Transcendence vs Integration

[forestofclarity]

From the Mahamudra Aspiration Prayer, trans McLeod:

 

It doesn’t exist: even buddhas do not see it.

It doesn’t not exist: it is the basis of samsara and nirvana.

No contradiction: the middle way is union.

May I know the pure being of mind, free of extremes.

 

[old3bob]

Ok, I'll trade some quotes:

 

Chap 21, T.T.C.

IT lies in the nature of Grand Virtue
To follow the Tao and the Tao alone.
Now what is the Tao?
It is Something elusive and evasive.
Evasive and elusive!
And yet It contains within Itself a Form.
Elusive and evasive!
And yet It contains within Itself a Substance.
Shadowy and dim!
And yet It contains within Itself a Core of Vitality.
The Core of Vitality is very real,
It contains within Itself an unfailing Sincerity.
Throughout the ages Its Name has been preserved
In order to recall the Beginning of all things.
How do I know the ways of all things at the Beginning?
By what is within me.

 

 

[Lairg]

On 12/26/2024 at 12:56 PM, Bindi said:

• • The end goal is to transcend the self, including thoughts, emotions, and personal identity, in order to merge with the absolute, the divine, or universal consciousness. .....
• Transcendence of Emotional and Mental Layers:
  • Once one achieves the awakening or realization of nonduality, the emotional and mental layers are no longer part of the self in the traditional sense.

 

Most of the humans I know like doing things.      That is somewhat at odds with what the priests taught me about going to heaven to adore god forever - assuming that god wants to be adored.

 

It seems to me merging with the Absolute does not preclude continuing to use a vehicle of incarnation in a useful soul-bearing species.

 

Thus the intelligence is both immersed in The Oneness of All, while working in the outer layers of Reality to assist those that are a bit lost/limited.

 

Transcendence is natural, but useful work within Existence requires simultaneous manifestation of a light body on the relevant level/plane of the target action/relationship.

 

Thus in my experience transcendence does not exclude integration.  There is however an ability to look past the manipulations of humans just as a parent can look past the tantrums of a 2 year old

 

 

 

 

[Bindi]

9 hours ago, old3bob said:

Ok, I'll trade some quotes:

 

Chap 21, T.T.C.

IT lies in the nature of Grand Virtue
To follow the Tao and the Tao alone.
Now what is the Tao?
It is Something elusive and evasive.
Evasive and elusive!
And yet It contains within Itself a Form.
Elusive and evasive!
And yet It contains within Itself a Substance.
Shadowy and dim!
And yet It contains within Itself a Core of Vitality.
The Core of Vitality is very real,
It contains within Itself an unfailing Sincerity.
Throughout the ages Its Name has been preserved
In order to recall the Beginning of all things.
How do I know the ways of all things at the Beginning?
By what is within me.

 

 

This makes me think that by coming to the causal body within me, and perceiving and coming to identify with the original spirit or soul that exists within this level, this is the inner way that leads to alignment with the Dao. 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Bindi

[old3bob]

6 hours ago, Bindi said:

This makes me think that by coming to the causal body within me, and perceiving and coming to identify with the original spirit or soul that exists within this level, this is the inner way that leads to alignment with the Dao. 

 

 

"...Continually the Unnameable moves on,

Until it returns beyond the realm of things..."  from Chap14

 

I'd say that at the same time it never really left (for how could it do so and still Be?!) although it was in a great dream of leaving.