Transcendence vs Integration

[old3bob]

 

Some karma can be described/felt (per an analogy) like rusty flakes of iron and iron (or the soul that it is covered with it will be pulled via a magnetic like field effect, (so to speak) until there is no iron left, also and at times a great master can hep by temporality holding karma in way so that a student can get a break and a moment of freedom/inspiration away from the weight.

Edited yesterday at 03:55 AM by old3bob

[forestofclarity]

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but the initial model sounds like it is dividing ultimate truth from relative truth, and seems to be describing a classic Samkhya, renunciate approach. Relative practices are often important, and this would include various forms of healing, therapy, integration, etc. But over time, the relative practices become less necessary as one's center of gravity shifts away from the relative self to a more open spacious awareness. This is not a state of inactive passivity but a state of spontaneous action. And the shift itself need not be forced, it just happens.

 

One issue is that people often overestimate their development tend to abandon the relative practices too quick, which some teachers describe as premature immaculation. 

[doc benway]

1 hour ago, forestofclarity said:

One issue is that people often overestimate their development tend to abandon the relative practices too quick, which some teachers describe as premature immaculation.

 

I must say that this is one of the best things I've read in some time.

Thank you @forestofclarity for that delightful metaphor!

[Bindi]

7 hours ago, forestofclarity said:

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but the initial model sounds like it is dividing ultimate truth from relative truth, and seems to be describing a classic Samkhya, renunciate approach. Relative practices are often important, and this would include various forms of healing, therapy, integration, etc. But over time, the relative practices become less necessary as one's center of gravity shifts away from the relative self to a more open spacious awareness. This is not a state of inactive passivity but a state of spontaneous action. And the shift itself need not be forced, it just happens.

 

My personal version of an integrative model approaches ‘spirituality’ and ultimate truth from an entirely different perspective. Relative practices are the work, a shift away from the relative self would be a shift away from integrative potential. The shift that does happen after many years of relative work is into a deeper more powerful consciousness within the body and the sense of self, equivalent to a shift into the central channel. This then becomes the stage for a different, more ‘energised’ level of relative work, which still addresses and works with emotions and thoughts (that weren’t sorted in the initial relative work, ie. underlying karma). These three consciousnesses, emotional mental and ‘energetic’, then align in the centre of the body in a central ‘dantian’, which aligns them with the soul or original self in the causal body, which can be seen as a fourth consciousness. The relative consciousnesses, purified and ‘upgraded’ through this work, are in direct communication and alignment with the deepest embodied Self, which is itself aligned with whatever is beyond one as an individual. Four consciousnesses, which all play a vital role in one’s life, and are all in direct communication with each other, in effect a team, headed by the fourth consciousness. 

 

7 hours ago, forestofclarity said:

 

One issue is that people often overestimate their development tend to abandon the relative practices too quick, which some teachers describe as premature immaculation. 

In an integrative model there is no possibility of abandoning relative practices too quick since relative practices are the work. 

[Cobie]

The truth is simple.