Why were the highest spiritual teachings kept hidden/secret

[Sanity Check]

10 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Those where your highest spiritual traditions  ??? 

 

 

I'm guessing its what most resemble when.

 

Attempting high level spiritual practices.

 

Most don't want to learn the basics.

 

They want to be the special talent who starts out learning advanced techniques.

 

And so learning and practicing the basic fundamentals is usually where the biggest gains can be made.

[Nintendao]

Or like if you see someone wearing a super rad looking pair of denim jeans. Faded and frayed in just the the perfect places. And you ask them, "damn, what's your secret to looking so good?" The answer is plain to see. There is no secret whatsoever. This material has simply put in a lot of work over a long time. There are designers out there who will sell you a type of pre-worn denim, but it usually won't look exactly right, for you.

[Nungali]

here I was thinking board breaking as a 'highest spiritual tradition' analogy was a bit strange . 

 

But no   ... lets move on to 'fashion frayed '    jeans .

 

Or even better :    Its sorta like when you go to visit 'The Big Potato'   .... only to find out it got blown over by wind 

 

 

 

https://prod.static9.net.au/fs/ea79d823-9f9c-482b-88c0-71252d6fac27

[Nungali]

here I was thinking board breaking as a 'highest spiritual tradition' analogy was a bit strange . 

 

But no   ... lets move on to 'fashion frayed '    jeans .

 

Or even better :    Its sorta like when you go to visit 'The Big Potato'   .... only to find out it got blown over by wind 

 

 

 

[johndoe2012]

On 8.2.2025 at 3:23 AM, stirling said:

Agree with you here too, Doc. I think a lot of people that experience "depersonalization" are inches from realization, but don't have the context or training to realize what they are looking at. I wish I knew a way to be helpful to that population. 

 

Energy healing or Taoist energy practices possibly would be helpful. 

[Nintendao]

On 2/9/2025 at 5:01 PM, Nungali said:

'The Big Potato' 

Hehe that pic looks like when Sterlings wipes out on his magic carpet
The rest is just semantics. Like maybe private is a better word than secret. It's no secret what's underneath our clothes, but only in certain circumstances should it be discussed in detail. How much more intimate should our very soul be considered? Then the idea of whether you mean spiritual or magikal. If for whatever reason you don't have a thousand incarnations to work on it like usually happens, then there are lots of safety protocols some of which have already been mentioned. Finally i will say this: Jesus did not keep it a secret and just look what happened to him. I usually don't talk about that though because i like to keep the saviour's name hallowed.

[Lairg]

On 2/9/2025 at 11:07 AM, stirling said:

What is beyond the heart? There is just this moment, happening now. There is nothing beyond that. 

 

In the Hindu tradition there are many levels/planes beyond heart.

 

As for "now",   the concept of parallel universes/timelines might be relevant

 

Earth humans are still finding their place in the Cosmos. 

 

For example:

 

The human genome has three billion base pairs in its DNA, but only about 2% of them encode proteins. The rest seems like pointless bloat   

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-complex-truth-about-junk-dna-20210901/

How does evolution produce 98%  non-functional DNA?

 

There is much to learn about the design parameters of Earth humans

 

 

 

 

Edited February 10 by Lairg

[doc benway]

12 hours ago, Lairg said:

The human genome has three billion base pairs in its DNA, but only about 2% of them encode proteins. The rest seems like pointless bloat   

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-complex-truth-about-junk-dna-20210901/

How does evolution produce 98%  non-functional DNA?

 

There is much to learn about the design parameters of Earth humans

 

I suspect it's similar to our limited understanding of gravity.

We can't figure it out so we had a fudge factor, like dark matter/energy, that makes the equations work.

I suspect everything is there serving a purpose we are yet to understand or discover. 

[doc benway]

On 2/5/2025 at 7:16 PM, idiot_stimpy said:

I would like to hear peoples ideas as to why the highest spiritual teachings were kept hidden/secret from the masses?

 

Then there are those teachings that even if you had access to, they conceal their true meaning unless it is shown to you directly.

 

Another consideration regarding secrecy I'd like to share is an extension of a point in my earlier post, fwiw.

In the Tibetan tradition, one which did keep the "highest" teachings hidden for millennia, enlightenment is far more than the realization of the non-dual nature of being. That very realization can be a trap, which I think is one reason for the secrecy. Such a realization is important but it is simply a drawing back of the curtain, a human experience of the dropping of an obscuration or delusion, albeit an important one; a glimpse  of the real potential of enlightenment but not the full fruition. 

 

This is the place where a lot of practitioners get stuck because it gives one the impression that there is nothing left to do. The truth is that there is everything left to do, meaning that in this particular tradition, from the moment of realization, each and every action in one's life has the possibility of being a manifestation of enlightened heart and mind, here and now, in human form. The proof in the pudding is do we, and those around us, see that happening moment to moment in our lives?

 

Each and every action can be an embodiment of the four immeasurable qualities of empathetic joy, equanimity, compassion, and loving-kindness. This is the fruition of the Three Bodies - the body of emptiness, the body of perfection, and the body of emanation. Realization of our empty yet complete nature of Being is fulfillment of the first, maybe the second of those bodies; but we need to discover the means to bring these qualities into our lives through our relationship to others, that's the third body, the aspect of emanation.

 

My teacher emphasizes exercising this "muscle" through acts of service to others and through channeling our connection to the source through creative expression. These are ways to see if the realization is sound and fruition is actually occurring. Enlightenment is not an on off switch, not a simple change in perspective in my view. At best that can be considered realization. It is an ongoing process that becomes the basis for how we live our lives. Only when these four immeasurable qualities are spontaneously and effortlessly occurring, and affecting those around us in a meaningful way, can we be considered to be on a path to Enlightenment. 

 

At least that's my admittedly flawed interpretation of what is taught by the Tibetan tradition.

Edited February 11 by doc benway

[ralis]

On 2/5/2025 at 6:29 PM, wstein said:

Some teaching reveal powerful things/abilities. They can not be safely used by beginners (altering people's energy, possession, etc). In normal life there is a reason we don't allow you people to handle dangerous stuff (knives, gasoline, driving, etc.) until the are they more mature.

 

Additionally, being exposed to 'advanced' topics without a proper foundation causes emotional and psychological damage. This applies the same to spiritual and non spiritual things.

 

Allowing easy access to the idea of advanced spiritual powers (siddhis) attracts those who would seek power rather than enlightenment to the spiritual path. If pursued, in many cases this power is misused harming others and often these seekers too.

 

“In normal life there is a reason we don’t allow you people.” Who are “we”? You people? In what position of authority are you?

 

 

Edited February 11 by ralis

[dwai]

I think the teachings themselves have not been "secret" but are only limited to those worthy of them. Who can decide about a seeker's worthiness? One who has been authorized to teach can. If they have been authorized, the assumption is that they also have the capacity to discern between casual seekers vs. thrill seekers vs. spiritual crows vs. genuine seekers (there are many more categories, I'm sure). 

[Lairg]

7 hours ago, doc benway said:

The truth is that there is everything left to do,

 

Quite right.  The human is designed to operate in the Cosmos. 

 

The stages of enlightenment are preconditions for cosmic functionality and for acceptance into the relevant peer groups and their joint initiatives

 

 

 

[Nungali]

22 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

In the Hindu tradition there are many levels/planes beyond heart.

 

As for "now",   the concept of parallel universes/timelines might be relevant

 

Earth humans are still finding their place in the Cosmos. 

 

For example:

 

The human genome has three billion base pairs in its DNA, but only about 2% of them encode proteins. The rest seems like pointless bloat   

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-complex-truth-about-junk-dna-20210901/

How does evolution produce 98%  non-functional DNA?

 

There is much to learn about the design parameters of Earth humans

 

 

 

 

 

There is much to learn , and just the other day I read a genetic paper explaining how that 98% of DNA  is NOT  non-functional .  Some of it regulates changes and 'decisions' in the rest of the process which where previously considered 'random' .

[wstein]

8 hours ago, ralis said:

 

“In normal life there is a reason we don’t allow you people.” Who are “we”? You people? In what position of authority are you?

 

Actually that is a typo It should have read "In normal life there is a reason we don’t allow young people"

Does that clear it up or do you want further explanation?

[johndoe2012]

I am still integrating a spiritual awakening I had from taking a high level qigong workshop in 2011.

 

I took responsibility and cleaned out my system so light could enter and settle. 

 

Such workshops was not available in old times and I understand why. 'my' life has been a roller-coaster since but always without a second the Divine has been there for me with support and people coming into my life when they needed to. 

[old3bob]

 

attachment to powers of the mind are not it, but a side benefit of deeper realization and meant for dharmic use, thus to be guarded until then,  

 

[Lairg]

On 2/13/2025 at 5:57 AM, old3bob said:

deeper realization and meant for dharmic use

 

A few hours ago a visitor was driving out of the property but stopped and rolled down the window.

 

She said:  When I thought of (friend she was going to see) the energy line from Sirius was disturbed.

 

So I had her visualize the friend against her solar plexus and immediately she saw his interference with her emotional energies.

 

Dharma requires close attention

 

 

Edited February 15 by Lairg

[blue eyed snake]

On 11-2-2025 at 2:28 PM, doc benway said:

enlightenment is far more than the realization of the non-dual nature of being. That very realization can be a trap, which I think is one reason for the secrecy. Such a realization is important but it is simply a drawing back of the curtain, a human experience of the dropping of an obscuration or delusion, albeit an important one; a glimpse  of the real potential of enlightenment but not the full fruition. 

 

yes

 

like a toddler managing to walk for the first time and feeling like he has reached the top of everything, look how big I am and can walk all by myself.

The most important thing they have to learn is not to kick their friends, those who are still crawling.

 

Last summer I told a friend of mine some things, he responded with: but then you are enlightened...

 

mwah, you know these tiny teeny leds, the sort that's used for tiny christmas decorations? maybe that's me, but only maybe.

In that comparison, enlightened is like the lamp of a light-house.

[silent thunder]

On 2/15/2025 at 7:10 AM, blue eyed snake said:

...

mwah, you know these tiny teeny leds, the sort that's used for tiny christmas decorations? maybe that's me, but only maybe.

In that comparison, enlightened is like the lamp of a light-house.

or as i experience, i may perchance reflect the sources about me... though i am rarely the source.

Edited Sunday at 05:13 PM by silent thunder

[Neirong]

On 09.02.2025 at 1:20 AM, kakapo said:

Hidden in a haystack of false teachings. 

 

The spiritual community is filled to the brim with millions upon millions of teachers, and teachings. 

 

Almost none of these do anything more than placebo.

When you get to a certain level of internal development, you will be able to see the reality for itself, free of delusions and mass psychosis.
 

Think of when the water level in a bar rises, and it pushes you out of a "starting" zone. Once truly awakened, it becomes impossible to go back and live a "normal" mundane existence.
 

Until then, it is all a wild guessing and straw-picking game with about zero chance of any meaningful success.

[Lairg]

30 minutes ago, Neirong said:

When you get to a certain level of internal development, you will be able to see the reality

 

In the Hindu tradition we find The Five Electricities.   If I cannot find them present, then the proposition/dream/vision/video is not real.

 

The Five Electricities provide life force to Existence

 

http://yogananda.com.au/holy_science/holy_science10.html

 

https://archive.org/stream/HolyScience/45849064-Sri-Yukteswar-Giri-The-Holy-Science_djvu.txt

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 03:02 AM by Lairg

[kakapo]

10 hours ago, Neirong said:

When you get to a certain level of internal development, you will be able to see the reality for itself, free of delusions and mass psychosis.
 

Think of when the water level in a bar rises, and it pushes you out of a "starting" zone. Once truly awakened, it becomes impossible to go back and live a "normal" mundane existence.
 

Until then, it is all a wild guessing and straw-picking game with about zero chance of any meaningful success.

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't you the same guy who thinks he can shoot eye lasers, fly faster than the speed of light, give himself brain power injections, open portals to other universes, kill ancient Naga demons, and has a harem of anime elf girls?

 

Or is that another person with a similar name?

 

Don't you guy's also run https://ancientmasters.org/ ?

 

https://ancientmasters.org/school/masters

 

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Neirong

I have been practicing magic and internal arts for multiple incarnations. As a result of this dedicated practice, I could carry the "self" over through life and death. Recovering my true self at a young age allows me to continue the path, which is what I have done. At the age of six, I would spend hours meditating in deep trance states and recovering things from my past. There were no external teachers, no books, and internet access to learn esoteric practices back then.

As I grew older, at around 11, I started visiting paid offline seminars on Fast Reading, Meditation and Sixth Sense. I wanted to get back and recover my core abilities. At 15, I enrolled in full-time training at Internal Arts School, where I trained mostly in Qi Gong. Soon, I reached the limits of what it could offer and went on a search for more profound teaching.

 

At 17, I passed an interview at the school of magic. I have been training intensively every day for many years, climbing through the ranks and obtaining practical abilities (called siddhis). My abilities have been examined and verified in reality. Getting top grades in university while spending 30 mins instead of 100 hours required showed apparent benefits of cultivation and magic.

 

After five years of training, I have started working with students, grading assignments, and participating in research projects. I got access to Closed Door retreats, where all "students" were advanced Adepts with abilities and 10-15+ years of experience in cultivation and magic.

 

It was always interesting for me to find like-minded individuals with common goals in life. But only some had the dedication and capability to keep in the circle. I have organized multiple training projects and groups of skilled adepts. We would work together on specific goals and tasks. Those groups were rapidly shrinking; that is how I found Aeordimm. Many people could not handle our magic circle's peer pressure and intensity. The weaker members were falling out each month, and only us 2 keeping the intense daily work going. Many research projects later, I have been to another closed retreat.

 

Eventually, we realized that we had found a more profound spiritual path in magic unseen by peers and advanced practitioners. The research conducted over a decade has given fruits. I quit the school, where I could have been a senior teacher, enjoyed a decent income and status, and embarked on a journey deeper into the Ancient Arts.

 

 

 

 

I have a friend who went to their discord and asked if he dedicated 30 years of his life to their teachings what he could expect to gain, and all they could say was enhanced visualization ability. 

 

I mean at $120.00 per month that sounds like a good deal to me!

 

Anywho thank you for the advice.

 

Edited Tuesday at 01:16 PM by kakapo

[Neirong]

2 hours ago, kakapo said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't you the same guy who thinks he can

I don't think or assume. I have certain abilities and powers that are beyond the understanding of a regular, untrained person.
 

If you cannot even do an astral projection, that is, fully extract yourself from your physical vessel on will, there is nothing further to discuss in those topics.
 

Layman talking about esoteric practices and making assumptions is not interesting.

 

2 hours ago, kakapo said:

have a friend who went to their discord

The one who claimed to be the most outstanding talent that would dedicate 12 hours a day to training?
Everyone knew at a glance that he was retarded and delusional and would most likely fail the training program in the first months.
 

Your "friend," who was named "Iloveturtles" or "Ilovecoffee," had significant issues with his brain, mental development, and essential ethical conduct. I would say that he had signs of mental degradation and traces of a curse that would curb any possibility of spiritual growth in a lifetime.

 

2 hours ago, kakapo said:

if he dedicated 30 years of his life to their teachings what he could expect to gain

We have a training project for serious people, not a schizo cult for larper "What if 30 years in the future".

The results with those who train are fairly good and transformative after a single year. 

 

2 hours ago, kakapo said:

that sounds like a good deal to me!

It is hard to find a teacher when you have an inbred Western consumerism mind. Just to be clear, I would not bother teaching you or your friends even if you paid $12,000 per month each.

 

2 hours ago, kakapo said:

thank you for the advice.

The advice is for those who can benefit from it.

Edited Tuesday at 02:35 PM by Neirong

[Sherman Krebbs]

4 hours ago, Neirong said:

I don't think or assume. I have certain abilities and powers that are beyond the understanding of a regular, untrained person.
 

If you cannot even do an astral projection, that is, fully extract yourself from your physical vessel on will, there is nothing further to discuss in those topics.
 

Layman talking about esoteric practices and making assumptions is not interesting.

 

Also having secret abilities and powers, I have found it is best to wear a cape.  Wearing a cape is a great way to let everyone know that you have super secret super abilities.  I also wear my underwear outside of my pants, that way I can better exude myself into the ether, without unnecessarily constraining my vessels.  Like you, I have no patience for people who do not understand this practice. I pity them for their ignorance, really.  They are ants, and I, with my cape blowing in the wind and whitie-tighties radiating in the sunlight, am the sole keeper of the true power of the universe.    

 

[Nungali]

Mr Krebbs ,  how much to join your site , get lessons and a uniform ?    Do you have  invisible subscribers as well ?