit to go around and "share knowledge with broad audience" and do it for free. In actuality, without proper methodology and guidance, without proper prerequisites and exams, all that will spread is profanation, and delusion.

I found a free Wang Liping pdf online once and it made my vision turn red.

 

10/10 would risk blindness again

 

(jk kids, learn properly from a teacher)

[Sinai]

2 hours ago, Neirong said:

 

Where did you get the idea that he trained for free?

In Asian cultures, effort is valued above talent. Money is equivalent to effort and commitment. Your expectation that someone will work with you for free seems to be one of the reasons you can't find what you're looking for.

I once made a free course, and 90% of the participants didn't bother to show the minimum amount of respect for the teachings and practices given, and didn't even respond.

When you open your doors to the public without requiring commitment, or share your teachings via "free PDFs" online, many negative things can happen. Over time, this can lead to the complete destruction and corruption of teachings.

So it is not a merit to go around and "share knowledge with broad audience" and do it for free. In actuality, without proper methodology and guidance, without proper prerequisites and exams, all that will spread is profanation, and delusion.

sir, @Neirong my friend, I agree with you—it's not about wanting something for free. Who said I expect a lineage holder to offer me teachings without compensation? Who said I want Master Wang Liping to teach me for free? What I need is the opportunity to speak with him, to explain my situation. You may not know this, but in my country, our currency is one of the weakest in the world. Do you realize how difficult it is to save $5,000? It takes years of hard work and saving every penny without spending even a cent, it is equivalent of a full house Mortgage. Yet, I struggle with the idea that money should outweigh talent, urgency, or the needs of those who are less fortunate. In the Southern Shaolin tradition, for example, they help those in need—not only do they waive tuition fees, but they also offer support. This is the spirit I deeply respect and believe in.

[Sinai]

2 hours ago, Neirong said:

Your expectation that someone will work with you for free seems to be one of the reasons you can't find what you're looking for.

Being stubborn with prejudice ruins the solution, it is master wang to decide he want to teach me or not. to help me or not.

[Taomeow]

6 hours ago, Sinai said:

@TaomeowI know Li Hongzhi, i love him so much, where is he now ? about wang liping i will talk about it later, i love him and respect him so much but if he can get talented ones as his senior he become very popular

 

Alas, I don't know where Li Hongzhi is.  Last I heard he was in the US, but I've been out of the loop for a long time. 

 

5 hours ago, Sinai said:

@Taomeow But i don't think it is dictated by Communist Party of China, you sure about that ?

  

 No, I'm not sure.  It's just something an organizer of his seminars abroad told me.

 

As for your question about what I mean when I say that anyone begrudging a master his improved circumstances is no taoist material:

The tradition, with the free of charge instruction, has always been only applied to one-on-one interactions, a student taught for free was chosen carefully and the relationship always implied (though never openly demanded) family-like obligations on the part of the student later.  The student typically supported the master in his/her old age -- often fully if they didn't have children of their own (and if they did, that's who they taught for free, and seldom anyone else.)  So asking a master to instruct you just because you're talented means you're asking him for something non-taoist and non-traditional unless you are planning on taking on a son-like role in his life later and covering his living expenses.  Just as he did for his old masters.