It was invented by Jews

[silent thunder]

3 hours ago, Taomeow said:

Sour cream is a must (one of the improvements on the Chinese original -- China missed that particular train), as is black pepper (and/or very hot mustard which some prefer), but going back to Asia whence they hail -- have you tried them with ponzu or yuzu sauce instead of vinegar?

Absolutely must have the black pepper as well as the SC and vinegar.  The friend who introduced them to me transplanted with his family from Ukraine back in the late 80's and his Mum made them.   I've been chasing that dragon every time I try again to make them to recreate her magick.  I fail every time to match what she had, but it's a very joyful failing!  Incidentally Stan's Mum is the one who opened my eyes to what amazing coffee can be in the right hands.  She's such a gifted cook, her son went on to at one point be the youngest executive chef in NYC in the 90's.

I've never thought to swap out the vinegar for anything else, (as vinegar is one of my most treasured addictions), but now that you mention ponzu and yuzu it seems like a no brainer to widen the horizons.  Thanks for the idea.

And on a side note, that pic you posted of the Oxtail had my son's jaw hanging in his lap and both of us salivating!

Cheers my friend.

[Nungali]

13 hours ago, Apech said:

Did the Chinese invent Marmite (vegemite) or Weetabix?

 

 

Did you miss my Aussie invention list ?

 

( I dont think they invented the power drill either  )

[Nungali]

That  'pelemi' , its a filled 'dumpling'  sort of thingo ?  

 

They have a version of a 'samosa' in Iran - samboosi . My Iranian friend  (and past boss ) told me that his mother used to spend all her time making them and they would have to help , she sold them on a little street cart .  Apparently it made them enough money to escape Iran after  the Islamic takeover  ( previously they had businesses and wealth , but lost it during the revolution )  and get into the refugee stream .

 

One time he decided to put it on the menu  ( for a LARGE crowd ) and got his mum in to help , he informed me  I would be helping her .

Wow ! What a machine , she turned them out like  they where dropping off a conveyor belt  ( once the dough and filling was ready ) .

[Taomeow]

24 minutes ago, Nungali said:

That  'pelemi' , its a filled 'dumpling'  sort of thingo ?  

 

They have a version of a 'samosa' in Iran - samboosi . My Iranian friend  (and past boss ) told me that his mother used to spend all her time making them and they would have to help , she sold them on a little street cart .  Apparently it made them enough money to escape Iran after  the Islamic takeover  ( previously they had businesses and wealth , but lost it during the revolution )  and get into the refugee stream .

 

One time he decided to put it on the menu  ( for a LARGE crowd ) and got his mum in to help , he informed me  I would be helping her .

Wow ! What a machine , she turned them out like  they where dropping off a conveyor belt  ( once the dough and filling was ready ) .

 

It's different, but there's many versions around the same idea.  Pelmeni are valued by their connoisseurs when they are the smallest one can make by hand, but in West Asia and Caucasus region there's also hinkali which are bigger, manti which can be humongous, and so on.  Another similar Russian and Ukrainian staple, vareniki, are bigger than pelmeni and have other kinds of fillings.  My favorite are made with sour cherries, but they can also be stuffed with cottage cheese, potatoes and fried onions, cabbage, or cooked meat (which is not used in pelmeni.)    

[blue eyed snake]

On 11-1-2025 at 9:43 PM, liminal_luke said:

I´ve been in contact with Darius and he asked me to post the following apology for him (with permission from the moderators)...

 

I am sorry. I got carried away and wasn’t thinking clear. In the heat of the moment, so to speak, I didn’t feel like I did anything wrong. The comment by blue eyed snake made me at least start to reconsider tho. 

Happily, luke contacted me by mail, and told me how I came across while remaining really civil about it, and I realize he is correct. I shouldn’t have said any of the things I did. I sincerely apologize to you all. I do not believe anyone are inheritley bad or wrong based on their background.

 

glad to read this,

keep on thinking about this and start a learning curve

[Peaceful Hulk]

Hey hey hey hey...

 

Editing this post.

 

Folks, it was a joke. I'm not spreading anti-semitism or lies. For crying out loud dude. For crying out loud, I just wanna hang out here in peace. I just thought it was okay to joke about that kind of stuff because the title of the thread is about Jewish people being smart. I meant no harm and I meant no offense. Please give me back my posting privileges. I just wanna be here in peace. Please.

Edited Saturday at 11:24 PM by Peaceful Hulk
I gotta make it clear I'm not trolling, I'm not anti-semitic, and that thing was a joke.

[ralis]

1 hour ago, Peaceful Hulk said:

I once read that when it comes to the general population, Jews are the smartest race with East Asians being the second.

 

I'm sure there is truth and validity to that claim, not just in the confines of scientific studies but also in observable results. Asian Americans are known to do better in academics and the workplace than their white counterparts. And then Jews rule the world while being smart enough to hide it.

 

 

Where did you read this? Have you studied Biology, or Genetics? If so, you will learn that race does not exist. There are only 4 bases of DNA, Adenine, Thymine, Guanine, Cytosine, in which evolutionary forces have evolved Homo sapiens. 

[Peaceful Hulk]

4 minutes ago, ralis said:

 

 

Where did you read this? Have you studied Biology, or Genetics? If so, you will learn that race does not exist. There are only 4 bases of DNA, Adenine, Thymine, Guanine, Cytosine, in which evolutionary forces have evolved Homo sapiens. 

 

Okay fine. Race doesn't exist, but ethnic backgrounds do.

[ralis]

1 minute ago, Peaceful Hulk said:

 

Okay fine. Race doesn't exist, but ethnic backgrounds do.

 

You are bordering on anti-Semitism with your remarks. Jews rule the world is a blatant conspiracy theory. 

[Cobie]

 

2 hours ago, Peaceful Hulk said:

… while being smart enough to hide it.

So you give us a conspiracy theory. And we cannot deny it because it’s ‘hidden’. Imo, that’s anti-Semitism.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 11:21 PM by Cobie

[ralis]

2 hours ago, Peaceful Hulk said:

Hey hey hey hey...

 

Editing this post.

 

Folks, it was a joke. I'm not spreading anti-semitism or lies. For crying out loud dude. For crying out loud, I just wanna hang out here in peace. I just thought it was okay to joke about that kind of stuff because the title of the thread is about Jewish people being smart. I meant no harm and I meant no offense. Please give me back my posting privileges. I just wanna be here in peace. Please.

 

Racist remarks which include what you posted are taken seriously by some of us here. Thus the reason for the critiques to your posts. I think one member was recently banned for racist remarks. 

[Cobie]

5 minutes ago, ralis said:

 

Racist remarks which include what you posted are taken seriously by some of us here. Thus the reason for the critiques to your posts. I think one member was recently banned for racist remarks. 

Yes Darius was banned. I was one that reported Darius, probably lots more did.

[ralis]

19 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Yes Darius was banned. I was one that reported Darius, probably lots more did.

 

Thanks for reporting! For years the mods ignored racism even though I reported it many times with very little action on their part. Hopefully, the mods will heed complaints in the future. Strength in numbers!

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Peaceful Hulk said:

Hey hey hey hey...

 

Editing this post.

 

Folks, it was a joke. I'm not spreading anti-semitism or lies. For crying out loud dude. For crying out loud, I just wanna hang out here in peace. I just thought it was okay to joke about that kind of stuff because the title of the thread is about Jewish people being smart. I meant no harm and I meant no offense. Please give me back my posting privileges. I just wanna be here in peace. Please.

 

Looks like you have dealt with that issue yourself  ? 

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, ralis said:

 

 

Where did you read this? Have you studied Biology, or Genetics? If so, you will learn that race does not exist. There are only 4 bases of DNA, Adenine, Thymine, Guanine, Cytosine, in which evolutionary forces have evolved Homo sapiens. 

 

Thats not exactly correct . It does exist as a concept ... according to the National Human Genome Research Institute ; 

 

" Race is a social construct used to group people. Race was constructed as a hierarchal human-grouping system, generating racial classifications to identify, distinguish and marginalize some groups across nations, regions and the world. Race divides human populations into groups often based on physical appearance, social factors and cultural backgrounds. "

 

" Race is a political and social construct that is fluid. Racial categorization can change over time, place, and context. Race has been used historically to establish a social hierarchy, whereby individuals are treated differently resulting in racism. Genomic scientists are currently investigating the relationship between self-identified race and genetic ancestry. There is more genetic variation within self-identified racial groups than between them. I like Professor Audrey Smedley's definition. She states, “Race is a culturally structured systematic definition of a way of looking at perceiving and interpreting reality.”

 

Vence L. Bonham Jr., J.D.

Acting Deputy Director

Office of the Director

 

https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Race

 

it is a 'political and social construct' .

 

"

Race:  A social construct that artificially divides people into distinct groups based on characteristics such as physical appearance (particularly color), ancestral heritage, cultural affiliation, cultural history, ethnic classification, and the social, economic and political needs of a society at a given period of time. Racial categories subsume ethnic groups.

Ethnicity: A social construct that divides people into smaller social groups based on characteristics such as shared sense of group membership, values, behavioral patterns, language, political and economic interests, history and ancestral geographical base.

Examples of different ethnic groups are: Cape Verdean, Haitian, African American (black); Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese (Asian); Cherokee, Mohawk, Navaho (Native American); Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican (Latino); Polish, Irish, and Swedish (white).

Culture: A social system of meaning and custom that is developed by a group of people to assure its adaptation and survival. These groups are distinguished by a set of unspoken rules that shape values, beliefs, habits, patterns of thinking, behaviors and styles of communication."

 

https://subjectguides.lib.neu.edu/diversity/race

 

" Race refers to the social construction and categorization of people based on perceived shared physical traits that result in the maintenance of a sociopolitical hierarchy. The term is also loosely applied to geographic, cultural, religious, or national groups. Self-reported race frequently varies owing to changing social contexts and an individual’s possible identification with more than one race.

Ethnicity is a characterization of people based on having a shared culture (e.g., language, food, music, dress, values, and beliefs) related to common ancestry and shared history."

 

https://www.apa.org/topics/race-ethnicity

 

To make things more complicated, the US Census officially—and perhaps more broadly—uses race for “a person’s self-identification with one or more social groups.”

 

Origins of term  :

 

" The word race was first recorded in this form around 1490–1500. English borrowed race from the French race, which derives in turn from the Italian razza, meaning “kind, breed, lineage.” The deeper roots of razza are obscure. The homonym race, in its sense of a “context of speed,” is unrelated, coming from Old Norse.

 

" The word race originally functioned in English much like the word ethnicity. It simply referred to groups of people connected by a common descent or origin, e.g., the English race, or English people.

 

" By the 1700s, the meaning of race began to change. As European colonialism and imperialism spread, white Europeans used race to sort humans by place of origin as well as skin color, creating the social hierarchy which served as the foundation of slavery. Anthropologists, physiologists, and other writers and thinkers in the late 18th and 19th century—including the likes of Thomas Jefferson—wrongly claimed that characteristics of a person’s race innately determined and justified their social superiority or inferiority to others. Those whose race appeared to be white

 

" Incorrectly believed the color of their skin and other aspects of their appearance meant they were more intelligent, moral, capable—more human, tragically—than those who were not white.

 

" The use of race as a classifier, however, has always been fundamentally flawed because sorting individuals based on their race is an arbitrary practice. Observing a person’s skin color, for example, is not a reliable way to infer a genetic difference or similarity. Rather, skin tone (and hair color) is created by the presence of the pigment melanin."

 

https://www.dictionary.com/e/race-vs-ethnicity/

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)

 

So its 'a thing ' - it does 'exist'  ...    its just a very confused misunderstood  and misused thing .

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, ralis said:

 

You are bordering on anti-Semitism with your remarks. Jews rule the world is a blatant conspiracy theory. 

 

 

I find it curious that many people today see 'Semetic' as Jews . if one supports the Arabs in Gaza  one can be labelled 'anti - Semitic ' .

 

But if I shout ' Palestinians out ! "   I am not labelled 'anti - Semitic '  

 

 

Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group^[2][3][4][5] associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians.

 

 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, ralis said:

 

Racist remarks which include what you posted are taken seriously by some of us here. Thus the reason for the critiques to your posts. I think one member was recently banned for racist remarks. 

 

Ummmmm ... you do know whats going here  ? 

[Nungali]

38 minutes ago, ralis said:

 

Thanks for reporting! For years the mods ignored racism even though I reported it many times with very little action on their part. Hopefully, the mods will heed complaints in the future. Strength in numbers!

 

No, it doesnt look like you know what is going on

 

Spoiler

 Some time back I was 'in trouble' with a particular Mod .  of course, she was being unreasonable and 'covering up ' . I pointed it out , of course getting myself unpopular with the then team .

 

I was complaining about a wack job crazy Fed up racist Nazi poster  (IMO ) and nothing happened . So I took matters  into my own hand . Of course I was the one that got 'modded for that ' . Eventually he got banned - permanently .

 

Then he is back doing the same thing again under a different ID . More than one member detected it and complained  about it .

 

That particular moderators response ?  Something like ; " people that are banned and have returned under a different identiy will be watched much closer ! "

 

I could not believe that !  I had to post ; " So its mod policy now that if you are banned and cant figure out a way to get back in ... tough titties , but if you are banned and do figure out a way to get back in , and we know it , you can stay but you will be watched closely  ?  Seriously .     Of course my question was not answered , just diverted and suggested I was a trouble maker .

 

This was not from the current mod team though .  But still , I have never had a clear answer to my question . 

 

So I am surprised your protests have been ignored .

 

- do you realize what is going on yet ?

 

[ralis]

@Nungali

 

Anti-Semitism is used in a very specific context in my posts which means anyone posting racist negative remarks against Jews! Further, I was positing from a scientific point of view regarding biological evolutionary processes and not from social constructs.

 

Herbert Spencer’s so called “survival of the fittest” has been a social construct tool for the advancement of racial violence. 

 

ADL site specifically addresses anti-Semitism. 

 

https://www.adl.org

 

 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, ralis said:

@Nungali

 

Anti-Semitism is used in a very specific context in my posts which means anyone posting racist negative remarks against Jews!

 

Of course !  Jews being Semetic , any racist negative remarks against Jews, by definition , is 'Anti-Semtic' .   My questions about the term need to be read carefully .

 

Further, I was positing from a scientific point of view regarding biological evolutionary processes and not from social constructs.

 

I understand that . But that doesn't mean it does not exist .   For example ... the idea of white-supremacy , although a fallacy , still exists .     I would like to be able to say that 'white supremacy does not exist ..... but unfortunately it does .

 

Herbert Spencer’s so called “survival of the fittest” has been a social construct tool for the advancement of racial violence. 

 

That goes back, at least, to the ancient Greeks , an age old debate - see Plato ;  'Gorgias' and other works  .  Our Modern society is now based on the 'might' rule . ... well, the ruling divisions of State are , but not many of ' The People' .

 

ADL site specifically addresses anti-Semitism. 

 

https://www.adl.org

 

Good !  

 

I think you might be confused about what I wrote  ?  You dont think   I applaud what is happening   from either point of view  do you ?    I certainly dont !     I was questioning why other Semites are now left out of the definition    ( I have since researched and found out though ..... 'interesting' ! ) .

 

Regarding this modern 'censored' and politically motivated new definition of the term leads into the current situation,  The only thing I will comment on that , from an historical point of view,  there have been decisions made by bodies that where not entitled to make them,  movements and migrations 'outside of contract' ,   a whole lot of 'might is right' , decisions made with entitlement ... that where not followed or breached ... to go further I would have to take it from 'history'   to   'current events'    . 

 

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

Aggressive Hulk 

[blue eyed snake]

now that escalated quickly, mr Hulk has a permanent ban

[Nungali]

New Mods now .  Banned returnees  get banned for returning .... like they do on other forums .

 

I have to say he did fool me in the introduction section  ..... he could have kept that up instead of 'dobbing himself in'  .

 

Weird  .