teacher Wang Liping Contact

[Sinai]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

The story of Li Hongzhi is pretty educational in terms of what happens to a very public and in-demand teacher who doesn't charge for his teachings.  We are told that the commies went after him because they couldn't tolerate anyone competing with them in popularity.  What really happened though was, thousands of qigong masters from all over China petitioned the government to clamp down on him because he was undermining their livelihood -- and that's how the persecutions of Falun Dafa really started.  Chinese government, which for a while has been investing in and promoting "legacy" arts to the point of having its mastodons merge with the establishment (as these things always go with whatever is promoted centrally) didn't want to undermine its own endeavors -- and of course went along and then some (the going overboard part is also business as usual with governments).  

 

Wang Liping was not someone to overlook the lesson.  And I have it on good authority that his prices are dictated by the Chinese government, by the way.  He lived in a tiny one-room apartment with his family for most of his adult life (and poorer than that when younger), and IMO anyone begrudging him better circumstances in his old age is no taoist material.

@Taomeow You are truly right, I am with you
but in comparison to Master Mantak chia, Michael Winn, Damo Mitchell and authenticneigong, as far as i know them, master wang liping prices are still a little expensive, also i don't begrudging master wang liping, he is a very great master and i love him, thanks for the clarification

[Sinai]

3 hours ago, Taomeow said:

The story of Li Hongzhi is pretty educational in terms of what happens to a very public and in-demand teacher who doesn't charge for his teachings.  We are told that the commies went after him because they couldn't tolerate anyone competing with them in popularity.  What really happened though was, thousands of qigong masters from all over China petitioned the government to clamp down on him because he was undermining their livelihood -- and that's how the persecutions of Falun Dafa really started.  Chinese government, which for a while has been investing in and promoting "legacy" arts to the point of having its mastodons merge with the establishment (as these things always go with whatever is promoted centrally) didn't want to undermine its own endeavors -- and of course went along and then some (the going overboard part is also business as usual with governments).  

 

Wang Liping was not someone to overlook the lesson.  And I have it on good authority that his prices are dictated by the Chinese government, by the way.  He lived in a tiny one-room apartment with his family for most of his adult life (and poorer than that when younger), and IMO anyone begrudging him better circumstances in his old age is no taoist material.         

@Taomeow But i don't think it is dictated by Communist Party of China, you sure about that ?

[Sinai]

3 hours ago, Taomeow said:

and IMO anyone begrudging him better circumstances in his old age is no taoist material.    

@Taomeow what do you mean by this ? Could you please explain ?

[Neirong]

6 hours ago, Sinai said:

so what? go and check the other masters, he trained for free and got the methods for free from 2 of his lineage holders, who said should i waste money for a few days which takes years to accumulate

 

Where did you get the idea that he trained for free?

In Asian cultures, effort is valued above talent. Money is equivalent to effort and commitment. Your expectation that someone will work with you for free seems to be one of the reasons you can't find what you're looking for.

I once made a free course, and 90% of the participants didn't bother to show the minimum amount of respect for the teachings and practices given, and didn't even respond.

When you open your doors to the public without requiring commitment, or share your teachings via "free PDFs" online, many negative things can happen. Over time, this can lead to the complete destruction and corruption of teachings.

So it is not a merit to go around and "share knowledge with broad audience" and do it for free. In actuality, without proper methodology and guidance, without proper prerequisites and exams, all that will spread is profanation, and delusion.

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49 minutes ago, Neirong said:

 

When you open your doors to the public without requiring commitment, or share your teachings via "free PDFs" online, many negative things can happen. Over time, this can lead to the complete destruction and corruption of teachings.

So it is not a merit to go around and "share knowledge with broad audience" and do it for free. In actuality, without proper methodology and guidance, without proper prerequisites and exams, all that will spread is profanation, and delusion.

I found a free Wang Liping pdf online once and it made my vision turn red.

 

10/10 would risk blindness again

 

(jk kids, learn properly from a teacher)

[Sinai]

2 hours ago, Neirong said:

 

Where did you get the idea that he trained for free?

In Asian cultures, effort is valued above talent. Money is equivalent to effort and commitment. Your expectation that someone will work with you for free seems to be one of the reasons you can't find what you're looking for.

I once made a free course, and 90% of the participants didn't bother to show the minimum amount of respect for the teachings and practices given, and didn't even respond.

When you open your doors to the public without requiring commitment, or share your teachings via "free PDFs" online, many negative things can happen. Over time, this can lead to the complete destruction and corruption of teachings.

So it is not a merit to go around and "share knowledge with broad audience" and do it for free. In actuality, without proper methodology and guidance, without proper prerequisites and exams, all that will spread is profanation, and delusion.

sir, @Neirong my friend, I agree with you—it's not about wanting something for free. Who said I expect a lineage holder to offer me teachings without compensation? Who said I want Master Wang Liping to teach me for free? What I need is the opportunity to speak with him, to explain my situation. You may not know this, but in my country, our currency is one of the weakest in the world. Do you realize how difficult it is to save $5,000? It takes years of hard work and saving every penny without spending even a cent, it is equivalent of a full house Mortgage. Yet, I struggle with the idea that money should outweigh talent, urgency, or the needs of those who are less fortunate. In the Southern Shaolin tradition, for example, they help those in need—not only do they waive tuition fees, but they also offer support. This is the spirit I deeply respect and believe in.

[Sinai]

2 hours ago, Neirong said:

Your expectation that someone will work with you for free seems to be one of the reasons you can't find what you're looking for.

Being stubborn with prejudice ruins the solution, it is master wang to decide he want to teach me or not. to help me or not.

[Taomeow]

6 hours ago, Sinai said:

@TaomeowI know Li Hongzhi, i love him so much, where is he now ? about wang liping i will talk about it later, i love him and respect him so much but if he can get talented ones as his senior he become very popular

 

Alas, I don't know where Li Hongzhi is.  Last I heard he was in the US, but I've been out of the loop for a long time. 

 

5 hours ago, Sinai said:

@Taomeow But i don't think it is dictated by Communist Party of China, you sure about that ?

  

 No, I'm not sure.  It's just something an organizer of his seminars abroad told me.

 

As for your question about what I mean when I say that anyone begrudging a master his improved circumstances is no taoist material:

The tradition, with the free of charge instruction, has always been only applied to one-on-one interactions, a student taught for free was chosen carefully and the relationship always implied (though never openly demanded) family-like obligations on the part of the student later.  The student typically supported the master in his/her old age -- often fully if they didn't have children of their own (and if they did, that's who they taught for free, and seldom anyone else.)  So asking a master to instruct you just because you're talented means you're asking him for something non-taoist and non-traditional unless you are planning on taking on a son-like role in his life later and covering his living expenses.  Just as he did for his old masters.        

 

 

[Neirong]

On 25.01.2025 at 5:16 AM, Sinai said:

it is equivalent of a full house Mortgage

Well, you are lucky and living in a good place, if you can get a full house Mortgage for 5000$.

 

On 25.01.2025 at 5:16 AM, Sinai said:

Yet, I struggle with the idea that money should outweigh talent, urgency, or the needs of those who are less fortunate.

Where is this urgency coming from? I have already tried to help you, but you don’t seem to listen or hear. I am not someone who gets easily offended, but I do notice a rude and disrespectful attitude.

 

On 25.01.2025 at 5:16 AM, Sinai said:

In the Southern Shaolin tradition, for example, they help those in need—not only do they waive tuition fees, but they also offer support. This is the spirit I deeply respect and believe in.

You respect taking things for free/granted, but don't respect giving anything back?
 

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Master Wang himself trained with the 16th and 17th generations of his lineage without such high costs, as described in books like Daoist Internal Mastery and Opening the Dragon Gate.

So, do you believe everything written in a book? Does a book automatically equal truth?
 

If someone writes that they are a god-sent human with immortal, divine knowledge taught by three holy saints who materialized out of nowhere to teach them for free, all because they are the chosen one, born once in 10,000 years, would you believe that too?
 

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share the syllabus or lessons you learned from Master Wang Liping’s retreats and practices

It is unethical to share such information or even to ask for it. Teaching within any system or school should be conducted in a proper setting, step by step. Knowing only some of the steps can cause harm and offers no real benefit without understanding the entire process.

If you learn something from a closed system without formal permission or approval from the masters (essentially by stealing), you could also be cursed, sometimes automatically.
 

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even guide me as a student. I am ready to follow any instruction you give

I am teaching and guiding a few people in cultivation and magic arts, but I would not accept you into our school, even if you paid the entrance fee.

[johndoe2012]

There are many free teachings, just not the one you want. 

 

Usually when you want something too much you push it away or push other things away there are more appropriate for you. 

 

The Divine is already giving you what you need, recognize it and you will achieve peace and move forward. 

 

 

[ragune]

Daoist teachers retiring?

 

In December Damo Mitchell has announced that he has retired from teaching life: https://lotusneigong.com/live-events/

 

Similarily Nathan Brine has semi-retired as told his community in December that he is often "off the grid" for a while and hands over the online contacts/communication to Brooks Snyder, a student of him:

"As I don't spend much time online and often find myself off-grid, I asked Brooks to help out. Now it's official. I still keep an eye on the questions, and when I feel it's important to comment, I will."

In personal communication he stated: "I don't have any plans to travel and teach at the moment, but one never knows what the future holds."

Jefferey James from Texas has a small group of students teaching personally, but has not updated his online videos since 2022:

Only good old Mantak Chia even now being in his 80ies is still doing his "world tour": https://www.mantakchia.com/event/full-schedule/

But the question is: How reliable and effective is it, if you want to learn online? And is it possible for anybody outside the US or Canada to find a personal instructor? This possibility seems meagre to me.

My advice thus: If you are young, learn Chinese, go to Asia (including Taiwan, Hong Kong etc) and ask around for a teacher, invest a few years and you might find the right person.

If you are really, really, really lucky, you might even find a teacher who does not make a living from his

teachings, like being a doctor or a common householder, who is reluctant to take students even. But nowadays you will find mostly those who teach to generate an income. The others do not want to be found.

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23 minutes ago, ragune said:

How reliable and effective is it, if you want to learn online?

 

Very, just depends how much work you put in yourself

 

 

23 minutes ago, ragune said:

And is it possible for anybody outside the US or Canada to find a personal instructor?

Yes

[ragune]

Right.

[Sinai]

On 2/1/2025 at 2:25 AM, ragune said:

Daoist teachers retiring?

 

In December Damo Mitchell has announced that he has retired from teaching life: https://lotusneigong.com/live-events/

 

Similarily Nathan Brine has semi-retired as told his community in December that he is often "off the grid" for a while and hands over the online contacts/communication to Brooks Snyder, a student of him:

"As I don't spend much time online and often find myself off-grid, I asked Brooks to help out. Now it's official. I still keep an eye on the questions, and when I feel it's important to comment, I will."

In personal communication he stated: "I don't have any plans to travel and teach at the moment, but one never knows what the future holds."

Jefferey James from Texas has a small group of students teaching personally, but has not updated his online videos since 2022:

Only good old Mantak Chia even now being in his 80ies is still doing his "world tour": https://www.mantakchia.com/event/full-schedule/

But the question is: How reliable and effective is it, if you want to learn online? And is it possible for anybody outside the US or Canada to find a personal instructor? This possibility seems meagre to me.

My advice thus: If you are young, learn Chinese, go to Asia (including Taiwan, Hong Kong etc) and ask around for a teacher, invest a few years and you might find the right person.

If you are really, really, really lucky, you might even find a teacher who does not make a living from his

teachings, like being a doctor or a common householder, who is reluctant to take students even. But nowadays you will find mostly those who teach to generate an income. The others do not want to be found.

Okay i have these 2 websites from master wang liping but none of them answered back:

http://www.dragongateacademy.com/contact

https://dragongate-academy.org/#e91f395c-6f94-49f5-ae51-5c05cf09b390

i hope it helps you

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[Sinai]

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[Antares]

18 hours ago, Sinai said:

Jefferey James from Texas

 

To me it looks like qigong. If you use your Yi to lead Qi it is not neidan approach. Also he talks about post heaven elements.

Mantak Chia is qigong "master" too. Wang Liping? IMHO, it is better to engage yourself in Yiquan or Taiji, and you will benefit more

[Sinai]

9 hours ago, Antares said:

 

To me it looks like qigong. If you use your Yi to lead Qi it is not neidan approach. Also he talks about post heaven elements.

Mantak Chia is qigong "master" too. Wang Liping? IMHO, it is better to engage yourself in Yiquan or Taiji, and you will benefit more

@Antares thank you my friend

[Sinai]

On 1/30/2025 at 11:21 AM, Neirong said:

Well, you are lucky and living in a good place, if you can get a full house Mortgage for 5000$.

 

Where is this urgency coming from? I have already tried to help you, but you don’t seem to listen or hear. I am not someone who gets easily offended, but I do notice a rude and disrespectful attitude.

 

You respect taking things for free/granted, but don't respect giving anything back?
 

So, do you believe everything written in a book? Does a book automatically equal truth?
 

If someone writes that they are a god-sent human with immortal, divine knowledge taught by three holy saints who materialized out of nowhere to teach them for free, all because they are the chosen one, born once in 10,000 years, would you believe that too?
 

It is unethical to share such information or even to ask for it. Teaching within any system or school should be conducted in a proper setting, step by step. Knowing only some of the steps can cause harm and offers no real benefit without understanding the entire process.

If you learn something from a closed system without formal permission or approval from the masters (essentially by stealing), you could also be cursed, sometimes automatically.
 

I am teaching and guiding a few people in cultivation and magic arts, but I would not accept you into our school, even if you paid the entrance fee.

I appreciate your perspective, but I believe there’s a misunderstanding. My point was not about getting something for free, but rather about making knowledge accessible to those who are sincere in their pursuit but may lack financial means. Many great traditions, including Shaolin and Daoist lineages, have historically supported dedicated students in ways that go beyond simple transactions.

I also recognize that not everything written in books is truth, but historical accounts and firsthand experiences can still offer valuable insights. Healthy skepticism is important, but so is an open mind.

Regarding sharing teachings, I understand and respect the ethical considerations. My intention was not to take without permission but to understand more about a path that deeply interests me. I believe genuine seekers should approach these traditions with sincerity, humility, and dedication.

If your school or lineage is not open to me, I respect that decision. However, I hope that we can still exchange ideas in a way that fosters mutual growth rather than opposition.

[Sinai]

why everyone are so quiet ?

[Chang dao ling]

I think authentic neigong and lotusneigong are best for you bro. Forgot about Wang liping. 

[Master Logray]

@Sinai  Frankly a retreat cannot teach you much but that alone costs Usd5000.    So a fuller course, if there is one, would be at least 10 times more plus plane tickets, hotels and a lot of other expenses.   Asking for free teaching from such this type teacher/disciples would be futile.  The teaching probably won't be handled by WLP himself as he is old and possibly unable teach in English. 

 

From your earlier messages, it seems you have problems to be presented to WLP, rather than purely love the Tao.   This makes you not a worthy candidate to be an indoor disciple at such late stage in his life.

 

If WLP is a genuine high achiever in cultivation; and he is able to teach (question mark);  and teach continually for another 1-20 years; and you have sufficient command of Chinese; and possess the dedication, time and resources, and the abilities to learn, and willing to sacrifice your career/relationships/life styles etc,  with these conditions met, then even Usd50,000 or more could be worthwhile.   If not, better look for alternatives.

 

 

 

[Sinai]

3 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

I think authentic neigong and lotusneigong are best for you bro. Forgot about Wang liping. 

i am in authentic neigong my friend, i love Rudi so much, he is a very nice teacher

 

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[Sinai]

1 hour ago, Master Logray said:

@Sinai  Frankly a retreat cannot teach you much but that alone costs Usd5000.    So a fuller course, if there is one, would be at least 10 times more plus plane tickets, hotels and a lot of other expenses.   Asking for free teaching from such this type teacher/disciples would be futile.  The teaching probably won't be handled by WLP himself as he is old and possibly unable teach in English. 

 

From your earlier messages, it seems you have problems to be presented to WLP, rather than purely love the Tao.   This makes you not a worthy candidate to be an indoor disciple at such late stage in his life.

 

If WLP is a genuine high achiever in cultivation; and he is able to teach (question mark);  and teach continually for another 1-20 years; and you have sufficient command of Chinese; and possess the dedication, time and resources, and the abilities to learn, and willing to sacrifice your career/relationships/life styles etc,  with these conditions met, then even Usd50,000 or more could be worthwhile.   If not, better look for alternatives.

@Master Logray My dear friend,  I appreciate your insights, though I believe my intentions may have been misunderstood. My interest in Taoism is not merely about seeking solutions to personal problems, but rather a deep appreciation for its wisdom and a desire to integrate it into my life, also i must learn the Practices of Three Transcendence and only Wang Liping and/or his Senior Students can teach me that (as far as i know, hope i find any alternatives), please go to Page 1 of this Thread and read fully The practices and practice Names and what they do, there are 45 Methods fully based on oral teachings of Lingbao bifa of Lu Dongbin. I love to Join with the Dao, that's my Final goal, but for that i need the corresponding Methods too, also I am aware that becoming an indoor disciple requires significant dedication, commitment, and resources. My aspiration is to pursue this path with sincerity and respect for the tradition. While I understand the challenges and prerequisites involved, I am committed to investing the necessary time and effort to cultivate authentic understanding.

I fully acknowledge that true cultivation requires time, dedication, and significant commitment, and I respect the level of seriousness you emphasize. However, my goal is not only to become an indoor disciple at this stage, but to find the most authentic and effective way to study and practice Taoist teachings which will lead to enlightenment.

While I understand that high-level teachings often come with significant costs and prerequisites, I am open to exploring different avenues that align with my current situation. If you have any recommendations for authentic sources or experienced teachers who may be more accessible, I would sincerely appreciate your guidance

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[Chang dao ling]

Check this website 

https://www.sanctuaryoftao.org/store

[Sinai]

On 2/5/2025 at 11:29 PM, Chang dao ling said:

Check this website 

https://www.sanctuaryoftao.org/store

i know him, well it can not be replaced about what i want but thanks anyway, the inner student class is closed unfortunately

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