depth of evil was not underestimated

[old3bob]

4 hours ago, johndoe2012 said:

From Flight of the Garuda by Keith Dowman on the invasion by Communist in Tibet

 

 

ok, but a certain point or growth needs to reached for that lesson to give such results, for if students in a monastery or householders in town are mowed down or turned before that point then its a no go...

Edited Monday at 02:21 PM by old3bob

[stirling]

6 hours ago, old3bob said:

Dharma equals universal, spiritual law,  thus not law for suiting whatever designs individuals or  just a human perspective may want to fit it into.   

 

I can get behind that, though I would't use the word dharma for it. I just call that reality. Reality is what there is - it is what is happening in this moment. We all have our story about reality and our "self', but that isn't reality. That story is our karma. Resistance to reality causes struggle/suffering. Acceptance of reality as it is and without mental resistance is equanimity, or "being in the Tao".

 

That doesn't mean you can't have an intention for how things might be next, or act in this moment in movement toward that intention. 

[stirling]

6 hours ago, johndoe2012 said:

Always be kind = Mr nice guy which unfortunately doesn't work in abusive relationships where boundaries need to set and enforced. 

 

If one thinks this way - always be kind - lessons will be learned towards a more balanced approach in my experience. 

People are unkind out of fear. Those with no fear are never unkind. If someone is unkind to you, realizing that their actions are based in fear can be fuel for compassion. This doesn't mean that you have to take the punishment that someone metes out, but it might mean that you gain deeper insight into the nature of struggle/suffering by understanding their actions.

 

You can still be kind when telling someone that what they are doing isn't going to be appropriate with you in the mix. Being firm with someone who is being abusive, done from compassion, IS a kindness. 

[johndoe2012]

4 hours ago, stirling said:

You can still be kind when telling someone that what they are doing isn't going to be appropriate with you in the mix. Being firm with someone who is being abusive, done from compassion, IS a kindness. 

 

Good we have you here, stirling ❤️

 

I just had a synchronistic event that made me realize something about love. It should be freely given with no fear, no expectation of something in return. 

 

🙏🙏🙏

Edited Monday at 08:41 PM by johndoe2012

[stirling]

1 hour ago, johndoe2012 said:

Good we have you here, stirling ❤️

 

Thank you. 🙏

 

1 hour ago, johndoe2012 said:

I just had a synchronistic event that made me realize something about love. It should be freely given with no fear, no expectation of something in return. 

 

🙏🙏🙏

 

I love when that happens! Absolutely agreed. A further refinement - fear and expectation eventually never arise where action arises out of Prajna (Wisdom) - or "Right Action". 

 

Quote

With nothing to attain, bodhisattvas rely on prajna-paramita, and their minds are without hindrance.

 

They are without hindrance, and therefore without fear. - Buddha, Heart Sutra

 

[johndoe2012]

15 minutes ago, stirling said:

 

Thank you. 🙏

 

 

I love when that happens! Absolutely agreed. A further refinement - fear and expectation eventually never arise where action arises out of Prajna (Wisdom) - or "Right Action". 

 

 

 

Well of course, since expectation is attachment to outcome which is suffering. 

 

Fear however is learned behavior, I need to unlearn it. Slowly but surely. 

[stirling]

28 minutes ago, johndoe2012 said:

Well of course, since expectation is attachment to outcome which is suffering. 

 

Fear however is learned behavior, I need to unlearn it. Slowly but surely. 

 

Excelsior!

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, johndoe2012 said:

Fear however is learned behavior

 

I have observed that fear is a permission for adverse interference - thereby voiding attempts at protection..

 

No wonder fear is taught so extensively in human societies

 

 

 

 

[old3bob]

 

I'd say fear is not all learned, an x amount is instinctive and in many cases fast acting that is meant to protect until a better situation or understanding is had...

 

[johndoe2012]

8 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

I'd say fear is not all learned, an x amount is instinctive and in many cases fast acting that is meant to protect until a better situation or understanding is had...

 

 

Learned might be a bad word used. I put the issue through a healing protocol which revealed childhood unconscious issues about never been loved so a look into the eyes of a person triggered a fear of emptiness which is ego death. 

 

I knew why the Divine set me up with this person, it was to clear up an obstruction to realization - fearless love. 

[old3bob]

 

per surrender?

 

[johndoe2012]

45 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

per surrender?

 

 

Per surrender what? 

 

The last paragraph? 

 

No, I use Divine magic to setup situations for myself. Whatever the direction the Divine throws at me I will follow. You can call it surrender.

 

Quite painful but after a healing session then the issue has disappeared and I am on to next growth task 😊

[old3bob]

 

trying to appease evil or make a deal with it is fools play...for it can never stop destructing,  and when wolves are wearing temporary sheep like clothing or fancy suits they can never stop devouring!

 

 

[doc benway]

A time to appease,

A time to destroy

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:54 PM by doc benway

[old3bob]

6 hours ago, doc benway said:

A time to appease,

A time to destroy

 

 

 

 

I don't agree,  that is different from "a time for war and a time for peace" (peace is not appeasing evil)

Edited Thursday at 02:06 AM by old3bob

[old3bob]

extrapolate from the 60's and early 70's to 2025...X100

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 02:18 AM by old3bob

[johndoe2012]

On 7.4.2025 at 11:17 PM, stirling said:

"Right Action".

 

In direct experience we cannot find right action, nor wrong action. 

 

All we can say is there is a display of movement and stillness, maybe even this is saying too much. 

 

We cannot find any seif nor doer of action. These are concepts, then we fight the concepts, like Don Quixote fighting windmills 😅

[Lairg]

13 minutes ago, johndoe2012 said:

We cannot find any seif nor doer of action

 

The Hindu concept of Atma may be relevant

 

 

[old3bob]

 

Its kind of amazing that so many people (many millions in the U.S. and elsewhere after countless examples of suffering have happened over thousands of years and also about every day during that time) who haven't figured out that evil does not care about human sensibilities, concerns or life'....for there is no bottom to its bottomless pit of malicious inhumanity and greed!